24k Pharma US Domestic Source

[Wunderpus]

Are you GigaloRob? Where's the proof? I've read and so far have not seen any blood work beside folks saying they didn't "feel" or did not have the "sides". Can you provide link to prove me wrong? Not taking side, but we should be fair and wait till all the "proof" I mean by analytical proof and not "broscience" proof.

You are taking a side, saying you are not doesn't change that. It appears as though you're sympathizing with the source, from my viewpoint.

Our only option is to send in a vial of our own tren to Simec and have it tested. What else would suffice for you? Are you a 24K customer, or just commenting?

 

[Flaming Dragon]

How do you propose we do that with tren?

Also, there's no proof it ISN'T bunk...

True.. that's why we wait and don't pass judgment until all the facts are in. I think 24k is willing to refund members who are not happy with their gear.. isn't that a good thing?

 

[Wunderpus]

True.. that's why we wait and don't pass judgment until all the facts are in. I think 24k is willing to refund members who are not happy with their gear.. isn't that a good thing?

Yes, it is a good thing. What "facts" are you expecting to see? The source's results from Simec?

 

[Flaming Dragon]

You are taking a side, saying you are not doesn't change that. It appears as though you're sympathizing with the source, from my viewpoint.

Our only option is to send in a vial of our own tren to Simec and have it tested. What else would suffice for you? Are you a 24K customer, or just commenting?

Yes, I purchase my last cycle with him ( 2 vial ofTren E) and got great result. I can't say G2G for anything beyond what I got. Not sympathizing, just fairness for both parties.. that's my true intention!

 

[Flaming Dragon]

Yes, it is a good thing. What "facts" are you expecting to see? The source's results from Simec?

24k did say give him 2-3 weeks (i think that what he said on the last post).. I say, give the man his 2-3 weeks and see where it goes..

 

[Wunderpus]

Yes, I purchase my last cycle with him ( 2 vial ofTren E) and got great result. I can't say G2G for anything beyond what I got. Not sympathizing, just fairness for both parties.. that's my true intention!

I do not believe the tren. enan. is in question here, could be wrong. Myself, @mkulltra58 and a few other members are having issues with the tren. ace.

 

[Superfly]

24k sending a raw or his own finished product to be tested is no proof. It doesn't mean shit. He sent a product that wasn't his customers finished product to be tested. Now his credibility is in question with multiple meso accounts.

If he was in fact worried and cared about his customer. He would resolve their problems NOW!!. Either by refund or store credit for something else. Instead of spending 3k for testing which is worthless.

Are you GigaloRob? Where's the proof? I've read and so far have not seen any blood work beside folks saying they didn't "feel" or did not have the "sides". Can you provide link to prove me wrong? Not taking side, but we should be fair and wait till all the "proof" I mean by analytical proof and not "broscience" proof.

 

[Docd187123]

How do you propose we do that with tren?

Also, there's no proof it ISN'T bunk...

You can't prove a negative and the burden of proof is on the person making the claim which is superfly saying it's bunk.

 

[Docd187123]

24k sending a raw or his own finished product to be tested is no proof. It doesn't mean shit. He sent a product that wasn't his customers finished product to be tested. Now his credibility is in question with multiple meso accounts.

If he was in fact worried and cared about his customer. He would resolve their problems NOW!!. Either by refund or store credit for something else. Instead of spending 3k for testing which is worthless.

If his tests are worthless then at least tell him so he can stop wasting money on testing that nobody is going to believe anyway.

 

[Mr.B66]

I dont believe that any testing is worthless, the fact that 24 is doing testing shows that he at least cares enough about his finished product, that he is testing not only the finished product but his raws so he can properly dose his gear with said raws, and ( im assuming) future raws.
This could be a good thing!!!

 

[Wunderpus]

His tests aren't worthless IMO. However, they have LESS weight than user submitted tests....

@Docd187123 this is true. I have run a lot of tren, maybe this is a coincidence, but for the first time EVER this feels different. I realize this isn't the best method for "testing" a product, but it should catch some attention (which it has). If I had enough of this tren to send in for testing, I would. I hope another member does, and is willing to send it in.

 

[24kpharma]

@24kpharma , I apologize if you already made this known. Did you send raws along with finished product with batches of tren a and test c & e in question?

Thanks

The Tren A batch we sent had it's raws tested a few months back. We already sent another round of raws for testing to another lab - raws going to one lab and finished product going to another. Hopefully that clarifies, thanks.

 

[24kpharma]

Here is the real question @24kpharma.... Your customers who have underdosed and in some cases bunk tren and test e/c . Do they get a refund now as you stated earlier or store credit for something else? Or do they have to wait a month for test results of whatever you sent to be tested?

Thanks for reading......

I believe everyone that has contacted me for refunds/replacements have already been taken care of or are being taken care of now. Thanks.

 

[Superfly]

I believe everyone that has contacted me for refunds/replacements have already been taken care of or are being taken care of now. Thanks.

Thanks for the clarification...

 

[24kpharma]

24k sending a raw or his own finished product to be tested is no proof. It doesn't mean shit. He sent a product that wasn't his customers finished product to be tested. Now his credibility is in question with multiple meso accounts.

If he was in fact worried and cared about his customer. He would resolve their problems NOW!!. Either by refund or store credit for something else. Instead of spending 3k for testing which is worthless.

There are several concerns of yours that need to be addressed.

The first is the question of testing own our raws. My issue with this type of criticism is that initially we were asked by the community to test our own raws/product before selling. We have had individuals voice they that do not want to be "guinea pigs" for untested product. We follow up with this testing and now we are being criticized saying that these self test are not of any value, where in the beginning it was the community asking us to do this self testing in the first place.

Every few months we have accusations of alternative handles or accounts. I have been transparent from the beginning and have continued to do so for over a year now. This is the only and official account used to post and comment on 24k. There is no way we can prove we don't have alts, because as another user accurately stated "you can't prove a negative and the burden of proof is on the person making the claim". I can only say that we do not need to operate in such "shady" ways when we have always been a proponent of honest dealings.

I have answered your refund/replacement question in an earlier post of yours.

In regards to the testing being worthless, I believe the below user sums up our sentiments nicely

If his tests are worthless then at least tell him so he can stop wasting money on testing that nobody is going to believe anyway.

Please let me know if this has addressed your concerns, thanks.

 

[Docd187123]

There are several concerns of yours that need to be addressed.

The first is the question of testing own our raws. My issue with this type of criticism is that initially we were asked by the community to test our own raws/product before selling. We have had individuals voice they that do not want to be "guinea pigs" for untested product. We follow up with this testing and now we are being criticized saying that these self test are not of any value, where in the beginning it was the community asking us to do this self testing in the first place.

Every few months we have accusations of alternative handles or accounts. I have been transparent from the beginning and have continued to do so for over a year now. This is the only and official account used to post and comment on 24k. There is no way we can prove we don't have alts, because as another user accurately stated "you can't prove a negative and the burden of proof is on the person making the claim". I can only say that we do not need to operate in such "shady" ways when we have always been a proponent of honest dealings.

I have answered your refund/replacement question in an earlier post of yours.

In regards to the testing being worthless, I believe the below user sums up our sentiments nicely



Please let me know if this has addressed your concerns, thanks.

I don't have concerns as a customer. I've never ordered from you nor do I plan on placing an order. I simply remember how hard ppl pushed to have source raws tested at the expense of the source only to be told now that it's basically worthless by some. It's illogical.

 

[jackthegripper2]

Stupid fuck. Take you and your small tittied chunker outta here.

Hey man stock up on as much free gear as you can while the goings good right?

 

[xcvcx]

Hey man stock up on as much free gear as you can while the goings good right?

How was I looking for free gear? Just gear that works. I'm taken care of though. Your bish is still the same.

 

[jackthegripper2]

How was I looking for free gear? Just gear that works. I'm taken care of though. Your bish is still the same.

come on everyone around here knows youre a reverse scammer.

 

[24kpharma]

I don't have concerns as a customer. I've never ordered from you nor do I plan on placing an order. I simply remember how hard ppl pushed to have source raws tested at the expense of the source only to be told now that it's basically worthless by some. It's illogical.

Yes, I believe this type of behavior is overall detrimental to the credibility of users in the Underground as well as their relationship with sources. I are here for accountability and have tried my best to cater to what the community has asked of us. However, if we are to be criticized for doing exactly as the community has asked of us, it makes me hesitant to continue to work with the community. If we are to be punished and our actions deemed "worthless", the very actions were were asked to do by the community itself, then I see little value in continuing to be involved.

On a related note, it is also distressing when individuals who make positive or even neutral post towards us are marked as 24k reps/alts or are called unsavory names. This community is known for it's refusal to censor posts, but what we are seeing is users censoring or discouraging other users. I have treated positive and negative feedback with the same respect, I openly embrace feedback, it is the only way to move forward and improve our operation and this community. As a result, it is discerning when individuals are shut down for voicing their opinion.

I understand if the community is hesitant to trust sources, but it is very difficult for me to operate when every action of ours is seen as sinister. I have tried to act consistently through my time here, I am not sure what else the community wants from us. As I have stated from the very beginning, if as a community you decide we are not welcome here, please let me know and we will leave.

Thank you for reading.