2,4-DiNitroPhenol [DNP]

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HOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html (2,4-Dinitrophenol | Technology Transfer Network Air Toxics Web site | US EPA) reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

Cyberiron.com reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don?t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you?re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

Biosource A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know?it?s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as?2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out?DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure?"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it?s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer?fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.

"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it?s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity?"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP?s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates?or disrupts?cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol? DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect?"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation ? 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.
 
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I suspect much of this was water, at least if the math applies (and with DNP it often seems that math does not apply). Ten pounds = ~3,500 * 10 = 35,000 calories. To burn that many calories in 5 days you need to be in a 7,000 calorie per day deficit.



Very disciplined. What DNP dosage?
200 for 3 days then 400 taken in the morning. There's definitely a lot of water weight being lost (muscles loot flat as fuck). I'm eating between 1500-2000 cal on a nat3ty TDEE of 3000 and drinking at least a gallon of water a day. Pure Protein bars have been a big help with cravings (180 cal / 21g protein) - they give. Me a sugar fix but contain mostly sugar alcohols so I can crush one in the middle of the night and not feel bad. I'll usually eat a bowl of cheerios with a banana for lunch to keep from feeling like absolute shit do to not getting many carbs throughout the rest of the day.
 
The present study investigates the applicability of the chemical analysis of wastewater to assess the use of doping substances by the general population and amateur athletes. To this end, an analytical methodology that can identify and quantify a list of 15 substances from the groups of anabolic steroids, weight loss products, and masking agents in wastewater has been developed.

The method uses solid phase extraction to increase the detection sensitivity of the target analytes, expected to be present at very low concentrations (ng L−1 range), and decrease possible matrix interferences. Instrumental analysis is performed by liquid chromatography coupled to high-resolution mass spectrometry, allowing data acquisition in both full scan and tandem MS mode.

The method has been successfully validated at two concentration levels (50 and 200 ng L−1) with limits of quantification ranging between 0.7 and 60 ng L−1, intra- and inter-day precision expressed as relative standard deviation below 15%, procedural recoveries between 60 and 160% and matrix effects ranging from 45 to 121%. The stability of the analytes in wastewater was evaluated at different storage temperatures illustrating the importance of freezing the samples immediately after collection.

The application of the method to 24-h composite wastewater samples collected at the entrance of three wastewater treatment plants and one pumping station while different sport events were taking place revealed the presence in wastewater, and hence the use, of the weight loss substances ephedrine, norephedrine, methylhexanamine, and 2,4-dinitrophenol. The use of these stimulants was visible just prior and during the event days and in greater amounts than anabolic steroids or masking agents.

Causanilles A, Nordmann V, Vughs D, et al. Wastewater-based tracing of doping use by the general population and amateur athletes. Analytical and bioanalytical chemistry 2018. Wastewater-based tracing of doping use by the general population and amateur athletes
 
The application of the method to 24-h composite wastewater samples collected at the entrance of three wastewater treatment plants and one pumping station while different sport events were taking place revealed the presence in wastewater, and hence the use, of the weight loss substances ephedrine, norephedrine, methylhexanamine, and 2,4-dinitrophenol. The use of these stimulants was visible just prior and during the event days and in greater amounts than anabolic steroids or masking agents.

This reminds me of a study I read where water from swimming pools was analyzed to see how many people drink diet soda. BTW, given what's found in public swimming pools, I won't swim in them.

But, more on point, this gives us an idea that DNP use is probably more common than many people think, which I assume is the reason Dr. Scally posted this.
 
Currently on 2 capsules, 500 mg, of dinitro DNP (250 mg x 2). No crazy sides. It’s only day 2, but I handle DNP quite well (have done a cycle a while back). I definitely do feel hot inside but sweating isn’t that bad yet. I’m not going to increase the dose at all. I think 500 mg is the perfect dose for me. I do notice I wake up in the mornings with wet spots on my bed and on my body. Nothing too bad.

Following my same workout routine as I was before the DNP. I do notice I’m a bit more tired during my workouts but I’m still pushing myself 7 days a week. I’m still doing my 20-30 mins HIIT after every workout. Dropped 2 lbs the first day. I did eat a lot of carbs and calories for some reason today which I’m pissed off about. It’s no joke when they say carbs make you hot. Literally 5 mins after eating anything with carbs, it’s like I get a fever instantly... As weird as it sounds, it’s actually a nice sensation lmao..

Anyways, plan is to run 500 mg for 25 days. Need to lose 7-10 lbs of pure fat so I hope that’s doable.
 
Day 3 down...

Man.. couldn’t sleep last night... was feeling hot throughout the whole night when it was -13 degrees here.. I was in shorts, no shirt. I wasn’t sweating per se, but there were wet spots everywhere on my bed... was feeling hot. Was tolerable, but definitely didn’t let me sleep.. day 4 today; still on 500 mg... I don’t think I’ll be increasing it. Will ride out the 500 mg for 25 days. Down 3 lbs since day 1. Definitely feel leaner already lmao..
 
Day 3 down...

Man.. couldn’t sleep last night... was feeling hot throughout the whole night when it was -13 degrees here.. I was in shorts, no shirt. I wasn’t sweating per se, but there were wet spots everywhere on my bed... was feeling hot. Was tolerable, but definitely didn’t let me sleep..

What wakes me up in the unpleasantness of sleeping on sweat drenched sheets! I'm glad I bought a mattress protector before I started this because I am soaking the sheets every night. I could never do this if I didn't live alone.

And I open a window when its cold. Last night it was 60 inside, 43 outside and I actually turned on the AC for just a bit.

day 4 today; still on 500 mg... I don’t think I’ll be increasing it. Will ride out the 500 mg for 25 days. Down 3 lbs since day 1. Definitely feel leaner already lmao..

In case you (or anyone else reading this) does not know, at 500mg per day, after three days you'll still be seeing the concentration in your body continue to increase for the next 10 plus days before it peaks. See this chart and be very careful!

https://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Is-this-DNP-in-bloodstream-chart-legit-m5006985.aspx
 
What wakes me up in the unpleasantness of sleeping on sweat drenched sheets! I'm glad I bought a mattress protector before I started this because I am soaking the sheets every night. I could never do this if I didn't live alone.

And I open a window when its cold. Last night it was 60 inside, 43 outside and I actually turned on the AC for just a bit.



In case you (or anyone else reading this) does not know, at 500mg per day, after three days you'll still be seeing the concentration in your body continue to increase for the next 10 plus days before it peaks. See this chart and be very careful!

https://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Is-this-DNP-in-bloodstream-chart-legit-m5006985.aspx

Thanks for the chart bro. By looking at it for my dose, I’ll peak at around 1351.. what are your thoughts? Last time I ran DNP (from a different but respectable source), I did 500 mg for around 15 days without any problems.
 
Also, I don’t know how I’m eating 170-220 g of carbs while on DNP lol.. I gotta say though... carbs ain’t as bad as some people make it out to be while on DNP. Don’t get me wrong, I instantly get “hot” when I eat anything with carbs. Lasts a few minutes - hours and I’m back to normal temp again. My diet has been IIFYM even before this DNP run. However, I do get 190-200 g of protein per day minimum. The rest is just fats and carbs, whatever is available at the house. Calories is about 2000-2200 daily on this DNP run.
 
I'm not an expert, I'm on my first DNP run myself.

However, I can tell you:

Thanks for the chart bro. By looking at it for my dose, I’ll peak at around 1351.. what are your thoughts?

Around a concentration of about 1,350 is where I really started to feel this stuff. I sometimes get headaches a few hours after taking it and every night I have been waking up several times a night on a sweat drenched sheet. Tylenol helps with the headaches and they (so far) have been gone by morning.

I take about 540mg daily (my source over filled his 250mg caps) at about 7:00PM each day. So, according to my spreadsheet, 12 hours after I take it the predicted concentration is just below 1,100mg and I feel fine all day, although just a little warm if someone turns the heat in the office up (one jackass likes it at 71). This is what I want, to keep the sides hidden while at work.

Last time I ran DNP (from a different but respectable source), I did 500 mg for around 15 days without any problems.

Be very careful when you change sources, no matter how respectable. Even when you get a new batch from the same source, be very careful. Never ever assume that source B will have stuff that was the same as source A. The old stuff could have been underdosed, the new stuff could be overdosed, or, God forbid, both. Remember also that switching from powder to crystals is a big difference.

I weigh each and every cap. A size "0" cap can hold one heck of a lot more than 250mg. The source does not mix anything else in there and if he did, I wouldn't use it. The risk of a bad mix and an overdosed cap is just too high. I would prefer he use a smaller cap even if he can barely fit 200mg in there, but he didn't see it that way.

I have been told I'm paranoid, but hey, I'm alive.
 
I'm not an expert, I'm on my first DNP run myself.

However, I can tell you:



Around a concentration of about 1,350 is where I really started to feel this stuff. I sometimes get headaches a few hours after taking it and every night I have been waking up several times a night on a sweat drenched sheet. Tylenol helps with the headaches and they (so far) have been gone by morning.

I take about 540mg daily (my source over filled his 250mg caps) at about 7:00PM each day. So, according to my spreadsheet, 12 hours after I take it the predicted concentration is just below 1,100mg and I feel fine all day, although just a little warm if someone turns the heat in the office up (one jackass likes it at 71). This is what I want, to keep the sides hidden while at work.



Be very careful when you change sources, no matter how respectable. Even when you get a new batch from the same source, be very careful. Never ever assume that source B will have stuff that was the same as source A. The old stuff could have been underdosed, the new stuff could be overdosed, or, God forbid, both. Remember also that switching from powder to crystals is a big difference.

I weigh each and every cap. A size "0" cap can hold one heck of a lot more than 250mg. The source does not mix anything else in there and if he did, I wouldn't use it. The risk of a bad mix and an overdosed cap is just too high. I would prefer he use a smaller cap even if he can barely fit 200mg in there, but he didn't see it that way.

I have been told I'm paranoid, but hey, I'm alive.
Thanks for the info brother. Looking forward to seeing your results.

The only thing really bothering me right now besides the random sleepless nights, is this mental “fog”. Seems like I’m having trouble focusing and thinking straight. Maybe it’s the lethargy affective me mentally?

I take my 2 pills together at around 1-2 pm. Maybe I should start taking them at nights?
 
Also, I don’t know how I’m eating 170-220 g of carbs while on DNP lol.. I gotta say though... carbs ain’t as bad as some people make it out to be while on DNP. Don’t get me wrong, I instantly get “hot” when I eat anything with carbs. Lasts a few minutes - hours and I’m back to normal temp again. My diet has been IIFYM even before this DNP run. However, I do get 190-200 g of protein per day minimum. The rest is just fats and carbs, whatever is available at the house. Calories is about 2000-2200 daily on this DNP run.

What's your sedentary TDEE?

I have read lots about how many carbs to eat. Some say a ration of 33% 33% 33% is ideal while some people like carbs to be nearly 50%. I don't know what's best, so you have to do what works for you.

Personally, I try not to overdo the carbs. My thinking is if I dump sugar into my bloodstream my body will be busy burning that up instead of stored fat, thus wasting time. I don't want to be using DNP any longer than necessary so I try to safely maximize its impact. I don't know if my theory holds up but unless I hear otherwise, and even if I do, I'll stick to being cautious with carbs.

I'll continue this for five more days, including today. That will make a total of 25 days. The first 5 of those were ramp up. I did 200mg for three days, then 250mg for two days, then 300mg for a day, then 400mg for a day and finally 500mg. So the extra 5 days are to make up for the first 5 days. Yup, I'm paranoid.
 
Thanks for the info brother. Looking forward to seeing your results.

Me too! I'll post them. And you're welcome!

The only thing really bothering me right now besides the random sleepless nights, is this mental “fog”. Seems like I’m having trouble focusing and thinking straight. Maybe it’s the lethargy affective me mentally?

Hm, that would bother me too. Did this happen to you on your last run from the other source? Make sure you're replacing your electrolytes. V8 (yuck) and Powerade Zero are good for this. You can use a little pineapple, blueberries and banana to but go easy, fruit is sugar.

I take my 2 pills together at around 1-2 pm. Maybe I should start taking them at nights?

For me, the maximum impact seems to be 5 hours after I take it. Maybe I get brain fog and just sleep through it. Sorry I can't help much with that one.
 
4 days in (today is day 5). I’m down 5 lbs even though I’m drinking a minimum of 3-4 L of water a day. Yesterday’s slee was much better, but still very uncomfortable due to the wet spots on my sheets.

Im looking very flat and small today though... although weight is dropping, I don’t see a significant change in body composition. Its still too early I guess. Anyways, will keep everyone posted.
 
Fck guys.. I don’t know how I’m going to tolerate this for another 20 days lmao...I’m the person that hates feeling “hot” and “sticky” which is why I hate hot humid summers... I literally feel like shit right now.
 
Fck guys.. I don’t know how I’m going to tolerate this for another 20 days lmao...I’m the person that hates feeling “hot” and “sticky” which is why I hate hot humid summers... I literally feel like shit right now.

What is your TDEE?

Are you taking crystal or powder DNP?

You're eating ~2000 calories and taking 500mg of DNP... I'd probably feel horrible too.
 
What is your TDEE?

Are you taking crystal or powder DNP?

You're eating ~2000 calories and taking 500mg of DNP... I'd probably feel horrible too.
Hey bro. Tdee is about 2700. It’s dinitro powder (250 mg caps). So assuming it’s the equivalent of 200 mg crystal.

The reason I’m aiming for ~2000 calories is to maximize fat loss.. if I’m going to put my self through hell, might as well make it worth it.. it would suck if I don’t reach my goal on this run which is 7-10 lbs of fat.
 
The reason I’m aiming for ~2000 calories is to maximize fat loss

Lol... You're on DNP for a planned 25 day cycle in a 700 calorie deficit plus the deficit the DNP is creating, so you're in a several thousand calorie deficit. I would consider fat loss maximized!

You're only a few days in too...

Is the TDEE including any extra cardio you've picked up during this?
 
Lol... You're on DNP for a planned 25 day cycle in a 700 calorie deficit plus the deficit the DNP is creating, so you're in a several thousand calorie deficit. I would consider fat loss maximized!

You're only a few days in too...

Is the TDEE including any extra cardio you've picked up during this?
Yeah. It’s including my 7 day routine and 20 mins of cardio after each workout. I work from home, so my active level is sedentary if you don’t include the workouts and cardio. I usually eat around 2400 calories with about 200 calories worth of cardio.
 
4 days in (today is day 5). I’m down 5 lbs even though I’m drinking a minimum of 3-4 L of water a day.
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I don’t see a significant change in body composition. Its still too early I guess. Anyways, will keep everyone posted.

Dude, it's been 4 days. Patience. I can tell you that after nearly three weeks I'm still waiting for a significant change in body composition, despite the scale falling. Not sure why, but people say DNP bloats you and you look and feel better several days after stopping. So let's be patient.
 
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