A guide line for all new members?

[ironwill1951]

great job pumpingiron , this is what this board should be all about instead of the bickering and name calling , awesome job,,,,

 

[fokai500]

Good read all on one place.

 

[jesse]

What causes (non infection related) injection pain?

first the shorter the ester, the higher the melting point
secind, the concentration of the gear.
third, the solvents used.
fourth, injecting too quickly
fifth, virgin muscle.

Pain is caused when the oil/solvents are absorbed by the body and crystals are left behind.
Short esters (propionate or acetate) are harder, more painful crystals with melting points in the 100c range.
A hormone with a longer esters (excluding cypionate - cyp is long but also high melting point) can have a melting point in the 20c-40c range. not far off from human body temp.

Pain is also caused by concentration of your gear.
Building off of point 1: Let's say it takes the body 24 hours to absorb 1mL of a certain oil/solvent blend, and 24 hours to absorb 50mg of Testosterone Propionate. If 50mg (or less) of testosterone propionate is in 1mL of that oil, this injection should be painless. On the other hand, if 100mg of testosterone propionate is in that same 1mL of solution, then after 24 hours the body will have absorbed 50mg and 1mL, leaving 50mg behind in the injection area, crystalized and painful.
Its better to shoot 3mL of 50mg/mL Testosterone Propionate than 1mL of 150mg/mL Testosterone Propionate.
This is also why water based suspensions (Testosterone base/no ester, Winstrol ) hurt the most, water is very easily absorbed in the body

The solvents used can cause pain in 2 ways. Benzyl alcohol (BA) is used at 1%-2% as a preservative and antiseptic. If the alcohol content is too high the gear will burn. Pain in the first 24 hours is usually caused by heavy solvents, pain in the next few hours is usually cause by crystalization. Another way is a bad recipe. if someone used 2% BA, and the rest of the solution oil, the mg/mL would have to be low due to oil's weak ability to hold crystals. On the other hand, a recipe like 2% BA, 5% Guaiacol (super solvent), 10% Benzyl Salicylate (liquid asprin) with the filler split 50:50 between Ethyl Oleate (oil/solvent hybrid) and normal oil should be far less painful.

If you inject too quickly it can tear tissue.

If your muscle is new to the hormone, it will absorb the hormone very slowly, but absorb the oil/solvent very quickly. This will cause more crystalization and pain. As your muscles recognize the hormones, they will be absorbed more quickly, thus less pain. The deeper you inject into the center of a muscle group, the better.

How do I prevent pain before I inject?

Cut your shots 50:50 with sterile filtered oil. If you want to use 50mg of Testosterone Propionate, and you have 100mg/mL Testosterone Propionate- pull 0.5mL of your test prop, and 0.5mL of sterile filtered oil to shoot 1mL of 50mg/mL Testosterone Propionate. This is the #1 best way.
Dont bother with b-12, its water based- absorbed so quickly it will have little to no impact.

Before you shoot, it can help to warm your gear some (especially suspensions). You could put the vial in the bathroom sink and let hot water run over the vial for 2 minutes, and shake well. This will lower the oils viscosity also making it easier it pull into the syringe.

Inject slowly, take 30 seconds per mL. Use a 25g pin to inject so it forces you to move slowly.

If none of these work you could have dirty gear. Its possible there could be particles (although bacteriostatic) in the gear that are not causing infection, but still cause in site infection that made it through a filter.

i tryed t400 and test e both gave me lots or pain my muscle became hard and my sholder swolen for a week can i be alergic to all gear.

 

[Fouts]

I'm gonna be late to work from reading that but it should be pinned at the top of the board immediately! Great stuff man! Thanks for taking the time to put that out there.

 

[jhulk]

Bump

 

[pumpingiron22]

Thanks

 

[jhulk]

Thanks

Very good info sir, thank you

 

[Roc050]

Thank you for that, I for one needed it I'm new here and new to this, gathering all info on this and putting things together takes time and could be overwhelming in the beginning, at the same time your anxious to get started so for some they may jump the gun and run right into it asking questions about sources, instead of things that should b done in a professional way and by doing your homework and starting with the right foundation
So thank you

 

[Big C]

Awesome read. going to be pinning for future reference. Thanks Pi for taking the time to post

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

Thank you for the post, just some great info in one spot. Bravo

 

[eminem93]

I have newb question... I have a bottle of test I uncapped and pierced the rubber stopper to test the gear out... now I have injury and cant use my boytle of test.. will this bottle of test be able to sit for 3 months in plastic bag and still be g2g after my injry is healed?

 

[eminem93]

I would think the benzoyl alcohol in it would keep bacteria killed

 

[Blacken]

It's great info I think there should be a rule where certain below a certain rank members can't vouch or disclaim a source.

Just saying to many members come in with 5 post under their belt like source is g2g. -When asked deeper you find out this new member got a package in the mail didn't even use the gear.

Among the countless shills that appear to vouch for a new source

Then you get the occasional newb that buys gear has a shit diet and doesn't train worth a dam makes no gains. He will say a good source is shit meanwhile it's the person expecting instant results with no work (gear is not a magic pill).

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

I have newb question... I have a bottle of test I uncapped and pierced the rubber stopper to test the gear out... now I have injury and cant use my boytle of test.. will this bottle of test be able to sit for 3 months in plastic bag and still be g2g after my injry is healed?

I asked a rather large gear head I know, said to wipe the bottle with an alky swab and vacuum seal it, will be good to go. Keep it in the dark. Dunno myself but he seemed to had been in same situation before.

 

[Boilermech]

I have newb question... I have a bottle of test I uncapped and pierced the rubber stopper to test the gear out... now I have injury and cant use my boytle of test.. will this bottle of test be able to sit for 3 months in plastic bag and still be g2g after my injry is healed?

Brother I labmax my gear then set it back in my briefcase full of goodies under my bed till I'm ready to use them. Could be several months down the road. It isn't going to bother it any brother I do it all the time.

 

[pumpingiron22]

Is the bottle top fully open?

 

[eminem93]

Is the bottle top fully open?

What do u mean? Just the plastic sealer is off, and the rubber stopper is pierced. But everything else is still in place

 

[mghoward74]

^^^^ your fine ^^^^

 

[JD70]

Man this is great, answers some questions for me, thanks PI! I'm confused about 1 thing- the use of AI. It says early to use nolva 10mg ed during cycle is better than using AI, but also that arimidex on cycle is good (both for preventing gyno). I've heard both, and actually use exem on cycle myself, but definitely want to get this part right and avoid gyno. Thanks again, this is kick a__! [emoji2]

 

[Big Mike]

Excellent work @pumpingiron22!!! This is a ton of great info, all in one place!!! Super nice brother!!!


Big Mike