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Ah finally the NEXT (3rd) Generic GH Assay Thread

"...The serum numbers you posted are low and you likely paid more than you can get quality HGH for..."

Will you please define a reasonable price for "quality non-pharma HGH"?

And for Serum number... I am beginning to warm up for the idea to actually pin 10IU IM (which I hate with passion) and test again to see what Serum will be yield.

I do my TRT Sub-Q and does the job just fine...
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Baseline - May , 2016, no supplements, IGF-1: 96 (50-317, Quest), Total T: 342 (250-827, Quest), Free T: 6.8 (7.2-24.0, Quest).

Currently - IGF-1: 185 (61-200, LabCorp), Total T: 1151 (348-1197, LabCorp), Free T: 41.16 (5.00-21.00, LabCorp).

My wife (50 y old), who had IGF-1 baseline of 148, currently tests 244 on the same "no name brand". We both did 1IU 7am, 1IU 7pm. I guess I am not processing it as she does. Any way, I upped my does to 2IU 7am, 2IU 7pm, and will test after 1 month. My goal is 220-240, no more, no less.

I am here because I like to read, learn and do my own conclusions, not to find the best "tops" one can buy. As you see, I don't even mention prices because I don't want to get in meaningless pissing match here - I ain't got the time for that.
 
DragoT said:
"...The serum numbers you posted are low and you likely paid more than you can get quality HGH for..."

Will you please define a reasonable price for "quality non-pharma HGH"?

And for Serum number... I am beginning to warm up for the idea to actually pin 10IU IM (which I hate with passion) and test again to see what Serum will be yield.

I do my TRT Sub-Q and does the job just fine...
========================================================

Baseline - May , 2016, no supplements, IGF-1: 96 (50-317, Quest), Total T: 342 (250-827, Quest), Free T: 6.8 (7.2-24.0, Quest).

Currently - IGF-1: 185 (61-200, LabCorp), Total T: 1151 (348-1197, LabCorp), Free T: 41.16 (5.00-21.00, LabCorp).

My wife (50 y old), who had IGF-1 baseline of 148, currently tests 244 on the same "no name brand". We both did 1IU 7am, 1IU 7pm. I guess I am not processing it as she does. Any way, I upped my does to 2IU 7am, 2IU 7pm, and will test after 1 month. My goal is 220-240, no more, no less.

I am here because I like to read, learn and do my own conclusions, not to find the best "tops" one can buy. As you see, I don't even mention prices because I don't want to get in meaningless pissing match here - I ain't got the time for that.
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You are running 2 ius a day split and you have 185 on your igf-1 levels? Seems spot on to me. What else are iu running with your gh? Any medications?

mands
 
Hi Mands,

Thanks for bringing sanity in the everyday madness... :-)

Yes Sir, I have seen studies that find 1IU pharma grade GH / day would raise IGF-1 baseline with 50 points. Emphasis on "pharma". One would expect 2IU/day to yield 100 points...

I've made mistake in the previous post (I was looking the wrong test date). A week ago I've tested 170 (IGF-1).

The 185 I am showing above is after three months on 2IU/day EVOGENE (allegedly European pharma grade) and one month of bunk HYGETROPIN.

Now, with baseline 96 and current 170, the effectiveness over IFG-1 of the current "no name brand" is 37ng/Ml per IU. Based on this math, after a month on 4IU daily (up from 2IU currently) I should test around 240. If this is the case, I will be happy as rattle snake on mice convention.

If walk like a duck and quack as a duck... If a substance raises Serum HGH three hours after administration and raises IFG-1 after continuous use, is it not plausible to conclude said substance is HGH? Of course, purity and amount per vial is the "unknown factor" that makes individual results vary...

Most of the folks on this forum are young individual in their prime. Perhaps this is why I am wrongfully convicted here :-). My goal is to restore hormonal levels to normal (better if somewhat youthful) levels but not pushing limits.

You ask "What else are iu running with your gh? Any medications?"

I have been in exceptional health all my life. never had anything stronger that Tylenol and every now and then antibiotics. However, last 5 years or so i did not liked the turn my life is taking. Ironically, it was not TV commercial like "Having this, experiencing that, you must have low T" but the opposite - only after I started googling "Why I cannot get up of bed in the morning, falling asleep 8pm, dont want to socialize with other people, cant remember what I spoke with customer yesterday etc" I come to realization I must dive in to serious research on my own. As a result, after private testing, my Dr put me on TRT.

So, current regimen (since May 20, 2016:
50mg TestC Monday 7am, 50mg Thursday 5pm
Every day - 2IU HGH 7am, 2IU 7pm (was 2IU/day, started 4IU on Monday this week)
65mg Iron Sulfate every next day (family history of anemia)
Diet - high protein, low fat, low carbs. I am not counting calories. I eat when I am hungry and eat until satisfied.
Exercise - walking my dog 2 miles before work (I work from home), 2 miles after 5pm. Now I have "home gym" and after afternoon walk, I do some light weight lifting for 15 min and another 30 min fast walk/high inclination on the treadmill.

As I said - never felt better in my life, even in my mid twenties. Even better, I don't feel 55 neither :-). Nothing like early last year. So yes, HRT and healthy leaving stile does make wanders and I stand by this statement.

Here is what our diet + HGH + exercise did for my wife. Pics taken on Christmas 2015 and 2016.

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Anyhow, this will be my last "personal" post on this thread, I don't want to hijack it. I will be waiting for the new lab info to be released and do my thing..

Thanks in advance.
 
DragoT said:
Hi Mands,

Thanks for bringing sanity in the everyday madness... :)

Yes Sir, I have seen studies that find 1IU pharma grade GH / day would raise IGF-1 baseline with 50 points. Emphasis on "pharma". One would expect 2IU/day to yield 100 points...

I've made mistake in the previous post (I was looking the wrong test date). A week ago I've tested 170 (IGF-1).

The 185 I am showing above is after three months on 2IU/day EVOGENE (allegedly European pharma grade) and one month of bunk HYGETROPIN.

Now, with baseline 96 and current 170, the effectiveness over IFG-1 of the current "no name brand" is 37ng/Ml per IU. Based on this math, after a month on 4IU daily (up from 2IU currently) I should test around 240. If this is the case, I will be happy as rattle snake on mice convention.

If walk like a duck and quack as a duck... If a substance raises Serum HGH three hours after administration and raises IFG-1 after continuous use, is it not plausible to conclude said substance is HGH? Of course, purity and amount per vial is the "unknown factor" that makes individual results vary...

Most of the folks on this forum are young individual in their prime. Perhaps this is why I am wrongfully convicted here :). My goal is to restore hormonal levels to normal (better if somewhat youthful) levels but not pushing limits.

You ask "What else are iu running with your gh? Any medications?"

I have been in exceptional health all my life. never had anything stronger that Tylenol and every now and then antibiotics. However, last 5 years or so i did not liked the turn my life is taking. Ironically, it was not TV commercial like "Having this, experiencing that, you must have low T" but the opposite - only after I started googling "Why I cannot get up of bed in the morning, falling asleep 8pm, dont want to socialize with other people, cant remember what I spoke with customer yesterday etc" I come to realization I must dive in to serious research on my own. As a result, after private testing, my Dr put me on TRT.

So, current regimen (since May 20, 2016:
50mg TestC Monday 7am, 50mg Thursday 5pm
Every day - 2IU HGH 7am, 2IU 7pm (was 2IU/day, started 4IU on Monday this week)
65mg Iron Sulfate every next day (family history of anemia)
Diet - high protein, low fat, low carbs. I am not counting calories. I eat when I am hungry and eat until satisfied.
Exercise - walking my dog 2 miles before work (I work from home), 2 miles after 5pm. Now I have "home gym" and after afternoon walk, I do some light weight lifting for 15 min and another 30 min fast walk/high inclination on the treadmill.

As I said - never felt better in my life, even in my mid twenties. Even better, I don't feel 55 neither :). Nothing like early last year. So yes, HRT and healthy leaving stile does make wanders and I stand by this statement.

Here is what our diet + HGH + exercise did for my wife. Pics taken on Christmas 2015 and 2016.

View attachment 64288

Anyhow, this will be my last "personal" post on this thread, I don't want to hijack it. I will be waiting for the new lab info to be released and do my thing..

Thanks in advance.
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At 4 iu's a day on legit GH whether it be Pharm Grade or Generic should probably yield you a little higher than 240.

mands
 
@mands ,

I truly want to hear your honest opinion on the question I've posed above:
...If a substance raises Serum HGH three hours after administration and raises IFG-1 after continuous use, is it not plausible to conclude said substance is HGH?...

I come from business world. I know how the wheels are turning here in US and all the way down in China. Let me explain how it works.

Take for example Intel. If you GoogleI7 processors, you will find several part numbers stating same I7 CPU characteristics, but different speed (1.7GHz, 2.5GHz, 3GHz and so on). Common sense is to think that Intel will run the production line this week to manufacture I7 1.7GHz, next week 3.5GHz, and so on based on market demand. This is not true! Intel runs the line to manufacture I7 processors. That's it. Period, end of story. Once the plate (with many CPU's on it) is done, it is tested and only one that actually work are tested second time for speed. On the same plate, you might have CPU's with 3 different speeds. Now the plate is broken down to individual CPU's which are encapsulated in ceramic, boxed and sold, where in price many different factors are taken in consideration - ratio of non-working to working, fact that high speed success rate is a lot lower than slow speed etc.

Legitimate Pharmaceutical business is different world. Chemical substance can be life saver of killer just by small deviation of chemical formula or net weight. One will be crazy to assume that Pharma have 100% success rate in manufacturing. For good or bad, due to the strict govt regulations, Pharma cannot say "Meh, I this batch did not turned exactly as expected, lets mark it "second choice" and sale it for half of the price". The batch is discarded. So, by factoring "manufacturing success rate, shelf live, lawsuit slush fund etc", legitimate market ends up with the prices where they are.

Now, let make trip to China. I am not even going to talk about underground labs... While Chinese do have (somewhat) strict process of licensing Pharmaceutical facilities, often they close eyes in regards of the business dealings afterwards.

Say you have license to sell HGH, and your license states "191aa sequence with purity no less than 99.97% can be sold under brand name MANDSTROPIN". You go to China in legitimate facility, put your conditions on the table and get a price for 1kg raw substance matching the above conditions. Raw or in vials is irreverent to this example. The facility now begins the manufacturing process. Genetically engineered e-coli bacteria are grown where the bacteria shits (i believe "secretes" is the right term) HGH. Then - purification i.e. separation of HGH from bacteria remains. Final product is 191aa sequence where impurities are no more than 0.03% or total weight. In ideal world... What if purity is 99.5%? In US, batch will be dedicated, in China, will be sold under the table to someone else as long a "legitimate license is presented", real or not. How about if purity is 97.9% - same shit. Or...if it is 90%? As long there is someone to pay for it...

This is where the all that bullshit about sources and top color is coming from. Finance me and I will get you "pink tops" on the market in 30 days with good quality. I know how the game is played.

So, we have total fakes (flat out filler only), low purity - sometimes dangerous percent of bacteria remains, and sometimes very close to pharma grade (bit non-pharma grade purity).

Enter the MesoRx world. Regardless of motivation, we want the best bang for the buck, while walking thin line of breaking the bank / shooting shit in our ass. Again, if one can achieve desired IGF-1 levels with 4-5IU for the fraction of the price of 1-2IU Pharma grade, what's wrong with that? The question "what am I shooting in my ass" is a legitimate question as well and so, private lab testing of the substance along with blood work afterwards is essential of achieving one's goals without engendering health in long term.

Please folks, chime in and tell where am I wrong in this line of thinking...
 
DragoT said:
@mands ,

I truly want to hear your honest opinion on the question I've posed above:
...If a substance raises Serum HGH three hours after administration and raises IFG-1 after continuous use, is it not plausible to conclude said substance is HGH?...

I come from business world. I know how the wheels are turning here in US and all the way down in China. Let me explain how it works.

Take for example Intel. If you GoogleI7 processors, you will find several part numbers stating same I7 CPU characteristics, but different speed (1.7GHz, 2.5GHz, 3GHz and so on). Common sense is to think that Intel will run the production line this week to manufacture I7 1.7GHz, next week 3.5GHz, and so on based on market demand. This is not true! Intel runs the line to manufacture I7 processors. That's it. Period, end of story. Once the plate (with many CPU's on it) is done, it is tested and only one that actually work are tested second time for speed. On the same plate, you might have CPU's with 3 different speeds. Now the plate is broken down to individual CPU's which are encapsulated in ceramic, boxed and sold, where in price many different factors are taken in consideration - ratio of non-working to working, fact that high speed success rate is a lot lower than slow speed etc.

Legitimate Pharmaceutical business is different world. Chemical substance can be life saver of killer just by small deviation of chemical formula or net weight. One will be crazy to assume that Pharma have 100% success rate in manufacturing. For good or bad, due to the strict govt regulations, Pharma cannot say "Meh, I this batch did not turned exactly as expected, lets mark it "second choice" and sale it for half of the price". The batch is discarded. So, by factoring "manufacturing success rate, shelf live, lawsuit slush fund etc", legitimate market ends up with the prices where they are.

Now, let make trip to China. I am not even going to talk about underground labs... While Chinese do have (somewhat) strict process of licensing Pharmaceutical facilities, often they close eyes in regards of the business dealings afterwards.

Say you have license to sell HGH, and your license states "191aa sequence with purity no less than 99.97% can be sold under brand name MANDSTROPIN". You go to China in legitimate facility, put your conditions on the table and get a price for 1kg raw substance matching the above conditions. Raw or in vials is irreverent to this example. The facility now begins the manufacturing process. Genetically engineered e-coli bacteria are grown where the bacteria shits (i believe "secretes" is the right term) HGH. Then - purification i.e. separation of HGH from bacteria remains. Final product is 191aa sequence where impurities are no more than 0.03% or total weight. In ideal world... What if purity is 99.5%? In US, batch will be dedicated, in China, will be sold under the table to someone else as long a "legitimate license is presented", real or not. How about if purity is 97.9% - same shit. Or...if it is 90%? As long there is someone to pay for it...

This is where the all that bullshit about sources and top color is coming from. Finance me and I will get you "pink tops" on the market in 30 days with good quality. I know how the game is played.

So, we have total fakes (flat out filler only), low purity - sometimes dangerous percent of bacteria remains, and sometimes very close to pharma grade (bit non-pharma grade purity).

Enter the MesoRx world. Regardless of motivation, we want the best bang for the buck, while walking thin line of breaking the bank / shooting shit in our ass. Again, if one can achieve desired IGF-1 levels with 4-5IU for the fraction of the price of 1-2IU Pharma grade, what's wrong with that? The question "what am I shooting in my ass" is a legitimate question as well and so, private lab testing of the substance along with blood work afterwards is essential of achieving one's goals without engendering health in long term.

Please folks, chime in and tell where am I wrong in this line of thinking...
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I will try and answer this simply as I can.

Your first question about serum and IGF-1 bloods. Yes it's safe to say you have bioactive HGH.

As you know that with any generic drug the main ingredient has to be "THAT" the main ingredient. As you also know the only thing that is different is the fillers or the concentration of the fillers added to the drug.

They only true way to tell if you have safe and pure HGH is getting the actual vials of GH tested at a reputable lab. They can check for purity, concentration, impurities, etc.

I like mandstropin. You are giving me ideas sir. ;)

mands
 
Consider the name suggestion an expression of my appreciation for the work you do here.

THIS IS WHY I was seeking the lab coordinates to begin with :)
 
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DragoT said:
Consider the name suggestion an expression of my appreciation for the work you do here.

THIS IS WHY I was seeking the lab coordinates to begin with :)
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Let me see how my current samples come back and I will share info on lab and how to use them.

mands
 
nervje said:
So there will be updated sample results from more sources or one source?
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I have two AAS being tested from one source on MESO. Both are phram grade.

This is a trial run. I have seen his assays and they all look good.

mands
 
DragoT said:
@mands ,

I truly want to hear your honest opinion on the question I've posed above:
...If a substance raises Serum HGH three hours after administration and raises IFG-1 after continuous use, is it not plausible to conclude said substance is HGH?...

I come from business world. I know how the wheels are turning here in US and all the way down in China. Let me explain how it works.

Take for example Intel. If you GoogleI7 processors, you will find several part numbers stating same I7 CPU characteristics, but different speed (1.7GHz, 2.5GHz, 3GHz and so on). Common sense is to think that Intel will run the production line this week to manufacture I7 1.7GHz, next week 3.5GHz, and so on based on market demand. This is not true! Intel runs the line to manufacture I7 processors. That's it. Period, end of story. Once the plate (with many CPU's on it) is done, it is tested and only one that actually work are tested second time for speed. On the same plate, you might have CPU's with 3 different speeds. Now the plate is broken down to individual CPU's which are encapsulated in ceramic, boxed and sold, where in price many different factors are taken in consideration - ratio of non-working to working, fact that high speed success rate is a lot lower than slow speed etc.

Legitimate Pharmaceutical business is different world. Chemical substance can be life saver of killer just by small deviation of chemical formula or net weight. One will be crazy to assume that Pharma have 100% success rate in manufacturing. For good or bad, due to the strict govt regulations, Pharma cannot say "Meh, I this batch did not turned exactly as expected, lets mark it "second choice" and sale it for half of the price". The batch is discarded. So, by factoring "manufacturing success rate, shelf live, lawsuit slush fund etc", legitimate market ends up with the prices where they are.

Now, let make trip to China. I am not even going to talk about underground labs... While Chinese do have (somewhat) strict process of licensing Pharmaceutical facilities, often they close eyes in regards of the business dealings afterwards.

Say you have license to sell HGH, and your license states "191aa sequence with purity no less than 99.97% can be sold under brand name MANDSTROPIN". You go to China in legitimate facility, put your conditions on the table and get a price for 1kg raw substance matching the above conditions. Raw or in vials is irreverent to this example. The facility now begins the manufacturing process. Genetically engineered e-coli bacteria are grown where the bacteria shits (i believe "secretes" is the right term) HGH. Then - purification i.e. separation of HGH from bacteria remains. Final product is 191aa sequence where impurities are no more than 0.03% or total weight. In ideal world... What if purity is 99.5%? In US, batch will be dedicated, in China, will be sold under the table to someone else as long a "legitimate license is presented", real or not. How about if purity is 97.9% - same shit. Or...if it is 90%? As long there is someone to pay for it...

This is where the all that bullshit about sources and top color is coming from. Finance me and I will get you "pink tops" on the market in 30 days with good quality. I know how the game is played.

So, we have total fakes (flat out filler only), low purity - sometimes dangerous percent of bacteria remains, and sometimes very close to pharma grade (bit non-pharma grade purity).

Enter the MesoRx world. Regardless of motivation, we want the best bang for the buck, while walking thin line of breaking the bank / shooting shit in our ass. Again, if one can achieve desired IGF-1 levels with 4-5IU for the fraction of the price of 1-2IU Pharma grade, what's wrong with that? The question "what am I shooting in my ass" is a legitimate question as well and so, private lab testing of the substance along with blood work afterwards is essential of achieving one's goals without engendering health in long term.

Please folks, chime in and tell where am I wrong in this line of thinking...
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No.
 
DragoT said:
Care to elaborate?
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>Genetically engineered e-coli bacteria are grown where the bacteria shits (i believe "secretes" is the right term) HGH.

Not at all. Inclusive bodies. Have to be extracted. No secretion takes place.

>Then - purification i.e. separation of HGH from bacteria remains. Final product is 191aa sequence where impurities are no more than 0.03% or total weight. In ideal world...

Source me that number.

> What if purity is 99.5%? In US, batch will be dedicated, in China, will be sold under the table to someone else as long a "legitimate license is presented", real or not. How about if purity is 97.9% - same shit. Or...if it is 90%? As long there is someone to pay for it...

If they can purify hgh to the point of '99.97%' (lol) from the clusterfuck of debris that a culture is what prevents them from purifying '99.5%' or '90%' HGH?


The rest of the notions you present are wrong as well, just don't like elaborating anymore.


Hey @mands how's it looking with those retests of 'fake' pharma HGH that JIM promised like, dunno, 4 months ago? Did I miss them somehow?
 
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