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24k Pharma US Domestic Source

wsw16 said:
At the end of the day a UGL is only as good as the guys running it make it. Are there limitations or problems? sure but it's up to the owner to fix it and overcome those problems and not us to lower our expectations of what we receive/buy. Otherwise than you simply shouldn't be running an operation like this. Is it unrealistic to expect pharma grade quality? yes it probably is. Is it unrealistic to expect quality and consistency? no I don't think so. I believe that if pharma grade was accessible even internationally, than yes everyone would be looking for pharma grade. Unfortunately it is not for 90% of us and the chances of finding fake pharma grade are higher than finding bunk ugl gear these days. Most people look for UGL's not because of price or convenience but because they are forced to. It's been proven many times that people don't mind paying extra for good quality.
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From the outside looking in, I'm confused what some of you are looking for? What would make you happy? What is the resolve? Not only for this guy, but all ugls.

No ugl is testing to any great degree. They're all blindly buying raws and hoping for the best. The better ones do rudimentary tests like melting point and labmax but that's about the extent of it.

I'm really curious where some of you guys buy your ugl gear because by your standards absolutely no ugl would meet the criteria. None.. Not one. The only difference is you like/trust your source more for whatever reason. But it's blind trust.

A large portion of why ugl gear is so cheap is the inherent gamble. It's the unknown. Let's say in a perfect world this guy tested every batch. He had test that was verified 99% of label claims. He raised the price to $80 per bottle. Everyone would bitch and no one would buy it. They'd just go to the next ugl and continue buying $40 bottles of untested gear.

Let's say in an equally perfect world every ugl tested their gear and best case scenario the good ugls had 60% of label claims. Would you just stop running gear altogether? Because odds are if we really knew what was in all this shit as a whole, it would be eye opening.

No one is forced to buy ugl. There's always other options. Thing is most people don't want to spend for them. Or import aas. So they choose to buy ugl. Most people are driven by convenience and price.

All this nonsense is why I stick to pharma. It's just not even worth the headache. I don't even want to run tren or items I can't get pharma anymore. I'll just stick to my Pfizer cyp and pharma gh, with the occasional var. Call it a day.

I'd just like to hear a solution. What's the fix? I feel like I've been reading threads like this since before ORD and we're still no closer to improving anything. I personally can't think of a feasible solution for ugls. It's the unfortunate nature of the beast. And it's all going to go back to these shit Chinese raws that are unable to be controlled.
 
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stevieshredz said:
Anyone wants 24k to be different from all other ugls haha. Everyone knows a ugl is a ugl. Get the fuck out of here. And everyone post that all ugl are a gamble shit all over this board.
And actually by not claiming to have the world greatest gear they are different.

Not backing anyone. Just debating.
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Well his attitude has been different that's for sure...Not backing anyone either and I'm not debating bc I'm no good at it. Just sayin'.
 
It's time things change because there is a means to do it now. Testing is accessible for anyone including ugls so there is no excuse now. No one is asking for 100% purity or accurately dosed down to the last milligram gear, but what is possible is transparency in what the product is and how much is in it so at least i know how much I'm using or that I won't waste my time and money injecting what is supposed to be masteron but there's actually nothing in the oil. No it's not just wanting 24k to be different I couldn't give less of a fuck about 24k. It's about wanting all UGL's to be different. Look at primo of the gods and what he's doing with testing after the failed anaboliclab test, that's how you go about things. Maybe some people are happy with status quo and mediocrity and never demanding or expecting more, but I'm certainly not.
 
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Im all for testing too but honestly no UGL really has to as long as supply and demand stay the same. Most people will continue to buy as long as they r seeing results.
And for meso not being a source board, I hate to say this but, If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Untill something changes, meso for all intensive purposes is a source board, even tho it is not. I am one of the guilty people that came here looking for a source. I'm glad I came here tho bc this is a no bs board, you will find the info you are looking for here. Whether it be about sources or anything aas.
I would rather keep them here, like Rocco said, keep your friends close and your enemy's even closer. As long as they are here they are held more accountable for their actions. I think the systems needs tweaked but I'm not sure how to go about it.
 
wsw16 said:
It's time things change because there is a means to do it now. Testing is accessible for anyone including ugls so there is no excuse now. No one is asking for 100% purity or accurately dosed down to the last milligram gear, but what is possible is transparency in what the product is and how much is in it so at least i know how much I'm using or that I won't waste my time and money injecting what is supposed to be masteron but there's actually nothing in the oil. No it's not just wanting 24k to be different I couldn't give less of a fuck about 24k. It's about wanting all UGL's to be different. Look at primo of the gods and what he's doing with testing after the failed anaboliclab test, that's how you go about things. Maybe some people are happy with status quo and mediocrity and never demanding or expecting more, but I'm certainly not.
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What is primo of the gods doing
 
Seven Dog said:
Well his attitude has been different that's for sure...Not backing anyone either and I'm not debating bc I'm no good at it. Just sayin'.
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His attitude seems to be he sucks and he knows it, but he's making gobs of money off the newbies so he doesn't give a shit. If he cared, he would only be selling his pharma gear. One of life's main lessons is to never go by what people say, but what they do
 
24kpharma said:
I think we should have a discussion about my status here because there seems to be a group of members who are indifferent about me responding in this thread, a group who wants to see updates, and a group who does not want me to source here. I have stated this several times recently, but I am no longer actively sourcing here. The only reason I am still posting is because they are responses to members. I have not mentioned any or pushed any sales and instead have only posted responses to members and to try and quell any anxiousness and unease with ways you can pay with escrow, check your payments, etc. I have rarely, if ever posted and enthusiastically endorsed our UGL line. I have no qualms endorsing the pharma line, as those are straight from the pharmacy. But as far as answering the question I get asked "are you good to go", my answer is always to ask the customer to research and decide for himself based off feedback. As mentioned very early on in this thread, if the majority of members do not wish for me to be here and actively response in this thread, I will leave. My only concern is that there still are members will who @ 24kpharma and direct questions for me. So I think it's time we have a discussion and a conclusion about my involvement here. It's been about 8 months here on Meso, I believe my introduction was in Dec 2014/Jan 2015. Of course there is the belief that any source can go sour at any time. I am unsure what else to do in terms of quelling unease and fears of scamming at this point. I have even set up escrowed payments, meaning you can retract your payment if you do not receive your product. I have processed refunds and reships. The next step would be to send the product to customers first and have them pay later, but unfortunately this would not be feasible. There is little much I can do at this point except work on testing avenues and to continue what I am doing.

So the question I am asking is this: Does the community still want me to actively post on this thread?
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Im thinking come up with a testing plan and just raise your prices to cover your cost. I'm like many not here to debat. I don't have a hidden agenda. I got the refund for the mastrone so I'm happy with the way you handled it with me. There are to many open sources on this board to count and then countless undercover sources. So it's hypacritical at best when people go barking about who is and isn't sourcing.
I full squated 315 ...31 times on your TNE yesterday so yes I'm happy with the product. There have been countless numbers of members saying they enjoy the products and even some good bloods. This has been a test and times are changing with product testing made avalable. Now all of these worldwide labs that are testing well on the anabolic labs site are getting raws from the China ... We all know that China is famous for the switcharoo and they have been from handbags to anything else you can think of...so that testing only stands for the product being tested that moment. And furthermore whenever your dealing in the underworld you can never assume your entitled to a fair one! You don't have a script and it's not the corner CVS your filling it at. This is a great place to be and at a great time.
Only time will tell where this goes. I'm my own man and I call it how see it. I want to keep hearing updates and I'd like to see testing even if it jumps the number to get it.
 
rpbb said:
His attitude seems to be he sucks and he knows it, but he's making gobs of money off the newbies so he doesn't give a shit. If he cared, he would only be selling his pharma gear. One of life's main lessons is to never go by what people say, but what they do
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Actions speak louder than words. Got it...thanks.
 
wsw16 said:
At the end of the day a UGL is only as good as the guys running it make it. Are there limitations or problems? sure but it's up to the owner to fix it and overcome those problems and not us to lower our expectations of what we receive/buy. Otherwise than you simply shouldn't be running an operation like this. Is it unrealistic to expect pharma grade quality? yes it probably is. Is it unrealistic to expect quality and consistency? no I don't think so. I believe that if pharma grade was accessible even internationally, than yes everyone would be looking for pharma grade. Unfortunately it is not for 90% of us and the chances of finding fake pharma grade are higher than finding bunk ugl gear these days. Most people look for UGL's not because of price or convenience but because they are forced to. It's been proven many times that people don't mind paying extra for good quality.
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I do agree that sometimes customers who do not have the access or connections to pharmaceutical sources are forced to go UGL. I also agree that the possibility of spending more money for pharmaceutical products that may be counterfeit can be even more frustrating than purchasing UGL. I think one of the biggest challenges with AAS in the U.S. and in general is that it is an illegal product. As a result, the black market is largely unregulated in that there are not many legitimate governing bodies ensuring that products are clean, safe, and efficacious. However, I am not turning a blind eye to these quality concerns, but previous statements were to be sure that customers purchasing are fully aware of what they are purchasing, that it is UGL. I have changed dosing, I have overdosed products, I have done full refunds for customers, full re-ships, cover testing with store credit, and have largely been around to answer and be accountable for issues and concerns. The next step will be to shift our focus on testing, but again that will take time. I understand that people want to get what they pay for, but unfortunately we are not retail businesses like Wal-mart, Target, etc. I understand there are uncertain expectations, but we also need to be fair with our expectations of UGLs.
 
Marcus said:
I think it would be counter-productive for you to leave the forum. I believe you should be here in an uncensored format where people can post up reviews and ask questions directly to you without fear of posts being deleted, and while they can be ignored by you if YOU wish... This would only be detrimental to your business. I'll speak for only myself in this matter as I'd hope that everyone does.

That being said, you have stated you will pursue a proper avenue of testing, at the very least for a sign of good faith to your customers and the members here... Although obviously anyone who brews SHOULD want to know everything about the gear they're selling and allowing people to inject into there bodies.

You asked for a couple of weeks for these matters, how about you set definitive dates for each foreseeable stage of these processes to be completed. This way your customers and the members here and elsewhere can hold you accountable to a very integral facet to your operation, financial integrity (in terms of product, and personal health.
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I understand where your ask comes from. Unfortunately definitive dates is something I cannot give. Customers often ask me for ETAs on products, and the most I'll give is a 1-3 week time range. The main issue is the unreliability of international shipping and customers. In this testing case, another issue of definitive dates is security. My fear is individuals contacting these labs for information regarding certain samples, and similar to how members are discouraged from posting exact shipping times and T/A, I am doing the same for this testing. Realistically, it would be a stretch for a customer to connect dates with samples and then lead it back to specifics of our operation, but it is not a risk I am willing to take. In that same regard, one of the first details I am discussing with the testing lab is how they can ensure customer and sample confidentiality and anonymity. I can try to give a time range within a week or two after further discussions with the lab- after we discuss timelines, turnaround, shipping, security etc. It is too early right now for me to give a timeline as I have no idea and would be making up dates.
 
wsw16 said:
@24k are you a good dancer? cause you danced around the subject of testing like a pro.

So you're basically saying that you just want to make money and don't care if your products turn out to be shit or not as long as people still buy from you. You have no distinction with any other ugl, because a lot of them or most sell pharma meds too. But there are other ugl's that have a very big distinction with you, cause believe it or not there are some that have consistency and quality and actually care about what they put out instead of saying "oh well fuck it I know my shit is gonna be inconsistent so I'm not gonna do anything about it, it's just the way it is". You seem like a nice guy from some of your posts but damn what a pathetic attitude to have as a business owner.
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Really? There are UGL's with consistency? I guess that's correct if you're OK with consistent inconsistency.
 
rpbb said:
His attitude seems to be he sucks and he knows it, but he's making gobs of money off the newbies so he doesn't give a shit. If he cared, he would only be selling his pharma gear. One of life's main lessons is to never go by what people say, but what they do
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If needed, I can create a separate list for Meso members and offer only our pharmaceutical line. I agree with your last line, that actions speak louder than words. I do not mean for this next part to be contentious, so please keep an open mind. Rather, I am just giving some insight into what I have personally witnessed. Many people say that they prefer to pay more for pharmaceutical grade products. We have access to certain pharmaceutical grade products, but when the price comes up most customers shy away. For example, one of the most sought after products is Anavar, especially for women who cannot tolerate the potential batches differences and unreliable dosing of UGLs. We have pharmaceutical FDA approved Anavar available for order, however the cost is $1200-1400 for a bottle. Pharmaceutical anavar has been requested many times, but no one has purchased because of the price. The reason it is so expensive has been addressed before, but it's because it's purchased at a wholesale price (no insurance).

Another observation to note is that there are some products in which there are simply no pharmaceutical versions of. An example would be tren a/e. The argument could be made that tren pellets are available, however I have explored that avenue and the problem is that the extraction yield from the pellets are difficult to determine. It would require lab testing to determine how much total dosing is in the vial after extracting and dissolving. Another issue is that we are less confident about selling internationally obtained pharmaceutical products rather than ones direct from our pharmacy. With our pharmacy direct products, we can be more assured they have been un-tampered with because they come straight from a pharmacy warehouse. With international pharmaceutical products, and especially with certain stealth methods, there is no definitive way we can be uncertain they are un-tampered.
 
ECB said:
From the outside looking in, I'm confused what some of you are looking for? What would make you happy? What is the resolve? Not only for this guy, but all ugls.

No ugl is testing to any great degree. They're all blindly buying raws and hoping for the best. The better ones do rudimentary tests like melting point and labmax but that's about the extent of it.

I'm really curious where some of you guys buy your ugl gear because by your standards absolutely no ugl would meet the criteria. None.. Not one. The only difference is you like/trust your source more for whatever reason. But it's blind trust.

A large portion of why ugl gear is so cheap is the inherent gamble. It's the unknown. Let's say in a perfect world this guy tested every batch. He had test that was verified 99% of label claims. He raised the price to $80 per bottle. Everyone would bitch and no one would buy it. They'd just go to the next ugl and continue buying $40 bottles of untested gear.

Let's say in an equally perfect world every ugl tested their gear and best case scenario the good ugls had 60% of label claims. Would you just stop running gear altogether? Because odds are if we really knew what was in all this shit as a whole, it would be eye opening.

No one is forced to buy ugl. There's always other options. Thing is most people don't want to spend for them. Or import aas. So they choose to buy ugl. Most people are driven by convenience and price.

All this nonsense is why I stick to pharma. It's just not even worth the headache. I don't even want to run tren or items I can't get pharma anymore. I'll just stick to my Pfizer cyp and pharma gh, with the occasional var. Call it a day.

I'd just like to hear a solution. What's the fix? I feel like I've been reading threads like this since before ORD and we're still no closer to improving anything. I personally can't think of a feasible solution for ugls. It's the unfortunate nature of the beast. And it's all going to go back to these shit Chinese raws that are unable to be controlled.
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Nice post, makes good sense to me.
I myself feel forced to buy UGL though. I also don't necessarily believe it's less expensive either considering the larger doses I've had to take with still less results that Human grade.
I have tried my luck with so called Pharm brand human grade stuff and it's be fake as well.
For me, the only way I've been able to know for sure that I'm getting quality, real juice is to drive to Mexico myself and get what I need. True its not as easy to find as it used to be but it's still there.
Also, I am becoming unwilling to take the chance crossing back over the border anymore. I have had more than 1 close call.
So that leaves me with the UGL choice. So far I haven't found 1 UGL that was consistent with the quality of goods. I suppose at some point I'll have to make a decision as to whether or not the crap gear that the UGL's put out is worth the hassle and time and money spent.
There are a lot of guys here who have only used UGL gear since they've started using steroids and that's part of why there are so many different views on if the gear is good or not. How do you know how good something is if you've never had the real deal?
 
24kpharma said:
If needed, I can create a separate list for Meso members and offer only our pharmaceutical line. I agree with your last line, that actions speak louder than words. I do not mean for this next part to be contentious, so please keep an open mind. Rather, I am just giving some insight into what I have personally witnessed. Many people say that they prefer to pay more for pharmaceutical grade products. We have access to certain pharmaceutical grade products, but when the price comes up most customers shy away. For example, one of the most sought after products is Anavar, especially for women who cannot tolerate the potential batches differences and unreliable dosing of UGLs. We have pharmaceutical FDA approved Anavar available for order, however the cost is $1200-1400 for a bottle. Pharmaceutical anavar has been requested many times, but no one has purchased because of the price. The reason it is so expensive has been addressed before, but it's because it's purchased at a wholesale price (no insurance).

Another observation to note is that there are some products in which there are simply no pharmaceutical versions of. An example would be tren a/e. The argument could be made that tren pellets are available, however I have explored that avenue and the problem is that the extraction yield from the pellets are difficult to determine. It would require lab testing to determine how much total dosing is in the vial after extracting and dissolving. Another issue is that we are less confident about selling internationally obtained pharmaceutical products rather than ones direct from our pharmacy. With our pharmacy direct products, we can be more assured they have been un-tampered with because they come straight from a pharmacy warehouse. With international pharmaceutical products, and especially with certain stealth methods, there is no definitive way we can be uncertain they are un-tampered.
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I guess the only thing I can recommend is to come up with a testing program, detail how the testing program is implemented (can be done without discussing timing), test all your raws and advertise the heck out of the results and how that makes you different than the other ugls
 
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