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[brutus79]

The only way for an alcoholic or an addict to be definitively diagnosed is self diagnosis. You are not truly an addict and/or alcoholic until you say you are. I get what odie is saying but after watching my mother get clean and living in that and spending 20 years since my first rehab trying to stay clean I have almost 30 years being around people in the program. I learned one thing- trying to convince someone they are an addict or alcoholic is the biggest waste of time on earth. Even if they are admitting addiction, begging for help and half dead they will have a tough time- situations where they are unsure need to be taught lessons by drugs and alcohol- not people. Maybe it will kill em, but either way they aren't using anymore. To each his own.

 

[OdieM]

Got it and couldn't agree more with some of you fellas. Guess it struck a nerve hearing Gyno1980 say what he said. He created a recovery thread and he's privately asked me my story and wanted to talk recovery. It just quite honestly pissed me off last night.

I get what y'all are saying about aas. I don't see it that way at all. Many of y'all have seen my before pics before aas. I could compete with out all this. I'm here cause I went to a low T clinic and tested below 200. Yes somewhere along the way I started cycling but that's because it's not an instant gratification mind or body altering substance. I don't abuse aas and quite honestly I looked better IMO before them. Aas does not get me high and I'm not addicted to them. You all know the publics view on them. They simply don't understand that taking aas doesn't make you hit home runs or I would go pro. Yes maybe over time it will strengthen you and help you hit home runs but it's not something you can just take and become a super hero. It takes months of hard work and self control with a fork. It's nothing like a narcotic.

 

[Wunderpus]

Yep. In no way does gear alter my mind. Addiction is a disease of the mind in case you didn't know. The day I pin oil and it has me looking out my blinds with one in the chamber then we will talk. You should all know that aas isnt some miracle fix that has instant effects. It takes time and dedication to see results. The only aas that I actually even feel is tren. To me it's just something to help me eat a shit ton of food and not get fat.

You don't think that fina tren of yours "alters your mind" at all? Just curious, not hating. I personally do believe AAS are a "drug" in all senses of the word, just like caffeine, alcohol, crack, etc. They all have a physiological effect and can alter your mind to a degree or another.

Mind you, I was never an addict of sorts, so I may be talking out of my ass to a degree.

 

[Hanibal]

I dnt believe tren doesn't alters one mind. From my experience...shit can get crazy. More internal. I control myself.

 

[CAswole]

You don't think that fina tren of yours "alters your mind" at all? Just curious, not hating. I personally do believe AAS are a "drug" in all senses of the word, just like caffeine, alcohol, crack, etc. They all have a physiological effect and can alter your mind to a degree or another.

Mind you, I was never an addict of sorts, so I may be talking out of my ass to a degree.

Absolutely. After almost 7 yrs of not drinking, i really think that our aas use is merely an extension of our addictions. I think anybody here that says they are not addicted to some degree to their aas is fooling themselves. Yea, it is a 'different' kind of thing, unique in the respect that ur not necessarily robbing someone to get it or get a dui cuz of it but mentally it's got the same type of makeup imo. It disguises itself under the fitness banner cuz quite the opposite of say, meth, you don't look strung out at 130lbs. You look big and strong. Take some of that away and ur mind fucks with you. This is where the addiction part comes in cuz you want that "hit" that buzz that feeling that aas gives u. Different but same at its core imo. Keep coming back! Lol

 

[OdieM]

You don't think that fina tren of yours "alters your mind" at all? Just curious, not hating. I personally do believe AAS are a "drug" in all senses of the word, just like caffeine, alcohol, crack, etc. They all have a physiological effect and can alter your mind to a degree or another.

Mind you, I was never an addict of sorts, so I may be talking out of my ass to a degree.

Oh Wunpus your right tren is in the same category as crack. I'm actually headed to the pawn shop with all my family and friends possessions. Lol also alcohol is the worlds number 1 killer I believe so that ones a little harsh too. I get it believe me I do I see an outsiders view of the situation. To me tren is mild. Maybe not for an aas but it is compared to an over the counter weight loss pill. I can see where you would compare it to crack though. Lol what are you running like 5 grams at the moment with 10ius a day? Lol yeah in that scenario I would feel like I'm on crack and probably be in a bad mental state. I'm actually taking a multivitamin right now that guarantees enhanced mental focus and energy. I bought it off amazon.

Absolutely. After almost 7 yrs of not drinking, i really think that our aas use is merely an extension of our addictions. I think anybody here that says they are not addicted to some degree to their aas is fooling themselves. Yea, it is a 'different' kind of thing, unique in the respect that ur not necessarily robbing someone to get it or get a dui cuz of it but mentally it's got the same type of makeup imo. It disguises itself under the fitness banner cuz quite the opposite of say, meth, you don't look strung out at 130lbs. You look big and strong. Take some of that away and ur mind fucks with you. This is where the addiction part comes in cuz you want that "hit" that buzz that feeling that aas gives u. Different but same at its core imo. Keep coming back! Lol

Definitely some truth to this. I pct all the time so I know the feeling but after a month or so I'm fine. Why do you think we don't have members here that's have been here a decade? It's quite easy to walk away from and EVERYONE does eventually. The only thing I'm addicted to here is Meso and the bros I've met.


I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with y'all. I stand corrected and I'm no better then your average junkie

In no way am I trying to disrespect anyone here. We all have our beliefs. Like Marcus said, I'll do me.

 

[Wunderpus]

Oh Wunpus your right tren is in the same category as crack. I'm actually headed to the pawn shop with all my family and friends possessions. Lol also alcohol is the worlds number 1 killer I believe so that ones a little harsh too. I get it believe me I do I see an outsiders view of the situation. To me tren is mild. Maybe not for an aas but it is compared to an over the counter weight loss pill. I can see where you would compare it to crack though. Lol what are you running like 5 grams at the moment with 10ius a day? Lol yeah in that scenario I would feel like I'm on crack and probably be in a bad mental state. I'm actually taking a multivitamin right now that guarantees enhanced mental focus and energy. I bought it off amazon.



Definitely some truth to this. I pct all the time so I know the feeling but after a month or so I'm fine. Why do you think we don't have members here that's have been here a decade? It's quite easy to walk away from and EVERYONE does eventually. The only thing I'm addicted to here is Meso and the bros I've met.


I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with y'all. I stand corrected and I'm no better then your average junkie

In no way am I trying to disrespect anyone here. We all have our beliefs. Like Marcus said, I'll do me.

Friend, you are reactionary towards this, very reminiscent of an addict defending his drug usage.... I didn't want to argue with you, or take it to personal attacks... You did. So, I'm out on this one. Wasn't the intent.

 

[Whoremoans]

Odie I have a lot of respect for you man but just a month or so ago you went to a doctor and were told you have health complications from using AAS. Thickened blood, an enlarged spleen, and something else if I'm not mistaken? Within these couple months you've already started another cycle. I'm not trying to start an argument but I just don't understand how you don't see the addictive traits there. You're putting your health on the back burner for AAS and you believe they're not an addiction?

 

[OdieM]

Friend, you are reactionary towards this, very reminiscent of an addict defending his drug usage.... I didn't want to argue with you, or take it to personal attacks... You did. So, I'm out on this one. Wasn't the intent.

Lol I said no disrespect and youve had a log going for a while now stating everything I just said. its all public info.

 

[Whoremoans]

I mean no disrespect, you know I'm also recovering from abusing the hard shit. There's no comparison between AAS and crack, meth, heroin, etc. but I'm being realistic about it.

 

[Wunderpus]

Lol I said no disrespect and youve had a log going for a while now stating everything I just said. its all public info.

I understand that. But you and I both know your tone was far from friendly.... Like I said, the last thing I wanted to do was get into an argument about it. From the outside looking in, AAS usage looks awfully reminiscent of drug usage. That is my opinion... You're entitled to your own as well.

 

[OdieM]

Odie I have a lot of respect for you man but just a month or so ago you went to a doctor and were told you have health complications from using AAS. Thickened blood, an enlarged spleen, and something else if I'm not mistaken? Within these couple months you've already started another cycle. I'm not trying to start an argument but I just don't understand how you don't see the addictive traits there. You're putting your health on the back burner for AAS and you believe they're not an addiction?

Wow! I had health issues from aas? I believe I canceled my show due to some health issues which had nothing to do with aas.

 

[OdieM]

I understand that. But you and I both know your tone was far from friendly.... Like I said, the last thing I wanted to do was get into an argument about it. From the outside looking in, AAS usage looks awfully reminiscent of drug usage. That is my opinion... You're entitled to your own as well.

I really didn't mean to come off that way. You and me talk a lot and have both helped each other out. I consider you a friend and sorry for my tone bro.

 

[Wunderpus]

I really didn't mean to come off that way. You and me talk a lot and have both helped each other out. I consider you a friend and sorry for my tone bro.

Glad it was clarified. Like I said, never meant to rile you up. I know addiction is a touchy subject for those who have been through it.

 

[Whoremoans]

Wow! I had health issues from aas? I believe I canceled my show due to some health issues which had nothing to do with aas.

I can't remember what thread it was in but I'm just going by what you said back when you posted about it man. I mean hell taking gear has made my bloodwork go out of whack, and got my blood pressure to 160/120 and I still continue to use against my better judgement.

 

[Oregongearhead]

You better believe AAS is mind altering . And body altering .
Increased temper/aggression comes from the brain being altered. Just like laughing/feeling good while getting high when normally you wouldnt feel this good . Both are examples of a brain on drugs . Just different receptors from what I see . Never fool yourself into thinking AAS is safe , its not . It also creates a whole bunch of problems different than narcotics/alcohol .

 

[OdieM]

Everyone has made some good points. Truth be told, I've been fighting this in my head for sometime. It would be one thing if I was prescribed T by a doc and didn't abuse it but I buy it just like any street drug and for me that's what makes it dangerous. It's not so much the effects cause like I stated I have vitamins that are stronger. Yeah yeah tren is a hell of a drug. That's more then likely why I run it every cycle. I came searching for answers for my low T and it didn't take me long to self diagnose myself. i have tried alcohol and synthetic weed before and immediately it woke the beast up and I ran back to speed and lost myself and my life all over again. I was scared to death of messing with aas and didn't touch it until 2 years after being sober. Once I did it didn't get me high and I found that I had to train and eat till I was absolutely fucking miserable to see gainz. To me that's what makes it mild. Now if the publics perception was true and I turned into the hulk over night then yeah it would be a bit different. I don't feel like aas help me get the extra rep in the sense that they are super drugs. I get the extra rep cause I feel that slight pip in my ass and tell myself to get one more cause of what that pip is from. I totally see where y'all are coming from and if I could smoke weed believe me I would. I use to love that shit but I can't Been there and tried that and it turns out very bad for me. It's to much of an instant gratification. I've actually got 3 bottles of expired Norco's because I'm scared to death of them. On the bottle it said take 3x a day for pain and I took 1 pill a day for 2-3 days and just quit. You see I was prescribed it and didn't abuse it. Until I get prescribed T and don't abuse it then I guess I am in the wrong here.

This subject is very touchy for me. I know everyone has their demons. I am a walking talking miracle. My disease took me to a place I hope no one ever experiences. I was literally the guy who would walk up to you at a gas pump and beg for money for my next fix. At that time I had a job and made over 1000 a week I believe and I was broke just a few hours after getting paid and begging and stealing for my next fix. So when I get called a drug addict or someone's puts this in the same category as crack then yeah it offends me a bit. Sorry for the long ass post but this is a bit personal for me especially since I'm coming to terms with things. In all seriousness, I never sucked dick for crack.

 

[Wunderpus]

Everyone has made some good points. Truth be told, I've been fighting this in my head for sometime. It would be one thing if I was prescribed T by a doc and didn't abuse it but I buy it just like any street drug and for me that's what makes it dangerous. It's not so much the effects cause like I stated I have vitamins that are stronger. Yeah yeah tren is a hell of a drug. That's more then likely why I run it every cycle. I came searching for answers for my low T and it didn't take me long to self diagnose myself. i have tried alcohol and synthetic weed before and immediately it woke the beast up and I ran back to speed and lost myself and my life all over again. I was scared to death of messing with aas and didn't touch it until 2 years after being sober. Once I did it didn't get me high and I found that I had to train and eat till I was absolutely fucking miserable to see gainz. To me that's what makes it mild. Now if the publics perception was true and I turned into the hulk over night then yeah it would be a bit different. I don't feel like aas help me get the extra rep in the sense that they are super drugs. I get the extra rep cause I feel that slight pip in my ass and tell myself to get one more cause of what that pip is from. I totally see where y'all are coming from and if I could smoke weed believe me I would. I use to love that shit but I can't Been there and tried that and it turns out very bad for me. It's to much of an instant gratification. I've actually got 3 bottles of expired Norco's because I'm scared to death of them. On the bottle it said take 3x a day for pain and I took 1 pill a day for 2-3 days and just quit. You see I was prescribed it and didn't abuse it. Until I get prescribed T and don't abuse it then I guess I am in the wrong here.

This subject is very touchy for me. I know everyone has their demons. I am a walking talking miracle. My disease took me to a place I hope no one ever experiences. I was literally the guy who would walk up to you at a gas pump and beg for money for my next fix. At that time I had a job and made over 1000 a week I believe and I was broke just a few hours after getting paid and begging and stealing for my next fix. So when I get called a drug addict or someone's puts this in the same category as crack then yeah it offends me a bit. Sorry for the long ass post but this is a bit personal for me especially since I'm coming to terms with things. In all seriousness, I never sucked dick for crack.

The last sentence is the most important part, thank you for clarifying.

 

[boodecarlo]

I think we all have addictive personalities in some forms or another. That's what drives us to do what we do & take it a step farther than most.

 

[napaulm]

i just made a 24k order yesterday, u know, for the spring and start of summer.
today, it was back and bis. i was strong,,man.
until i ripped my bicep tendon off my right shoulder. ripped that fucker off. good news is i have a pretty biceps peak. and i have an extra head left.
bad news is everything else. and the fuckin pain all thru my right side.
i did the same thing to my left biceps back in 09 so i know whats in store. the doc told me then i still have the stronger head left so its more aesthetic than necessary for surgery. still. my good mood is completely trashed. god. fuckin. damn.
i got the jug o'vodka in the freezer but that road will get bumpy fast.