4th cycle ideas

[EcpertRealistic]

I am baffled at the whole thought process on this one. Mast to gain muscle? Or even lose fat while not running at a Deficit? Come on man. Unless you have tried the cycle I laid out you don’t really know what you’re missing. Lean bulkin

Great cycle indeed. I just too long for my taste (but if u on trt by all means go for it) and I don't like to run test above 100. I gain too much fat on test, but if you can dial the estrogen everything should be fine. Anavar,deca and primo are underrated muscle builders and even more underrated on the fat burning department.

 

[EcpertRealistic]

Why masteron? Is it noticable with high body fat?

If he want to lose fat the last thing he wants to use is test or dbol. In that scenario mast, anavar,deca,winstrol,sdrol,tren or even adrol are better options to run along a low test dose of 100mgs/week.

The reason why most people are fighting back and forth with fat post cycle is test and dbol. If you were running other compounds like the ones mentioned above you will be shredded year round.

Some people don't understand the concept of filling androgen receptors with better compounds at safer dosages and with less side effects

 

[Dr JIM]

I’m only thinking of doing a 12 maybe 14 week cycle max 16 might be to long. Iv ran tren a before at 50 eod

Longer cycle ==== longer HTPA recovery w few exceptions

But if your “blasting and cruising” HTPA recovery won’t matter but the complications may.

 

[FutureMrO]

Then you gotta drop eq

Test e 600wk
Tren a 75 eod week 6-12
Tbol 40mg week 1-4
Var 40mg week 8-12
What do u think of something like this

 

[Dr JIM]

I am baffled at the whole thought process on this one. Mast to gain muscle? Or even lose fat while not running at a Deficit? Come on man. Unless you have tried the cycle I laid out you don’t really know what you’re missing. Lean bulkin

That’s bc @EcpertRealistic comments are neither experience or evidence based, with the end result being a novice cook wo traing or a cookbook who still believes he’s a “chef”.

He's the village troll.

That’s @Eman being kind or perhaps a typo which should read Meso’s village idiot and troll.

Sort of like that fly circling above a dinner table that everyone wants to squash.

 

[Eman]

That’s @Eman being kind or perhaps a typo which should read Meso’s village idiot and troll.

Lol, I've hit him pretty hard in several threads when he pops up. I think he's taken a liking to me, unfortunately... Although, if I pretend I'm his friend for a little while, maybe I can convince him to jump off a bridge.

 

[CJames]

Test e 600wk
Tren a 75 eod week 6-12
Tbol 40mg week 1-4
Var 40mg week 8-12
What do u think of something like this

It is great, you can lower that test if you dont want to get bloat.

 

[FutureMrO]

It is great, you can lower that test if you dont want to get bloat.

Should I run it at 500 a week? As I have the last 3 times?

 

[CJames]

Should I run it at 500 a week? As I have the last 3 times?

If you mean last 3 weeks then yeah, it is better to lower it.

 

[Bigboy727]

If you mean last 3 weeks then yeah, it is better to lower it.

Running lower test in 300-400 won’t strip of any gains in my opinion and from what I hav experienced. Just helps avoiding sides for me.

 

[Dr JIM]

Lol, I've hit him pretty hard in several threads when he pops up. I think he's taken a liking to me, unfortunately... Although, if I pretend I'm his friend for a little while, maybe I can convince him to jump off a bridge.

Well apparently the fall didn’t have the desired impact (pun intended) bc I suggested he get out and up from under that bridge and “go play on the interstate”

Oh the sacrifices we must all make to ensure Meso remains uncensored can be difficult to endure.

How prophetic @Robfromga had him pegged as a trolling village idiot long before many members (including yours truly) realized how deranged, his posts were.


Jim

 

[Robfromga]

Or

Test at 100

Mast at 400

Low dose clen(two weeks at a time)

Anavar

4 weeks of deca to kick-start(more than 4 weeks cause me Deca-Dick)

Here we go again....where are your pics? Remember you said you were in contest prep. Why in the free fucking world would you inject less Testosterone than most make naturally? You want the test levels of a 60 year old? Or is it because you're a liar about everything?

 

[Robfromga]

Well apparently the fall didn’t have the desired impact (pun intended) bc I suggested he get out and up from under that bridge and “go play on the interstate”

Oh the sacrifices we must all make to ensure Meso remains uncensored can be difficult to endure.

How prophetic @Robfromga had him pegged as a trolling village idiot long before many members (including yours truly) realized how deranged, his posts were.


Jim

Thanks @Dr JIM that guy is truly an odd one. I can understand when someone posts advice that's ignorant, but he doubles and triples down on things that make no sense at all.

 

[MaxTheMonster]

Hey guys. I have a question about winstrol. I know that it shuts natural t production but I am guessing that is by suppressing lh and fsh. My question is I am already on a high dose of Hcg, and the signal to make testosterone at this point is coming completely from the Hcg (lh and fsh are shut down already). Will the winstrol still lower my test number?

 

[master.on]

Test e 600wk
Tren a 75 eod week 6-12
Tbol 40mg week 1-4
Var 40mg week 8-12
What do u think of something like this

1 600 mg T and no AI?
Not even some Nolva to block estrogen?

2 Var is mostly useless. If anything, use Tbol again

3 EQ adds to synergy.
While it ain't proven that EQ really increases RBC count much more than other steroids (all steroids do so), you can donate blood by weeks 4 and 8.

4 No HCG?

5 Why not some Adrol instead of Tbol?

 

[master.on]

Test e 600wk
Tren a 75 eod week 6-12
Tbol 40mg week 1-4
Var 40mg week 8-12
What do u think of something like this

1 600 mg T and no AI?
Not even some Nolva to block estrogen?

2 Var is mostly useless. If anything, use Tbol again

3 EQ adds to synergy.
While it ain't proven that EQ really increases RBC count much more than other steroids (all steroids do so), you can donate blood by weeks 4 and 8.

4 Mast adds to synergy too.

5 No HCG?

6 Stop cycle by week 10 if you ain't gaining any further muscle.
There's no point continuing cycle. You'll just make recovery harder.

 

[Robfromga]

Hey guys. I have a question about winstrol. I know that it shuts natural t production but I am guessing that is by suppressing lh and fsh. My question is I am already on a high dose of Hcg, and the signal to make testosterone at this point is coming completely from the Hcg (lh and fsh are shut down already). Will the winstrol still lower my test number?

Are you implying a winny only cycle with testosterone?

 

[FutureMrO]

1 600 mg T and no AI?
Not even some Nolva to block estrogen?

2 Var is mostly useless. If anything, use Tbol again

3 EQ adds to synergy.
While it ain't proven that EQ really increases RBC count much more than other steroids (all steroids do so), you can donate blood by weeks 4 and 8.

4 Mast adds to synergy too.

5 No HCG?

6 Stop cycle by week 10 if you ain't gaining any further muscle.
There's no point continuing cycle. You'll just make recovery harder.

Oops I forgot I do have adex that I’ll be running 0.5 the whole time and nolva pct 40/40/20/20

Might get rid of the var tbh

 

[EcpertRealistic]

Hey guys. I have a question about winstrol. I know that it shuts natural t production but I am guessing that is by suppressing lh and fsh. My question is I am already on a high dose of Hcg, and the signal to make testosterone at this point is coming completely from the Hcg (lh and fsh are shut down already). Will the winstrol still lower my test number?

If your lh and fsh is very low, then adding winstrol should not lower your test levels. Hcg will mimic lh and fsh and you will continue to produce testosterone. Higher hcg dosages results in more side effects, more testosterone and more estrogen.

250ius/twice per week is a proven relative safe long term dosage. Higher dosages can cause leydig cell desensitization and WILL result in lower testosterone levels. Don't burn your balls

 

[ironwill1951]

this is a total mess.
12 weeks of tren and 9 weeks of orals,
do you hate being healthy?

Tren E 400 1-12
Test e 250 1-15
Eq 600 1-14
Abomb 150 1-4
Mast 500 10-16
Var 50-100 16-20