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mdhx3
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IDK man. I’ve bought some things from Alibaba; and, while not the quality of German tools, most things were functional.
I have never purchased any materials intended for injection or ingestion (until now); but looking at the results and transformation that @DragoT experienced, it is worth considering in my opinion.
I would assume that half or more of us who gamble on this will get robbed; BUT all we need is one of us to find a worthwhile supplier to make all the gambles fruitful.
If I or any of the rest of the guys in this thread had ample cash flow for pharmaceutical HGH we wouldn’t have chimed in on this thread. I am convinced that there is at least one source on Alibaba that sells what we want for a reasonable price.
Unless I am mistaken on the purpose of this thread; we will eventually divide and conquer the quest for the poor man’s access to HGH.
Recreational muscle
Member
DragoT, I was joking, I know you already said your council advises against you pointing people towards a distributor.Finding reliable source/product is half luck, half art. Keep in mind - the Chinese gov. is under pressure to crack down on "suppliers of chemicals". Make an experiment - contact three Alibaba "biotech" listings and ask about illegal recreational drugs. I guarantee at least one will say "how much you want". Not that I encourage you to do so, of course.
While Americans are bred with the notion of "exceptionalism" and "superiority", Chinese just... don't trust (nor they give a flying fuck for) the white man, or respect it until "eat 1kg of salt together".
As I said before, there is a line I cannot cross.
However, I would make an open call to all that want to become "suppliers" to the members of this board. Do what TP and PD did - register, become a sponsor, invest (or at least share) expenses for testing and work your way to earn trust and respect. Shit like "I just bought a kit from xxx.com and my hands are numb" ain't going to fly
I can also tell you that there is somewhat psychological factor that is in play. Even if someone desires to take the "high road" above, there are countless example of vicious attacks and absolutely meaningless arguments that are (I guarantee you) perceived as "waste of time". I have a reason to say that...
I’m not really sure why you quoted my post and then went off on your rant about being a dealer and talking about numb hands. You say very intelligent things most of the time and I appreciate your knowledge but don’t come at me like I’m trying to push anything or that I claimed something is good by saying “I just bought a kit from xxx.com and my hands or numb”. I posted bloods Incase you missed it, and I did it for the good of the community not for self.
Saying shit like “you guys are acting like spoiled brats” seems a little out of line. We are all men here and This whole thread is about trying to find a reliable source, I and probably everyone else could give a fuck about eating a pound of salt to be trusted or what somebody We’ve never met in some far away land thinks about the white man. If I’m taking this the wrong way my bad.
Naugahyde
Well-known Member
FYI the 'branded' Hgh products such as Geno's etc offered by this and many other Alibaba vendors are straight up counterfeit products. Avoid...
@Recreational muscle - I am sorry if my post can be misconstrued as personal attack. Certainly looks that way and for that, I apologize.
The truth is, at 56, with three grand kids, I am finding myself more and more often thinking about legacy than personal conquest. Sharing my lifetime experience at this point is more important for me than simply enjoying it. In my late teens I had very interesting love/hate relationships with my father. He was introvert - "I don't care about other people and don't want other people to even mention me in their toughs..." And yet... one of the smartest people I have met. I "hated him" because he was never wrong! My life was simply dull because... he was always right, every fucking time. He took away the excitement of the unknown. "Let me tell you what will happen..." God, I hated when he used to start like that.
Today, I find myself becoming my father, which I guess is not all that surprising...
On the “I just bought a kit from xxx.com..." Look it from this prospective - like I said above, there are people who are scouting boards and trying to get in this market, I hope you will agree with that, and this sentence was targeted at them. Like "We're watching you!"
...and "Spoiled brats"... In Europe, we don't give a trophy to our son when miss a goal in soccer match. We pull him at the sideline and yell "You suck, now go back and do better" which is no to say we don't love him, but rather want him to do better. I am here what, more than an year? Did you hear me complain about the Chinese who disappeared with my $450 on my first attempt to get GH from Alibaba? My wife was the one that pulled me on the sideline this time...
And yet, audentis Fortuna iuvat (Fortune favors the bold.) Of course there are honest people who are looking to do fair business and it is matter of time to find one. Let's just join effort, I know we can do better.
Let me put it this way - try to find diamond (if there is one) within the pile of shit I spew sometimes and disregard the rest if it does not make sense.
The truth is, at 56, with three grand kids, I am finding myself more and more often thinking about legacy than personal conquest. Sharing my lifetime experience at this point is more important for me than simply enjoying it. In my late teens I had very interesting love/hate relationships with my father. He was introvert - "I don't care about other people and don't want other people to even mention me in their toughs..." And yet... one of the smartest people I have met. I "hated him" because he was never wrong! My life was simply dull because... he was always right, every fucking time. He took away the excitement of the unknown. "Let me tell you what will happen..." God, I hated when he used to start like that.
Today, I find myself becoming my father, which I guess is not all that surprising...
On the “I just bought a kit from xxx.com..." Look it from this prospective - like I said above, there are people who are scouting boards and trying to get in this market, I hope you will agree with that, and this sentence was targeted at them. Like "We're watching you!"
...and "Spoiled brats"... In Europe, we don't give a trophy to our son when miss a goal in soccer match. We pull him at the sideline and yell "You suck, now go back and do better" which is no to say we don't love him, but rather want him to do better. I am here what, more than an year? Did you hear me complain about the Chinese who disappeared with my $450 on my first attempt to get GH from Alibaba? My wife was the one that pulled me on the sideline this time...
And yet, audentis Fortuna iuvat (Fortune favors the bold.) Of course there are honest people who are looking to do fair business and it is matter of time to find one. Let's just join effort, I know we can do better.
Let me put it this way - try to find diamond (if there is one) within the pile of shit I spew sometimes and disregard the rest if it does not make sense.
Doug_S
Member
There is no such thing as "raw" HGH. It's made from recombinant DNA technology. Cells are cultured and then extraction takes place.
Mezzano
Member
Would avoid all together....why not set yourself up with some good peptides. We’ll all seen and heard the wonders they do in terms of fat loss, muscle, joint recovery...why risk for fake HGH? And if set on HGH there’s respected labs that sell it domestically
@Mezzano you are missing the point right now. Ofcourse there is a possibility you will end up with fake hgh when ordering thru alibaba. But it is way cheaper and all the "respected labs" who have their "own" hgh also order directly from china. So why shouldn't we?
I didn't order yet from alibaba but sure will do in the future. I will be able to double my dose for same costs.
I didn't order yet from alibaba but sure will do in the future. I will be able to double my dose for same costs.
Mezzano
Member
@zapdis You’re certainly not wrong...the labs order from China the same way they order their raws for roids. I just think alibaba might be a dead end street...but willing to check in and see the results here. Sure would be a honey hole if it was legit. I’m in to see the thread through
@Doug_S You were the first person I had to admit to of making mistake and had to apologize... hope you have forgiven me by now.
Let do an exercise just for the sake of it.
They are lying, of course, but let's assume for a moment they don't.
1gr "raw" GH is priced $1000. Of course, no one will run operation based on 1gr, 20 or 50 is more justified. So, 50 it is. With come negotiation the above price can be reduced to, say $750.
750*50 = $37,500 cost of material.
1gr = 1000 milligrams.
10IU vial = 3.3mg active substance
1000 milligrams / 3.3mg = 303 vials (let's make it 250 vials accounting for production losses, vials, caps etc.)
50gr "raw" = 12500 vials (1250 100IU kits). Does it sounds reasonable as a "batch #?)
37500/12500 = $3.00 net cost per 10IU vial ($30.00 per kit)
At $110.00 FOB price per kit, profit from kit is $80.00 - not bad, not bad at all.
Same math applied to "the overdosing scenario" - at 5mg per vial, 7500 (750 kits), net cost $5.00 (or $50.00 per kit), and $130.00 price per kit - same $80.00 profit pops up.
Now shipping
. Y'all know (or you should know!) fast food chains make their profits from soft drinks. A "bigly" cup of coca-cola costs MacDonalds $0.05 and sells it to you for $1.60. S&H is exactly the same scam. Back in the days I was working shortly for computer company that was selling parts over the Internet. DHL wanted our business and offered a flat rate for packages up to 1lb for a cost of... $0.90 per unit. When was the last time you have seen door-to-door delivery cost for less than 3.50 or so?
Now the kicker:
Ain't near the $50 asked everywhere.
Bottom line, this is an attempt for explanation of the enormous number of "biotech" companies on Alibaba.
Yet if we stop looking into the "others" plate, cost of $1.00 / IU is achievable. It is a matter of time...
Let do an exercise just for the sake of it.
They are lying, of course, but let's assume for a moment they don't.
1gr "raw" GH is priced $1000. Of course, no one will run operation based on 1gr, 20 or 50 is more justified. So, 50 it is. With come negotiation the above price can be reduced to, say $750.
750*50 = $37,500 cost of material.
1gr = 1000 milligrams.
10IU vial = 3.3mg active substance
1000 milligrams / 3.3mg = 303 vials (let's make it 250 vials accounting for production losses, vials, caps etc.)
50gr "raw" = 12500 vials (1250 100IU kits). Does it sounds reasonable as a "batch #?)
37500/12500 = $3.00 net cost per 10IU vial ($30.00 per kit)
At $110.00 FOB price per kit, profit from kit is $80.00 - not bad, not bad at all.
Same math applied to "the overdosing scenario" - at 5mg per vial, 7500 (750 kits), net cost $5.00 (or $50.00 per kit), and $130.00 price per kit - same $80.00 profit pops up.
Now shipping
. Y'all know (or you should know!) fast food chains make their profits from soft drinks. A "bigly" cup of coca-cola costs MacDonalds $0.05 and sells it to you for $1.60. S&H is exactly the same scam. Back in the days I was working shortly for computer company that was selling parts over the Internet. DHL wanted our business and offered a flat rate for packages up to 1lb for a cost of... $0.90 per unit. When was the last time you have seen door-to-door delivery cost for less than 3.50 or so?Now the kicker:
Ain't near the $50 asked everywhere.
Bottom line, this is an attempt for explanation of the enormous number of "biotech" companies on Alibaba.
Yet if we stop looking into the "others" plate, cost of $1.00 / IU is achievable. It is a matter of time...
Doug_S
Member
@Doug_S You were the first person I had to admit to of making mistake and had to apologize... hope you have forgiven me by now.
Let do an exercise just for the sake of it.
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They are lying, of course, but let's assume for a moment they don't.
1gr "raw" GH is priced $1000. Of course, no one will run operation based on 1gr, 20 or 50 is more justified. So, 50 it is. With come negotiation the above price can be reduced to, say $750.
750*50 = $37,500 cost of material.
1gr = 1000 milligrams.
10IU vial = 3.3mg active substance
1000 milligrams / 3.3mg = 303 vials (let's make it 250 vials accounting for production losses, vials, caps etc.)
50gr "raw" = 12500 vials (1250 100IU kits). Does it sounds reasonable as a "batch #?)
37500/12500 = $3.00 net cost per 10IU vial ($30.00 per kit)
At $110.00 FOB price per kit, profit from kit is $80.00 - not bad, not bad at all.
Same math applied to "the overdosing scenario" - at 5mg per vial, 7500 (750 kits), net cost $5.00 (or $50.00 per kit), and $130.00 price per kit - same $80.00 profit pops up.
Now shipping
Now the kicker:
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Ain't near the $50 asked everywhere.
Bottom line, this is an attempt for explanation of the enormous number of "biotech" companies on Alibaba.
Yet if we stop looking into the "others" plate, cost of $1.00 / IU is achievable. It is a matter of time...
Interesting scenario on the shipping.
The high cost of HGH comes from extraction. Ultra centrifuges are required and they can run up to $150,000 or more.
You can order the cells with the gene implanted online from any reputable DNA synthesis facility.
I absolutely agree. This is why I implied earlier what we see on Ali are not manufacturers, but rather resallers.
I did applied the same technique as while ago to check five "biotech companies with years of experience" and "Alibaba verified" and all domain names with no exception come back as registered within the last 6 months or less.
I've heard from someone
that they are no longer on Alibaba because got sick of been pulled down and creating new page...
Rockclimber
Well-known Member
I think many of you are missing the broad picture here. Several of us have already received legitimate human growth hormone for less than a dollar an international unit and are satisfied with our purchase. The rest of you can sit here and analyze, complain and rationalize your decision not to purchase but me, I'm happy with the results I'm getting and can't wait for my igf results to come in. Even if they come in lower than expected I'll just up my daily dose.
At 5iu daily I have carpal tunnel syndrome, numb hands during the night, exceptionally fast finger nail and hair growth. Double the normal beard growth. All of this within the first month also. Just based on anecdotal evidence without the lab results coming back... the stuff is legit and I'm very happy with it.
$900 for 1500iu after shipping. I can't wait for my igf results to come back so I can buy another 1500iu and stockpile. Praying for igf in the 400s. Really hoping for that! Being on 350mg tren and nolvadex... probably not likely though.
At 5iu daily I have carpal tunnel syndrome, numb hands during the night, exceptionally fast finger nail and hair growth. Double the normal beard growth. All of this within the first month also. Just based on anecdotal evidence without the lab results coming back... the stuff is legit and I'm very happy with it.
$900 for 1500iu after shipping. I can't wait for my igf results to come back so I can buy another 1500iu and stockpile. Praying for igf in the 400s. Really hoping for that! Being on 350mg tren and nolvadex... probably not likely though.
Doug_S
Member
I would want to see Analyzer MS/HPLC results before it's officially declared as "good". If you believe in your source and are willing, I'll pay half the analytical.
U know if your tests come back in good range, it would be maybe great to let source know that we are able to test hgh (analyzer)he (source) sells so perhaps he would double think to send out bunk or underdosed hgh.
Roco Bama
Well-known Member
Good idea
Its not just about having GH in the vial. What else is in there for fillers? You're not getting a pure, legitimate GH product for less than a dollar an iu. To me, GH is something where you either shell out the extra $ and make sure you have a legit product, as in pharm grade, or just don't even bother. Especially now that PD is done. Wouldn't trust any color top generic no matter where it came from.
Roco Bama
Well-known Member
It's pathetic to worry about HGH purity when they inject many different steroids into their body that were made in UGL.
You should stick to pharma HGH if you're that concerned.
TRT
New Member
It's more dangerous to drive down the road or walk down the sidewalk. You could die or take ill at any time. Your a statistic. You no different than anyone else.
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