24k Pharma US Domestic Source

[Superfly]

There are several concerns of yours that need to be addressed.

The first is the question of testing own our raws. My issue with this type of criticism is that initially we were asked by the community to test our own raws/product before selling. We have had individuals voice they that do not want to be "guinea pigs" for untested product. We follow up with this testing and now we are being criticized saying that these self test are not of any value, where in the beginning it was the community asking us to do this self testing in the first place.

Every few months we have accusations of alternative handles or accounts. I have been transparent from the beginning and have continued to do so for over a year now. This is the only and official account used to post and comment on 24k. There is no way we can prove we don't have alts, because as another user accurately stated "you can't prove a negative and the burden of proof is on the person making the claim". I can only say that we do not need to operate in such "shady" ways when we have always been a proponent of honest dealings.

I have answered your refund/replacement question in an earlier post of yours.

In regards to the testing being worthless, I believe the below user sums up our sentiments nicely



Please let me know if this has addressed your concerns, thanks.

Everyone seems to have misunderstood what I said - as far as the testing being worthless. Let me "clarify" I was speaking of being worthless to your customers now that have issues with their gear.

Testing is vital for you and future sales. Especially if you switched raw suppliers. To make sure your not getting screwed on the purity.

 

[24kpharma]

Everyone seems to have misunderstood what I said - as far as the testing being worthless. Let me "clarify" I was speaking of being worthless to your customers now that have issues with their gear.

Testing is vital for you and future sales. Especially if you switched raw suppliers. To make sure your not getting screwed on the purity.

I am wanting to get these results back as soon as possible just like everyone else. What is confusing is that the Tren A batch that individuals are having problems with was made using raws we had sent in. Hopefully more testing can help us get a better picture of what is going on.

Many people now are calling for more testing + customer sent testing, I can assure you we are working on it now. Unfortunately, it will be some time before we can have results back. I just ask for some patience as more calls for customer testing will not speed up the process - we are at the mercy of the testing facility now.

Thanks.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

Yes, I believe this type of behavior is overall detrimental to the credibility of users in the Underground as well as their relationship with sources. I are here for accountability and have tried my best to cater to what the community has asked of us. However, if we are to be criticized for doing exactly as the community has asked of us, it makes me hesitant to continue to work with the community. If we are to be punished and our actions deemed "worthless", the very actions were were asked to do by the community itself, then I see little value in continuing to be involved.

On a related note, it is also distressing when individuals who make positive or even neutral post towards us are marked as 24k reps/alts or are called unsavory names. This community is known for it's refusal to censor posts, but what we are seeing is users censoring or discouraging other users. I have treated positive and negative feedback with the same respect, I openly embrace feedback, it is the only way to move forward and improve our operation and this community. As a result, it is discerning when individuals are shut down for voicing their opinion.

I understand if the community is hesitant to trust sources, but it is very difficult for me to operate when every action of ours is seen as sinister. I have tried to act consistently through my time here, I am not sure what else the community wants from us. As I have stated from the very beginning, if as a community you decide we are not welcome here, please let me know and we will leave.

Thank you for reading.

24K, IMHO you should just leave and never look back (after you refund everyone who claims their gear is underdose/bunk)- It's a lose-lose situation you're in. Maybe this will bring the forum back to it's original intended.. No Sourcing.. Good luck!

 

[napaulm]

my 2nd blood test result, this from 500/wk using the same godam protocol ive used for the last 10 years. usually i get 8x, this was 5.8ish. 2874
the good news is the adex im using from all american peptides dropped my e2 down to 12 from 52.
the first bloods i did i got 2606 or so on 400 a week. i posted that in the lab results section. dont know the batches, i dont keep the vials. it was all in the same order i got mid-december tho.
so. 400/wk got me 2606.
500 wk got me 2874. pretty bad.

 

[Superfly]

How in the hell is it lose-lose situation??!!!

He took care of his unhappy customers now and is making sure his future customers will get what is on the label. It's a win- win for him and meso members.

24K, IMHO you should just leave and never look back (after you refund everyone who claims their gear is underdose/bunk)- It's a lose-lose situation you're in. Maybe this will bring the forum back to it's original intended.. No Sourcing.. Good luck!

 

[OdieM]

I was a little to harsh yesterday when I said that I would wipe my ass with 24k's lab results. It would be good to see where his Raws stand. I wish he would list EVERYTHING that's being tested that way if something comes back not quite to par he can't hide it from us. ( I might of missed it ) Now as far as him testing his oils I have some serious concerns and would rather members do it. Most of this has been mentioned but felt I needed to clean my side of the street cause I haven't been myself lately and wanted to be more civil about this matter. Please have ALL your RAWS tested.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

How in the hell is it lose-lose situation??!!!

He took care of his unhappy customers now and is making sure his future customers will get what is on the label. It's a win- win for him and meso members.

Go back and re-read your posting (all of it) and tell me it's a win-win situation for him. Damn if you do and damn if you don't.. Isn't it what people want.. No sourcing on MESO?

 

[Gramps]

24K, IMHO you should just leave and never look back (after you refund everyone who claims their gear is underdose/bunk)- It's a lose-lose situation you're in. Maybe this will bring the forum back to it's original intended.. No Sourcing.. Good luck!

Sure... a UGL shows up, people get TDs, "most" gear is good as proven, the UGL stands up and offers payback for "questionable" poor results rather than "proven" poor results, so throw this motherfucker OUT! There's always labs to really take care of the peep's needs. Phurious... Hammer... Then again, when was the last time 24 actually sold anything here? He shows up to answer questions and all, but sales? 24K needs to stay right where he is - that guys answering questions in a professional manner. Take away the intelligent folks, and there will only be 4 of us left kicking each other in the nuts wondering why it's so quiet.

 

[24kpharma]

I was a little to harsh yesterday when I said that I would wipe my ass with 24k's lab results. It would be good to see where his Raws stand. I wish he would list EVERYTHING that's being tested that way if something comes back not quite to par he can't hide it from us. ( I might of missed it ) Now as far as him testing his oils I have some serious concerns and would rather members do it. Most of this has been mentioned but felt I needed to clean my side of the street cause I haven't been myself lately.

There's certain information I am/am not comfortable sharing with publicly. The reason I don't share and post the lab results publicly and provide by email only, is because I do not communicate with these labs under "24k". I communicate with them using a different surname. To blatantly communicate with them as 24k would be risky, as we are domestic (AAS illegal in US) and we are tying payment + shipment information to them. These labs do not accept Bitcoin, so to tie our payment information to 24k would be a serious breach of security. For the same reason we are not posting results publicly, this prevents anyone (i.e. LE) from taking the testing reference number and cross referencing it to 24k as the testing owner. If I were to post "we have sent x,y,z", it would be easy for the lab to cross reference the date along with the specific samples sent and make the connection. Not saying that the lab would do this, or is even interested in doing this, but it is something that law enforcement could easily demand from the lab.

This might be a little extreme, but I will put our safety before testing. The testing is only worth it if it does not jeopardize our safety.

Finished oils are being tested by customers and myself. I went ahead and sent ours just to get the ball rolling so we can have some preliminary results as soon as possible. The customer oils we are working with now to have them sent.

Hopefully this clarifies, thanks.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

I was a little to harsh yesterday when I said that I would wipe my ass with 24k's lab results. It would be good to see where his Raws stand. I wish he would list EVERYTHING that's being tested that way if something comes back not quite to par he can't hide it from us. ( I might of missed it ) Now as far as him testing his oils I have some serious concerns and would rather members do it. Most of this has been mentioned but felt I needed to clean my side of the street cause I haven't been myself lately and wanted to be more civil about this matter. Please have ALL your RAWS tested.

@OdieM We're all like that on gear!! One day we're happy then a gay guy in a shower full of men.. Next day, smash the TV because the commercial is too long.. Sometime, we're like little bitches when we don't get our way asked the wifey

 

[OdieM]

There's certain information I am/am not comfortable sharing with publicly. The reason I don't share and post the lab results publicly and provide by email only, is because I do not communicate with these labs under "24k". I communicate with them using a different surname. To blatantly communicate with them as 24k would be risky, as we are domestic (AAS illegal in US) and we are tying payment + shipment information to them. These labs do not accept Bitcoin, so to tie our payment information to 24k would be a serious breach of security. For the same reason we are not posting results publicly, this prevents anyone (i.e. LE) from taking the testing reference number and cross referencing it to 24k as the testing owner. If I were to post "we have sent x,y,z", it would be easy for the lab to cross reference the date along with the specific samples sent and make the connection. Not saying that the lab would do this, or is even interested in doing this, but it is something that law enforcement could easily demand from the lab.

This might be a little extreme, but I will put our safety before testing. The testing is only worth it if it does not jeopardize our safety.

Finished oils are being tested by customers and myself. I went ahead and sent ours just to get the ball rolling so we can have some preliminary results as soon as possible. The customer oils we are working with now to have them sent.

Hopefully this clarifies, thanks.

I don't follow your thread to closely because quite honesty the underground makes my BP go up but I could of swore that when members asked, " did you send ...... To get tested? You were then telling members whether you had or not. That kinda contradicts everything you just said. I hear what your saying though. Not sure why you couldn't tell a few trusted vets here exactly what you sent to be tested so you could be held accountable.

 

[24kpharma]

I was a little to harsh yesterday when I said that I would wipe my ass with 24k's lab results. It would be good to see where his Raws stand. I wish he would list EVERYTHING that's being tested that way if something comes back not quite to par he can't hide it from us. ( I might of missed it ) Now as far as him testing his oils I have some serious concerns and would rather members do it. Most of this has been mentioned but felt I needed to clean my side of the street cause I haven't been myself lately and wanted to be more civil about this matter. Please have ALL your RAWS tested.

I will be honest there is no way we can have all our raws tested with the way we are currently operating right now. We have over 10+ products and each product is received in packages no larger than 1kg, usually in the 200-300g range per shipment. This, along with the fact that the lab turnaround is now 15-20 business days - we would be selling product faster than we can test the raws. There would have to be major changes in order for this type of testing protocols to work.

In order to have every raw tested, before we brew and sold it, we would have to severely limit the amount of sales, most likely we would constantly be out of stock of certain items as we wait for the lab results to come back. Furthermore, I would have to raise prices because I will have multiple raw batches sitting waiting for testing. Those that have worked in retail and supply chain know that there is a cost in unmoved inventory. Inventory that is sitting and not being sold cost money, that is product that is sitting and not making any more for your business. So essentially, if we were to move towards testing all raws, customers would see a decrease in available stock and a significant increase in prices.

Because we are a domestic source, are hands are tied by our safety measures. We can only operate at a size that I am comfortable with operating at. While I think there are many great ideas that this community has, there are some that are simply not feasible. We have to operate in the realm of what is reasonable.

Thanks.

 

[24kpharma]

I don't follow your thread to closely because quite honesty the underground makes my BP go up but I could of swore that when members asked, " did you send ...... To get tested? And you were then telling members whether you had or not. That kinda contradicts everything you just said. I hear what your saying though. Not sure why you couldn't tell a few trusted vets here exactly what you sent to be tested so you could be held accountable.

Yes, but there is a difference between answering "yes we sent product X" and "yes we sent product X,Y,Z, A,B". I have no issues answering "yes we sent Tren A", because it is likely the lab receives multiple samples of Tren A. But how likely is it that the lab receives a shipment of the exact combination of "X, Y, Z, A , B"?

If someone were to ask us exactly what samples we sent, I would have asked to take to email. However, this is not the case, we just had individuals asking more or less generic questions, which I have no issues answering in public. But when we get down to as specific as each and every exact sample in the shipment, that is too narrow and can be easily traced back to us. Hopefully that logic makes sense.

 

[bhog]

Working on ironing out the details to send in a vial of tren a.

 

[mkulltra58]

Sources aren't protected on Meso and that is the way that it should be. This section of the site is for honest reviews of sources by members. I will say that 24k has been a man of his word and is taking care of me. As far as I know, he has yet to scam or screw anybody. He his testing his products and more importantly, paying for customers to test their finish products. This is more than can be said for a lot of sources out there. In my opinion, a source that is testing and taking care of their customers will be in demand regardless of whether they are personally active on Meso.

Source testing has value but just not the same value as user-submitted samples. See post from today how Pharmacom posted raw results.

Simec results of products produced in January. these are products being sold now.

Mean no disrespect by posting another sources results but just want to show example and figure since you are closed right now this post will be buried by the time you are back selling.

Personally, if every product has to be raised by $5 to help pay for user-submitted testing, it would be worth it to me. I think testing should be requested by 24K on an individual basis and he can decide whether or not to agree (same as Frank does).

I believe I received a batch of underdosed tren ace. Do you I think 24K should be run off with pitchforks and burned at the stake? No. As long as there is transparency with customers as much as possible and he is taking care of his customers, I would be personally willing to purchase from him again.

I know this is a long post but I want to say one more thing. If we as a community can continue to promote and help AnabolicLabs raise funds, then hopefully the program will be able to expand the testing to include domestic labs like 24K. This is another perfect example of how important what AnabolicLab is doing for the community really is.

 

[Wunderpus]

24K, IMHO you should just leave and never look back (after you refund everyone who claims their gear is underdose/bunk)- It's a lose-lose situation you're in. Maybe this will bring the forum back to it's original intended.. No Sourcing.. Good luck!

You don't want this to be a source board, yet purchased from a source, on this board? Okay.

 

[Wunderpus]

Sources aren't protected on Meso and that is the way that it should be. This section of the site is for honest reviews of sources by members. I will say that 24k has been a man of his word and is taking care of me. As far as I know, he has yet to scam or screw anybody. He his testing his products and more importantly, paying for customers to test their finish products. This is more than can be said for a lot of sources out there. In my opinion, a source that is testing and taking care of their customers will be in demand regardless of whether they are personally active on Meso.

Source testing has value but just not the same value as user-submitted samples. See post from today how Pharmacom posted raw results.



Mean no disrespect by posting another sources results but just want to show example and figure since you are closed right now this post will be buried by the time you are back selling.

Personally, if every product has to be raised by $5 to help pay for user-submitted testing, it would be worth it to me. I think testing should be requested by 24K on an individual basis and he can decide whether or not to agree (same as Frank does).

I believe I received a batch of underdosed tren ace. Do you I think 24K should be run off with pitchforks and burned at the stake? No. As long as there is transparency with customers as much as possible and he is taking care of his customers, I would be personally willing to purchase from him again.

I know this is a long post but I want to say one more thing. If we as a community can continue to promote and help AnabolicLabs raise funds, then hopefully the program will be able to expand the testing to include domestic labs like 24K. This is another perfect example of how important what AnabolicLab is doing for the community really is.

The true tell of a source is how they handle these situations. 24K's willingness to work with us and provide replacements etc. is a good start. His openness in terms of testing is also good.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

You don't want this to be a source board, yet purchased from a source, on this board? Okay.

I never said that I don't want any source on this board.. but isn't what Meso is all about..no source..

 

[Wunderpus]

I never said that I don't want any source on this board.. but isn't what Meso is all about..no source..

That's in many ways a delusion... We test sources on AL, which is the sister site. We have the Underground (you're here, reading this, right now...) where sources CLEARLY advertise and pimp themselves out. Take a look to the right, see that ad for Gym Labs?

While Millard (as far as I know, and believe) doesn't take bribes from sources, and doesn't ban members who speak poorly of some sources (you know where that happens), this board openly accepts sources more or less. We do have a code of conduct, in a sense...

I get what you're trying to say, I do... I just don't think we're that, we're somewhere in between. That's why it's awkward

 

[Flaming Dragon]

That's in many ways a delusion... We test sources on AL, which is the sister site. We have the Underground (you're here, reading this, right now...) where sources CLEARLY advertise and pimp themselves out. Take a look to the right, see that ad for Gym Labs?

While Millard (as far as I know, and believe) doesn't take bribes from sources, and doesn't ban members who speak poorly of some sources (you know where that happens), this board openly accepts sources more or less. We do have a code of conduct, in a sense...

I get what you're trying to say, I do... I just don't think we're that, we're somewhere in between. That's why it's awkward

I can agree with that! 24k been thru the ringer and he's still here! He could have said "FUCK MESO" and move his operation to Reddit. Less hassle and don't have to deal with prima-donna's.