2,4-DiNitroPhenol [DNP]

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Credit to the gods that wrote this... :)

HOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html (2,4-Dinitrophenol | Technology Transfer Network Air Toxics Web site | US EPA) reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

Cyberiron.com reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don?t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you?re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

Biosource A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know?it?s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as?2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out?DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure?"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it?s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer?fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.

"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it?s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity?"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP?s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates?or disrupts?cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol? DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect?"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation ? 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.
 
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Fck guys.. I don’t know how I’m going to tolerate this for another 20 days lmao...I’m the person that hates feeling “hot” and “sticky” which is why I hate hot humid summers... I literally feel like shit right now.

I'm also in a 700 or so cal deficit, plus cardio every other day, taking about 525mg powder one per day in the evening. I'm sweating like crazy when I sleep, I'm a bit warm during the day and I have occasional headaches a few hours after I take it. Sometimes I'm tired but not constantly. Other than that I feel fine.

When you say you're feeling like shit, what do you mean?

Are you getting your electrolytes replaced? Taking anything else besides the DNP? Eating too many carbs?

If you feel that bad maybe you should consider dialing back a bit.
 
I'm also in a 700 or so cal deficit, plus cardio every other day, taking about 525mg powder one per day in the evening. I'm sweating like crazy when I sleep, I'm a bit warm during the day and I have occasional headaches a few hours after I take it. Sometimes I'm tired but not constantly. Other than that I feel fine.

When you say you're feeling like shit, what do you mean?

Are you getting your electrolytes replaced? Taking anything else besides the DNP? Eating too many carbs?

If you feel that bad maybe you should consider dialing back a bit.
I’m not really get any other sides besides exactly what you listed. Funny, we both seem to react well to DNP :)

I just hate that feeling lmao... guess it could be much worse.

But yeah, I definitely feel/look bloated. But weight is dropping... we’ll see at the end of the run.

I think I am eating too many carbs.. going to try to aim for <140 starting tmmrw.

But tbh.. I’m not taking any electrolyte replacements. Just water.. maybe I should buy a pack of Powerade zero calories.
 
I’m not really get any other sides besides exactly what you listed. Funny, we both seem to react well to DNP :)

Yup, provided, of course, we're both still alive in a few weeks!

But tbh.. I’m not taking any electrolyte replacements. Just water.. maybe I should buy a pack of Powerade zero calories.

Yeah and drinking tons of water will also drain your electrolytes. Definitely get the Powerade Zero. And some V8 in case it gets really bad quickly. Keep a bottle or two of Powerade Zero at your bedside. Pineapple helps; it's sugar but it's also very low calorie. And yummy.
 
Guys.. I don’t know if I can continue after today... I feel very different than the past 5 days. It’s almost as if I’m on the verge of passing out... body giving off a cool feel while I’m burning inside. Very nauseous today. Not sure what’s going on, but, if I’m like this for the whole day, I’m going to call it quits... don’t wanna die this young lmao.

@Kracken any inputs brother? Seems like upset stomach is mixed with nausea. Had a pear, feeling a bit better but I think something is off today and I already took my 500 mg dose for today.
 
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Just took an antacid as I think I was having acid reflux. My throat was burning after my DNP dose. Feeling better now than this morning. I think the fructose in the pear helped a lot. We’ll see what happens.
 
You sound like you're building up to an unpleasant event.

I also don't think it's wise to not be incorporating plenty of electrolytes...

I'm guessing you haven't taken your temp from the info you're posting too.

Stop taking it.
 
@Kracken any inputs brother? Seems like upset stomach is mixed with nausea. Had a pear, feeling a bit better but I think something is off today and I already took my 500 mg dose for today.

My first thought is that if you think you should stop, then stop. There is no point in being a dead hero, and no one will criticize you for stopping. Not that it should matter to you what others think, because it does not.

As far as what you report, it may be two separate issues I'll list below, but it could be something more serious. These are just my thoughts.

I have seen people complain about acid reflux / heartburn. I know of a source that considered mixing some extra ingredient in to try to minimize that but ultimately he didn't, because his users didn't want him to. People like to be able to weigh their caps.

The woozyness in your head could very well be low blood sugar. You're on a pretty deep calorie deficit and you have said you're not keeping your electrolytes up. At one point I started to feel very light headed. Fortunately I was at the grocery store at the time. I looked at every candybar to see which had the least calories. Peppermint Patty won with about 150, compared to the others that were all over 200. Anyhow I ate that and felt *much* better *very* quickly (of course I don't normally eat candy - I just needed a quick sugar fix). If some fruit made you feel better than that may be supporting evidence. Really, get some pineapple and blueberries and bananas and some V8 and Powerade Zero.

Ultimately I'm just some guy on the Internet. I could be anyone, so you need to trust your instincts rather than some random Internet guy. Not that I mind offering my thoughts, I don't mind at all but you're responsible for your health and you have to decide what to do.

If you feel that this is harming you then either dial back your dosage or stop entirely. Remember that this stuff builds up over days; maybe you're taking too much. If you want you could always try again in a few weeks. There is no gold medal waiting for you if you tough it out.

There is one more thing you could do if you're as paranoid as I am. You could put a note in your wallet with your insurance card explaining what you're doing, so in case of extreme emergency first responders and ER personnel will know what's going on. But really, if you feel so bad that you think you might end up in the ER then just stop. I have considered this but not actually done it, although I probably should.

Let us know what you decide to do and good luck!
 
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You sound like you're building up to an unpleasant event.

I also don't think it's wise to not be incorporating plenty of electrolytes...

I'm guessing you haven't taken your temp from the info you're posting too.

Stop taking it.

Surprisingly my temperatures consistently been around 36.3-36.5. I’m tolerating the heat very well. Picking up a case of 24 Gatorade g2 (50 calories per bottle) or a case of Powerade zero, depending on what’s in stock.

I appreciate the advice guys. I’m definitely feeling better now but I’m not sure if I will continue or not.

I think I’m just blaming every problem on the DNP?
 
I think I’m just blaming every problem on the DNP?

Glad you're still with us and feeling better.

Blaming every problem on DNP? Well look at it this way. The DNP may be causing every problem. It's known to be harsh.

If it's not, then something else is. Maybe you're coming down with something.

Either way, maybe it's not the best time for a DNP run.
 
Glad you're still with us and feeling better.

Blaming every problem on DNP? Well look at it this way. The DNP may be causing every problem. It's known to be harsh.

If it's not, then something else is. Maybe you're coming down with something.

Either way, maybe it's not the best time for a DNP run.
Thanks man. Yeah, I agree. I think 6 days was enough at 500 mg for now. I’ve dropped over 5 lbs and I can assume I’m holding onto water right now too. I think I’ll stop it after today. With its 36 hour half life, I can assume it will be entirely out of me in 3-4 days? Sound about right?
 
Thanks man. Yeah, I agree. I think 6 days was enough at 500 mg for now. I’ve dropped over 5 lbs and I can assume I’m holding onto water right now too. I think I’ll stop it after today. With its 36 hour half life, I can assume it will be entirely out of me in 3-4 days? Sound about right?

Discretion is the better part of valor.

A pound a day is pretty amazing. I'm assuming you're a good bit younger then I am, so you have a naturally faster metabolism.

I don't know about "entirely out of you" but if you did 7 days, the first at 250mg and the next 6 at 500mg, and you stop, the predicted concentration (assuming a 36 hour half life) will fall to about 201mg after 4 days. After 7 days (from the stop day) it will be about 50mg. After 14 days about 3mg. After 17 days it will be below 0.2mg.
 
Kracken, what was your final verdict on the pellets? Would you order again?

I was going to post a review in several days when I'm all done, but since you asked...

Based on my logs and my comparison to caps from another source, I don't think the Fert Club stuff is underdosed. I felt about the same using FC "pellets" as I do taking the caps from another source. Those caps are about 250mg of powder and I weigh each and every one before use. So far I have seen about the same results between FC stuff and the caps.

Also the "pellets" are small and easy to swallow, don't make much of a mess and allow someone to pick a dosage that works for them with good granularity.

That said, I think it is overpriced. I think it's best use if as an add on to caps from another source. For example, if you have 250mg caps but want to take 350mg, you can take two pellets with one cap. And if you want 500mg per day it's annoying taking 10 tablets.

So overall yes, I would order them again but they would not be my first choice.
 
Damn guys... now I know what people mean when they talk about “cravings” on DNP.. it’s been two days in a row that I’ve ate 3300-3400 calories (after cardio). My maintenance is around 2600-2700 calories. I need to get my shit together.. no point in taking DNP if I’m going to eat like shit. If I binge tomorrow, I’m coming off for good.
 
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