2,4-DiNitroPhenol [DNP]

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Credit to the gods that wrote this... :)

HOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html (2,4-Dinitrophenol | Technology Transfer Network Air Toxics Web site | US EPA) reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

Cyberiron.com reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don?t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you?re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

Biosource A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know?it?s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as?2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out?DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure?"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it?s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer?fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.

"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it?s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity?"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP?s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates?or disrupts?cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol? DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect?"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation ? 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.
 
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And any suggestion DNP is “GEAR” is
ludircuous.
Again... semantics. You pick and choose what was said and disregard the rest. Let me refresh your memory since you seem to have deliberately ignored the whole comment and picked and chose what you wanted to attack:
Yes, I know DNP isn’t a steroid, but it’s part of the underground lifestyle for some.
Maybe you should tell Bill Roberts to get his act together. Who the hell does he think he is writing this article for steroid users? Better yet, give MB shit for having the ludicrous notion to put this poison on a STEROID (aka “gear”) forum :rolleyes:
 
As a PESTICIDE it’s listed as a registered POISION @Eman
take a look a your friendly neighborhood
coop and check out what’s on the bag
POISION!

Not for human consumption goes wo saying yet some must learn the hard way, as this poor gal did.

And any suggestion DNP is “GEAR” is
ludircuous.

And the notion DNP can be used safely is
as a bariatric agent is NUTS also.

I implore you to cease promoting this
compound a bariatric agent unless you can hold the hands of those you have
“helped”!

JIM

It's use as a pesticide does not equate to it being a registered poison. Once more, where is it registered?

Further, how dare you post that I've promoted this compound, I've done nothing more than fight against the bullshit fear mongering that individuals like yourself have posted, which are based almost entirely on anecdotes, so individuals can decide FOR THEMSELVES. Not to mention the fact that the other poster DID NOT reference DNP as a steroid, he merely indicated it was amongst the underground drugs used in BB... Do you even read what you respond to with your incoherent posts? It's mind numbing.

I've defended you in the past when you've based posts on a lack of evidence and fact, I couldn't be more disappointed that you'd make an accusation to me like this and included more rhetoric which lacks a base of evidence. Poor form, even for you.

I implore you to refrain from entering into dnp threads in the future. You have nothing to offer aside from fear mongering aka nothing to offer at all. If you come back, come back with EVIDENCE to support your claims... Which, up to this point, have been complete horse shit.
 
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The whole “it’s a poison” thing is really a facile write off. Alcohol is a poison, water is a poison if consumed in large enough quantities, oxygen likewise (hence why we consume antioxidants), same with carbohydrates, butter, literally fucking anything has a LD50. And yeah it’s a lot lower for DNP, same with sleeping pills.

Sometimes people need to get a check on their emotions before they try to speak.
 
It's use as a pesticide does not equate to it being a registered poison. Once more, where is it registered?

Further, how dare you post that I've promoted this compound, I've done nothing more than fight against the bullshit fear mongering that individuals like yourself have posted, which are based almost entirely on anecdotes, so individuals can decide FOR THEMSELVES. Not to mention the fact that the other poster DID NOT reference DNP as a steroid, he merely indicated it was amongst the underground drugs used in BB... Do you even read what you respond to with your incoherent posts? It's mind numbing.

I've defended you in the past when you've based posts on a lack of evidence and fact, I couldn't be more disappointed that you'd make an accusation to me like this and included more rhetoric which lacks a base of evidence. Poor form, even for you.

I implore you to refrain from entering into dnp threads in the future. You have nothing to offer aside from fear mongering aka nothing to offer at all. If you come back, come back with EVIDENCE to support your claims... Which, up to this point, have been complete horse shit.
Weight loss drug made from war chemicals gets deadly new reach online
 

There's a number of inaccurate points in that article, amongst some that have truth. There is some understandable bias that is consistent amongst most DNP articles. DNP was never banned by the FDA. Even if someone wanted to jump to the conclusion that it was banned, which is wasn't, you wouldn't be referring to DNP at all... It was a derivative of DNP that was being used, Dinitrocresol, which was FIVE TIMES more potent and being sold at the same dosage that DNP was. The only comment that the FDA made about it was that it was a toxic substance, which is completely accurate, but it was never banned. As a matter of fact, there were other drugs that were looking people left and right around this time that the FDA didn't ban either because they didn't really have that capability.

This is why I don't understand where DNP is registered as a poison if it's never gone through the FDA and been formally banned, even if it was.. DNP was not the substance being used when all of this was going on.

Further, it's use in explosives is true but misleading... Salt is used in explosives too.
 
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There's a number of inaccurate points in that article, amongst some that have truth. There is some understandable bias that is consistent amongst most DNP articles. DNP was never banned by the FDA. Even if someone wanted to jump to the conclusion that it was banned, which is wasn't, you wouldn't be referring to DNP at all... It was a derivative of DNP that was being used, Dinitrocresol, which was FIVE TIMES more potent and being sold at the same dosage that DNP was. The only comment that the FDA made about it was that it was a toxic substance, which is completely accurate, but it was never banned. As a matter of fact, there were other drugs that were looking people left and right around this time that the FDA didn't ban either because they didn't really have that capability.

This is why I don't understand where DNP is registered as a poison if it's never gone through the FDA and been formally banned, even if it was.. DNP was not the substance being used when all of this was going on.

Further, it's use in explosives is true but misleading... Salt is used in explosives too.
I couldn’t find anything either in regards to it being a registered poison, except that it was banned under the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act of 1938.
 
Van Schoor J, Khanderia E, Thorniley A. Dantrolene is not the answer to 2,4-dinitrophenol poisoning: more heated debate. BMJ case reports 2018;11. https://casereports.bmj.com/content/11/1/e225323?rss=1 (Dantrolene is not the answer to 2,4-dinitrophenol poisoning: more heated debate)
There has been a resurgence in the use of 2,4-dinitrophenol, C6H4N2O5 (DNP) recently as an illegal weight loss drug. We present a case of a healthy 25-year-old girl who took two tablets of DNP, purchased from an overseas online retailer. She was managed with aggressive, invasive cooling measures and 2.5 mg kg(-1) dantrolene. Despite this, her temperature continued to rise exponentially to 41.5 degrees C. Cardiac arrest occurred and resuscitation was unsuccessful.
To our knowledge, this is the first reported case of the ineffective use of dantrolene in acute DNP poisoning. We review the pathophysiology of DNP toxicity and argue that the use of dantrolene therapy is biochemically implausible, based on poor evidence and likely to be futile. We have contacted the UK National Poisons Information Service (NPIS/TOXBASE) to propose changes to the management of acute DNP toxicity.
We have a 25 year old, 45kg, girl who says she only took 2 tablets. The authors admit to not knowing how much DNP was in each tab, which means she never told them and the dose that caused the reaction remains unknown. Caution is advised about taking any of this as fact because we know self-reporting within the literature is notoriously inaccurate. Especially coming from this group - a young woman suffering with body dysmorphia.

If we're going to speculate then, knowing the UK market as I do, I would guess that the dose around 100-250mg per tab. That translates to 4.4-11.1mg/kg. The high end of that range will absolutely generate the reaction seen here. The low end might do if it's the starting point. So despite my skepticism about the self-reported nature of the dose, it absolutely would not surprise me that this dosing range caused that reaction.

The UK for whatever reason is a breeding ground for dumbass DNP users. This seems to fall into that camp based on the limited facts we have. She clearly had no idea that the dose was way too high for her specifically. I don't have sympathy for folks who use potentially dangerous drugs without doing some extensive research to begin with.
 
thought i would add some of my epic blast results from years ago i would also document everything ; using dinit’s capsules ;

this is for research purposes, please don’t do as i do.. I’m in Ontario so climate in feb is cold as f, also always had a fan on my desk during the day i would literally run back to my office and get back in front of it Lol pretty much time the blast around 2 weeks i knew i didn’t have obligations/meetings

2015 ; 750mg daily first day front load of 1500mg
Feb 2 Mon 243.6 lb Day 1 1500mg
Feb 3 Tues 236.8 lb Day 2 750mg
Feb 4 Wed 233.8 lb
Feb 5 Thu 232.4 lb
Feb 6 Fri 229.3 lb
Feb 7 Sat 225.6 lb
Feb 9 Mon 225.4 lb 7 day
Feb 10 Tue 222.8 lb
Feb 11 Wed 225.6 lb
Feb 12 Thu 219.6 lb [off dnp]
Feb 13 Fri 222 lb [off dnp]
Feb 14 Sat 215.8 lb [off dnp]
 
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