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man, i thought it was just me. i used brand name tramadols and then got some generics and there was a definite difference, i was up to 40 pills a day at one point and id say if they were the brand name ones ida been dead from serotonin syndrome seizures. there were nights id literally spasm and spring up off the bed. either way, quitting vicodins and trams was hell regardless of the brand.
Ya these fucking doctors prescribe u tramadol because it's suposidly safer than an opioid based pain med.... worst fucking withdrawal I have ever been through was eating 20 to 30 a day for 3 or 4 months and then dried up...... wanted to fucking kill myself.... switched to meth literally just to get through the fucking withdrawal of those fucking pills..... drugs were fun but they fucking suck..... I'd take test ...tren and all the other goodies over going back that way any day...
 
Ya these fucking doctors prescribe u tramadol because it's suposidly safer than an opioid based pain med.... worst fucking withdrawal I have ever been through was eating 20 to 30 a day for 3 or 4 months and then dried up...... wanted to fucking kill myself.... switched to meth literally just to get through the fucking withdrawal of those fucking pills..... drugs were fun but they fucking suck..... I'd take test ...tren and all the other goodies over going back that way any day...
Tramadol is still an opioid but it's a "synthetic opioid" and it has potentially more dangerous side effect than the good opioids. Can't hardly get a buzz off the shit and in high doses you risk seizures and serotonin syndrome if I'm not mistaken. Bullshit.
 
Yes and no. If you invested BILLIONS (with a B) into developing a new drug, and then getting it passed through all the red tape and government BS, you'd expect to be able to then recoup that investment in somewhat of a timely manner. By preventing generic companies from copying the drug right away, you are allowing the company that took all of the financial risk (and expenditure of cash that could have been being used for other purposes) to recoup that investment.

As a consumer, it does suck not to have a generic alternative for a while, but not having some of these drugs developed in the first place, would suck more.

And, no, I do not work for a pharmaceutical company! ;)
No I completely agree with that. For people to invest in R&D in the pharma world there has to be some kind of lucrative return because there is so much risk. the absurdity with the industry is that the patent can be held up for ONE type of treatment and someone can make generics of the same for another treatment.
 
Ya these fucking doctors prescribe u tramadol because it's suposidly safer than an opioid based pain med.... worst fucking withdrawal I have ever been through was eating 20 to 30 a day for 3 or 4 months and then dried up...... wanted to fucking kill myself.... switched to meth literally just to get through the fucking withdrawal of those fucking pills..... drugs were fun but they fucking suck..... I'd take test ...tren and all the other goodies over going back that way any day...

dude, its why i got locked up in a "mental health" facility. i was suicidal and talking about it ,slept with a .357 magnum, had one in my glove compartment, and had a sawed off 12 so id make sure i could kill myself whenever i wanted. and next thing i knew 3 deputies hauled me away. the thing is, it hits the same receptors as codeine, so u get those withdrawals as well as, for me, clinical depression and 24 hour a day anxiety attacks due to zero serotonin and norepenephrine. godam man. i eventually quit til i met a chick who was an opiate addict and i went right back. id like to say im clean, but nope. ive been on pills, vodka, or kratom ever since.
oh, and damn well it got me high. it was some of the best feelings i ever had. 3 hours could go by with me staring out the window . i loved it.
 
Well, bodybuilding actually reminded me of the life I had b4 the freaking meth and drugs and hoes got me. I say FUCK to over training and started spending 1.5-2+ hours in the gym, planning my diet, anything to get off the fucking meth. I was not meth addict as much as sex addict. After long time in the gym, I finally started doing cycle and first time in 4 fucking years, I have been meth, coke, ectacy, anything gets you high free for more than 60+ days. Even my boss was like damn, good work. Fuck, bodybuilding and anabolic steroid got my life back. Thank you. I wish I had never side tracked in the first place. Stupid, stupid, stupid, wish I can get back last 10+ yrs of my life!
 
dude, its why i got locked up in a "mental health" facility. i was suicidal and talking about it ,slept with a .357 magnum, had one in my glove compartment, and had a sawed off 12 so id make sure i could kill myself whenever i wanted. and next thing i knew 3 deputies hauled me away. the thing is, it hits the same receptors as codeine, so u get those withdrawals as well as, for me, clinical depression and 24 hour a day anxiety attacks due to zero serotonin and norepenephrine. godam man. i eventually quit til i met a chick who was an opiate addict and i went right back. id like to say im clean, but nope. ive been on pills, vodka, or kratom ever since.
oh, and damn well it got me high. it was some of the best feelings i ever had. 3 hours could go by with me staring out the window . i loved it.
I feel ya man.. I waited until I was 30 years old to get all fucked around on drugs.. first pills then meth... I been sober for 28 months minus one fuck up I don't count simply because I don't want to fucking count it.. lol.. its fucking hard bro.. Parole makes it a little easier tho...lol... but in 11 months when im off paper I will officially become a pot head.... well a weight lifting testosterone and tren infused pot head... lol..
 
Well, bodybuilding actually reminded me of the life I had b4 the freaking meth and drugs and hoes got me. I say FUCK to over training and started spending 1.5-2+ hours in the gym, planning my diet, anything to get off the fucking meth. I was not meth addict as much as sex addict. After long time in the gym, I finally started doing cycle and first time in 4 fucking years, I have been meth, coke, ectacy, anything gets you high free for more than 60+ days. Even my boss was like damn, good work. Fuck, bodybuilding and anabolic steroid got my life back. Thank you. I wish I had never side tracked in the first place. Stupid, stupid, stupid, wish I can get back last 10+ yrs of my life!
Sex addict is right bro... and sex and meth go side by side... dirtiest fucking ive ever done on that shit... well until I ran tren and test... im way more fucked up sexually now than I ever was on meth... I love it...
 
I feel ya man.. I waited until I was 30 years old to get all fucked around on drugs.. first pills then meth... I been sober for 28 months minus one fuck up I don't count simply because I don't want to fucking count it.. lol.. its fucking hard bro.. Parole makes it a little easier tho...lol... but in 11 months when im off paper I will officially become a pot head.... well a weight lifting testosterone and tren infused pot head... lol..

Wow!! You made a thread to tell everyone about your soberity but truth be told that you're only sober because you're on paper and forced to be? You've relapsed but don't count it? You've got reservations about smoking pot 11 months from now? GTFOH. Fucking bs you made a recovery thread. Some of us are the real deal. Been sober since 9-1-11 with no hiccups and no reservations.
 
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Wow!! You made a thread to tell everyone about your soberity but truth be told that you're only sober because you're on paper and forced to be? You've relapsed but don't count it? You've got reservations about smoking pot 11 months from now? GTFOH. Fucking bs you made a recovery thread. Some of us are the real deal. Been sober since 9-1-11 with no hiccups and no reservations.
Not a single day goes by that I don't want to throw back a jug of whisky. I had a very brief relapse not too long ago however, was sober for three years. It's a fucking struggle but it gets easier. Its not a thing to fuck with let alone clown around about. Living a fit lifestyle with realistic goals and a little help from the hormones is a different way of life then that gutter grind.
 
Are you truly sober if you use gear?

I was getting ready to ask the same question, AK. And I am sincerely asking, as I am not an addict/recovering addict.

I always wonder where the line gets drawn on that? Other than the obvious/easy distinction that some would make by referencing that you are still using illegal substances, I am assuming the other side of the argument might be (?) "mind altering VS non-mind altering drugs". But even then, some would argue that there are emotional/psychological effects of using AAS, especially at the doses many of us do. So how is the distinction made that an addict is sober if they are using AAS but not other drugs?

As a preemptive strike, I truly am asking the question, not answering it, nor making a statement or drawing any conclusions.
 
AAS are a substitute for our narcotic abuse. There's no doubt in my mind and if you say otherwise I say you're in denial. But I would rather use something to build myself up and become a better version of myself than something that destroys me. I don't depend on steroids but I do enjoy them and they played a huge roll in my recovery from hardcore drugs.
Edit: but to answer your question, are you sober? Yes. I'm completely sober. Clear headed and motivated. Not tweaked out of my fucking head or nodded out at a stop light.
 
Are you truly sober if you use gear?
Sobriety is relative imo. Anything can be addictive. The gym, gear (not physically but the way you feel) drugs food coffee fucking anything man. The only addictions that are a problem are the ones that get in the way of living your life and damage relationships. You can be addicted to something but it doesn't necessarily mean it's a problem.
 
Are you truly sober if you use gear?
Yep. In no way does gear alter my mind. Addiction is a disease of the mind in case you didn't know. The day I pin oil and it has me looking out my blinds with one in the chamber then we will talk. You should all know that aas isnt some miracle fix that has instant effects. It takes time and dedication to see results. The only aas that I actually even feel is tren. To me it's just something to help me eat a shit ton of food and not get fat.
 
Sobriety is relative imo. Anything can be addictive. The gym, gear (not physically but the way you feel) drugs food coffee fucking anything man. The only addictions that are a problem are the ones that get in the way of living your life and damage relationships. You can be addicted to something but it doesn't necessarily mean it's a problem.
I agree! Chocolate, porn, running, lifting, fucking, skydiving...... it all gives someone a "high". So if you ask me am I truly sober if I us AAS @bickel29 ?? Well not sober from AAS but sober from a worse addiction, that of alcohol. I do get a sort of "high" from being jacked on test and tren. As I also do seeing gains and feeling once heavy weight become my warm up.
 
I was genuinely asking. The definition of addiction is a condition that results when a person ingests a substance or engages in an activity that can be pleasurable but the continued use/act of which becomes compulsive and interferes with ordinary life responsibilities, such as work.
 
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