Hey everyone! I was out of pocket with family all weekend. I will review the assays and get them posted a little later today if time permits. Thanks for understanding.
mands
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Totally agree. Thank you for your work @Dr JIM and @mands. Keep the worthwhile info coming. Next time I will ignore the trolls.Yea I understand but just the same lets limit interpersonal conflicts to PMs or another thread bc attempts to settle disputes on an evidence based thread serves NO COLLECTIVE PURPOSE and only creates an unnecessary and unwanted distraction.
THX
The Grey Top from TP 10 iu vial donated by a MESO member.SAMPLE --- - -- - 00
Godtropin 24iu vials donated by a MESO member.SAMPLE --------- 26
Godtropin 24iu vials donated by a MESO member.SAMPLE ---------- 27
Green Top Hyges 8 iu donated by a MESO member.SAMPLE -------- 28
Godtropin 24 iu vials donated by a MESO member.SAMPLE ---------- 43
Black Top Meditrope from TP and Donated by MESO member.SAMPLE------ E
Pharmtropin from Pharmacom 10 iu vial donated by MESO member.SAMPLE ----- F
SAMPLE ------- X
Black Top Meditrope from TP 10 iu vial batch #17 donated by mands.SAMPLE ---------- Y
Godtropin 24 iu vials donated by mands.SAMPLE -------- Z (Note this sample is pending an Trypsin cleavage LC/MS bc the amino acid ratio is not entirely consistent with rHGH)
I would strongly suggest the donor obtain a baseline IGF and a repeat IGF several weeks thereafter to determine it's in-vivo efficacy.
Well, I see some say they have over 5mg of hgh in them. standard is supposed to be 3.3mg. one has just over 2.8mg. but what about quality? I'm sure with all this testing there must be a way to determine quality, right? I have no idea what I'm looking at here other than the mg aspect.
And I've answered that question on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS these are QUANTITATIVE ASSAYS primarily
And exclusive of an Trypsin cleavage LC/MS, the most reliable means of determining QUALITY is to obtain IGF VALUES and compare those results to PHARMA at identical dosages.
And of the 3-4 patients I'm following the difference IS CONSIDERABLE! (Yea I know that's a limited number of patients)
Maybe a generic manufacturer will post some of their LC/MS data NOT!
Well, I see some say they have over 5mg of hgh in them. standard is supposed to be 3.3mg. one has just over 2.8mg. but what about quality? I'm sure with all this testing there must be a way to determine quality, right? I have no idea what I'm looking at here other than the mg aspect.
Thank you, Dr Jim. and thanks for your hard work. much appreciated.Spend some time comparing the Amino Acid molar concentrations of each sample to that of the USP standard.
The Tech simplifies it already and highlights significant variances from the norm on EACH worksheet!
Thank you to Dr JIM and mands for all you two have done here , i and im sure everybody else , appreciate the incredible contribution you have made to the entire meso community , especially those of us interested in finding good quality affordable GH.
B
Lmao. I was like "hey, Mr B asked the same question as me", lol.Imagine how surprised i was to come here and see what the good Doctor had to say, only to be confused as the post i was quoted in wasnt me at all.but i was a bit concerned at first cause i had no recollection of posting this and thought i might be loosing my mind lol!!
The post was made by Xkawn.
The USP standard is human serum albumin. How can it be used to compare amino acid concentrations to hgh? I am asking this question to learn not cause I think I know something.Spend some time comparing the Amino Acid molar concentrations of each sample to that of the USP standard.
The Tech simplifies it already and highlights significant variances from the norm on EACH worksheet!
Thank you, Dr Jim. and thanks for your hard work. much appreciated.
A pharma sample would make this much easier. I appreciate @mands and your effortMaybe this will help:
PRINT A COPY OF SAMPLE # 26
and the "Z" sample.
Now with both side by side compare the AA molar concentrations of EACH sample!
I believe it's remarkable although both are GT products and contain near equal amounts of GH on a proportional basis the
Amino Acid ratio is NOT "to pretty".
The latter implies the "Z" product is QUALITATIVELY of lower grade compared to sample # 26 (in addition to many others) and is the reason I've asked the lab to conduct an LC/MS on the Z sample.
Finally there are several samples that contain LOWER than expected quantities of GLX which raises the concern about whether the "sequence" is correct" in some of these samples.
So these assays can increase or decrease ones index of suspicion
with respect to a samples QUALITY but
can not be used to confirm or refute
issues of QUALITY.
Jim
Yes sir I believe so.Sheet updated ... Link Here: http://goo.gl/fyAnbQ (Generic HGH Assays)
@mands was there a vendor/source reported for Sample No. 28? Naps?