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Wow!! You made a thread to tell everyone about your soberity but truth be told that you're only sober because you're on paper and forced to be? You've relapsed but don't count it? You've got reservations about smoking pot 11 months from now? GTFOH. Fucking bs you made a recovery thread. Some of us are the real deal. Been sober since 9-1-11 with no hiccups and no reservations.
Well first of all bro I do take my recovery very seriously.... I was a meth addict.... my suposidly relapse was having a couple beers whend my buddies got back from Afghanistan 3 weeks ago..... word got back to my po because I live in a small town and when he asked me about it I was honest...... if u call that a relapse then whatever but to me a fucking relapse is going back to a fucking drug u were addicted to ..... as for pot.... if u read my thread I was completely honest about my opinion on pot...... it's the safest drug out there imo..... I could go to the va and get endless scripts for benzos because I have ptsd.... to me that is more of a threat than a little pot.... so do I plan on smoking when I'm not on paper? Dam right..... if that in any way says I'm not serious about my recovery from meth and other hard drugs then I'm sorry but I strongly disagree...
 
Thanks to the fellas who have been there, done that (Odie, Whoremoans, my dude EBK) for the insight from your side.

I guess, in my mind, I kinda feel like all of us using AAS illegally are addicts in the sense that we partake in procuring and using substances that have potential health risks and very real legal risks, yet we continue "to use".

I know there are health risks. I know I am more likely to be unfaithful to my wife when everything with tits and ass becomes a candidate for receiving my cock when your walking around half erect all day. I know my wife and kids could possibly be without hubby and daddy (and me without them) if I got popped.

Yet here I am, buying and "using" despite those risks.

It may be addiction on a different level for various reasons, but I still feel like there are very real addictive traits driving my love affair with AAS.

Just random thoughts on the topic..
 
Thanks to the fellas who have been there, done that (Odie, Whoremoans, my dude EBK) for the insight from your side.

I guess, in my mind, I kinda feel like all of us using AAS illegally are addicts in the sense that we partake in procuring and using substances that have potential health risks and very real legal risks, yet we continue "to use".

I know there are health risks. I know I am more likely to be unfaithful to my wife when everything with tits and ass becomes a candidate for receiving my cock when your walking around half erect all day. I know my wife and kids could possibly be without hubby and daddy (and me without them) if I got popped.

Yet here I am, buying and "using" despite those risks.

It may be addiction on a different level for various reasons, but I still feel like there are very real addictive traits driving my love affair with AAS.

Just random thoughts on the topic..
 
Well first of all bro I do take my recovery very seriously.... I was a meth addict.... my suposidly relapse was having a couple beers whend my buddies got back from Afghanistan 3 weeks ago..... word got back to my po because I live in a small town and when he asked me about it I was honest...... if u call that a relapse then whatever but to me a fucking relapse is going back to a fucking drug u were addicted to ..... as for pot.... if u read my thread I was completely honest about my opinion on pot...... it's the safest drug out there imo..... I could go to the va and get endless scripts for benzos because I have ptsd.... to me that is more of a threat than a little pot.... so do I plan on smoking when I'm not on paper? Dam right..... if that in any way says I'm not serious about my recovery from meth and other hard drugs then I'm sorry but I strongly disagree...

Cool story. Yes, when you claim to be sober and you have a few beers you just relapsed. Let me make it clear, were you sober the whole time from the date you said you got sober? NO. That is a relapse. I get it, your one of those guys on paper. Been in this shit for a while. Actually relapsed 3x myself. So when I say I've been sober 4+ years you should know that I've been in the program for around 6. Yes there is a program since apparently you're not aware.
 
I agree 100%..... someone else already said they don't depend on a as to get by but they love the feeling when on.... as an addict I feel like I traded the bad for the good imo..... health risks yes..... risk of jail yes .... but the big thing is mood or mind altering substance...... anyone who has run high levels of test would be lying to themselves if they said it doesn't alter ur mood and mind...... ugly girls become less ugly...... confrontation comes easier than it does off test.... even the way we feel changes..... more manly more confident.... maybe that's just me but I really don't think so....
 
If you're going to be that technical then it should be pointed out that he hasn't relapsed on his addiction, he may not have lost his sobriety after a few beers since sobriety and abstinence are two separate things and he never admitted to being drunk, and that you if you wish to argue the relapse on sobriety knowing this, then you've been continually doing the same and are not sober yourself since you abuse AAS.
 
@Ryno1980 look you're you and I'm me. I could careless what you do but being as I'm an active recovery addict and the only way I keep my soberity is by spreading what was so freely given to me I have to shut you down. When you make soberity threads or come in here and say your sober but you got drunk and you can't wait till you can smoke weed is dangerous. Some of us are actually sick human beings and can't think like that and don't need to hear it. That's the kinda shit that took me out after 8 months of soberity. I thought since it was legal weed and I bought it at a gas station that it was ok. I was wrong and sold my roommates TV that week.
 
If you're going to be that technical then it should be pointed out that he hasn't relapsed on his addiction, he may not have lost his sobriety after a few beers since sobriety and abstinence are two separate things, and that you if you wish to argue the relapse on sobriety knowing this, then you've been continually doing the same and are not sober yourself since you abuse AAS.

@brutus79 can you have 1 beer, toke, pill, etc..??

I get it y'all don't suffer the disease of addiction so it's easy to read something out of a book or off the web. If I touch anything that alters my mind then I just woke the beast up and he don't like to be woke up. It's truly Dr.jekl and Mr.Hyde. A switch gets flipped that can't be unflipped until I've had enough misery
 
Cool story. Yes, when you claim to be sober and you have a few beers you just relapsed. Let me make it clear, were you sober the whole time from the date you said you got sober? NO. That is a relapse. I get it, your one of those guys on paper. Been in this shit for a while. Actually relapsed 3x myself. So when I say I've been sober 4+ years you should know that I've been in the program for around 6. Yes there is a program since apparently you're not aware.
Not gonna argue with you about this brother... I have a lot of respect for you and I think u know that...... however we are allowed to disagree..... everyone's story is different.... circumstances are different... motives are different..... if u assume by what I post that I'm just that guy riding out that paper then u don't really know me..... where I've been vs where you have been.... it's all about where I'm going brother.... we have all been there and have our own idea of hell..... my life is good now.... I love my life..... I don't depend on drugs to get by and I don't use... ... my recovery is about much more than drugs bro.... but I wouldn't expect u to understand that because u don't know where I've been.... and yes I'm very aware of the program...... I'm there 4 days a week and unlike a lot of peeps Atleast I'm honest about my recovery...
 
Thanks to the fellas who have been there, done that (Odie, Whoremoans, my dude EBK) for the insight from your side.

I guess, in my mind, I kinda feel like all of us using AAS illegally are addicts in the sense that we partake in procuring and using substances that have potential health risks and very real legal risks, yet we continue "to use".

I know there are health risks. I know I am more likely to be unfaithful to my wife when everything with tits and ass becomes a candidate for receiving my cock when your walking around half erect all day. I know my wife and kids could possibly be without hubby and daddy (and me without them) if I got popped.

Yet here I am, buying and "using" despite those risks.

It may be addiction on a different level for various reasons, but I still feel like there are very real addictive traits driving my love affair with AAS.

Just random thoughts on the topic..
I feel the same way brother. Been thinking about that for some time.
 
@Ryno1980 look you're you and I'm me. I could careless what you do but being as I'm an active recovery addict and the only way I keep my soberity is by spreading what was so freely given to me I have to shut you down. When you make soberity threads or come in here and say your sober but you got drunk and you can't wait till you can smoke weed is dangerous. Some of us are actually sick human beings and can't think like that and don't need to hear it. That's the kinda shit that took me out after 8 months of soberity. I thought since it was legal weed and I bought it at a gas station that it was ok. I was wrong and sold my roommates TV that week.
I get that.... I understand what u are saying and I apologize for saying something that bothered you.... but look our stories are different... hell maybe I'm not an addict.... dude I went on a 2 year bing of whatever I could get because I couldn't handle the real world when I got home from iraq..... maybe it was just a fucking thing.... prior I never touched drugs and I drank socially on ocasion. ..do I look at things differently than you... sure.... if I use meth again am I fucked... sure..... I know that and I choose not to go there... that is recovery to me... knowing where I can and can't go.... so yes I relapsed because I drank 3 beers.... got it..... did it send me out on one..... not hardly....
 
I get that.... I understand what u are saying and I apologize for saying something that bothered you.... but look our stories are different... hell maybe I'm not an addict.... dude I went on a 2 year bing of whatever I could get because I couldn't handle the real world when I got home from iraq..... maybe it was just a fucking thing.... prior I never touched drugs and I drank socially on ocasion. ..do I look at things differently than you... sure.... if I use meth again am I fucked... sure..... I know that and I choose not to go there... that is recovery to me... knowing where I can and can't go.... so yes I relapsed because I drank 3 beers.... got it..... did it send me out on one..... not hardly....

Exactly what I was thinking. I don't believe your an addict because you got high for 2 years. That basically sounds like everyone else in the world. Lol I had 2 years of SOLID SOBERITY before I ever even thought about aas. Shit I was scared of bourbon chicken because of the name. An addict would never say " maybe I'm not one". You either are or your not. I've watched a lot of friends and family die from this disease. When your an addict you hate yourself and always say I'm gonna quit and you just can't. It took me and many others loosing our family, friends and material things to hit bottom. Sounds like you got put on probation and told to quit so you did. An addict couldn't of
 
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@brutus79 can you have 1 beer, toke, pill, etc..??

I get it y'all don't suffer the disease of addiction so it's easy to read something out of a book or off the web. If I touch anything that alters my mind then I just woke the beast up and he don't like to be woke up. It's truly Dr.jekl and Mr.Hyde. A switch gets flipped that can't be unflipped until I've had enough misery

Odie I think you're a good dude which is why I respond accordingly to you but please don't make the assumption that I've never battled addiction. I have used and abused almost every drug you can name except crack and heroin and just bc I wish not to talk about it publicly doesn't mean I haven't faced the same demons you do. Yes I've read up a lot on addiction and much of what I've learned about it academically is from my readings but I've walked the walk so to speak and my comments are a blend of experience and reading.

Your demon is worse than mine. You cannot touch anything without resorting to past behaviors. I, whether fortunate or unfortunate, can and have learned the signs to know when I'm going down that beaten path again and what needs to be done to avoid it.

The "legal" weed you're talking about, if it's what I think it is, is nothing like actual cannabis. With all my problems I still use cannabis regularly to help with other issues. Can it be an issue for some? You damn right it can be. But not for everyone or even most.

I totally understand why you said what you said. You feel it undermines the efforts you've put into your own recovery. You feel as if this type of behavior can put you right back to square one. You've faced a demon that will never completely leave you and to see someone talk about weed so freely and shit bothers you. I get it. But please understand that not everyone faces your same demon. Theirs maybe something similar but not the same so each case must be dealt with individually IMO.

I guess part of the issue and reason I responded was bc we have an entire thread dedicated to addiction and many other threads touch on it and people freely gloat/reminisce about what they've done in the past but no one says anything in those threads. I guess I felt this guy was unfairly singled out. Also, if we are truly honest with ourselves, we are all not sober bc we abuse AAS and we know AAS can affect our mentality and psyche. For proof, just think back to your posts on fina and how it made you more aggressive.

Bottom line is I meant you no disrespect just pointing out what stuck out at me. I respect you for batikg your demon and doing what's necessary to stay away from your triggers. If I'm being honest, I do and still have slip ups so where your battle is basically flat lined in that you avoid things completely (note I'm not saying your battle is done) mine has flare ups. Again, respect for doing what you do. Keep it up and stay clean.
 
Exactly what I was thinking. I don't believe your an addict because you got high for 2 years. That basically sounds like everyone else in the world. Lol I had 2 years of SOLID SOBERITY before I ever even thought about aas. Shit I was scared of bourbon chicken because of the name. An addict would never say " maybe I'm not one". You either are or your not. I've watched a lot of friends and family die from this disease. When your an addict you hate yourself and always say I'm gonna quit and you just can't. It took me and many others loosing are family, friends and material things to hit bottom. Sounds like you got put on probation and told to quit so you did. An addict couldn't of
lol.. actually I went to prison for 2 years and decided I didn't want to go back.. then I got put on parole and have decided I don't much like it either... I see what you are saying and where you are coming from.. I do go to meetings and truthfully I don't fucking feel like I belong there.. but ive heard the stories about what people go through so I do get it.. and when I said I wanted to be a fucking pot head when I get off parole that was sort of a joke... but like Docd said there are worse things out there... Even the va is researching medical marijuana for veterans with ptsd.. the point I was trying to make is instead of loading up on Xanax or valium when im overwhelmed with life shit.. I think it would be nice to be able to smoke instead.. that's just me...
 
I've had my run with most of the fun drugs but none ever became an addiction. AAS is certainly a killer on my wallet though
 
How bout everyone just works their own program? Go to an NA/AA meeting, raise your hand and tell everyone you shoot fucking steroids into your muscles and take pills that are not prescribed to you, and see how they accept you.

Bottom line is we each work and define our own. If anything about someone else's sobriety is affecting anything with yours mentally or physically, then I would say look at yourself first...
 
How bout everyone just works their own program? Go to an NA/AA meeting, raise your hand and tell everyone you shoot fucking steroids into your muscles and take pills that are not prescribed to you, and see how they accept you.

Bottom line is we each work and define our own. If anything about someone else's sobriety is affecting anything with yours mentally or physically, then I would say look at yourself first...

Marcus, dropping in and dropping the truth!

I keep hitting the "like" button trying to give your comment 100 likes but it still only let's me like your comment 1 time.
 
Marcus, dropping in and dropping the truth!

I keep hitting the "like" button trying to give your comment 100 likes but it still only let's me like your comment 1 time.
Lol! I'm not trying to be a dick. I get where Odie is coming from completely, but at the same time it would be hypocritical to think this way about anyone else with their sobriety considering most of our stance on steroid use while recovering. And time means nothing, sober in '08 and my words don't mean more or less cause of my time but their merit... The fact that Odie has 5ish years shows he's working a program that works for him and that's what matters
 
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