Alibaba HGH

[Recreational muscle]

It’s hard for me to say whether these are legit or not based on sides. I came straight from running black tops (not from the guys on here everyone loves) for about 3 months and I had sides Pretty bad (I meant to get bloods but didn’t), started off 2.5 morning and night ed but I had to back Down my dosage to 2 morning and night and eventually the sides started to fade for the most part. Anyway I jumped straight on these doing 2 morning and night ed, seem to have the carpal tunnel side but not sure if it’s my imagination or not. We should know by Wednesday whether they’re legit or not. I saw someone ask about shipping and no bullshit they landed about 8 days after shipped. I did have one vial so far that didn’t have any vacuum on it but all the others have. I also got some melanotan 2 from the same seller and it’s definitely legit.

 

[Recreational muscle]

How did you determine which vendor to use?

I looked for the on site verification, the amount sold by the company and years of gold status (but I think that can just be paid for by the company). I’ll say this they have something called buyer assurance or something like that, it puts your funds into a account but has a hold on it until you verify delivery. You can’t use it if you pay by WU or Bitcoin but credit card and bank wires it will. This at least ensures you get your product.

 

[Rockclimber]

How did you determine which vendor to use?

Gold status and years on Alibaba and reviews. I figured if they've got over 50,000 orders shipped over 11 years and are gold status I should be pretty good. I also price checked everyone that fit that criteria and went with somewhere between the most expensive and the cheapest. $0.54 an iu was too cheap and $1.00 was too expensive. I ended up paying just under $900 for 1500iu.

 

[Recreational muscle]

Gold status and years on Alibaba and reviews. I figured if they've got over 50,000 orders shipped over 11 years and are gold status I should be pretty good. I also price checked everyone that fit that criteria and went with somewhere between the most expensive and the cheapest. $0.54 an iu was too cheap and $1.00 was too expensive. I ended up paying just under $900 for 1500iu.

Just to add to what rockimber said here, I got mine for the same price that he did (not including shipping), but they didn’t offer me that price at first, I had to haggle with them a bit, told them another vendor was offering a better price to get them down to $60 a kit.

 

[fodsod]

I’ll be pulling IGF bloods Tuesday for my GH off Alibaba and should have the results by Friday.

I’ve been running 2.5 morning and night and it will be exactly 21 days since I started on Tuesday. I pulled IGF a week prior to starting this kit and haven’t been on GH for at least 6 months so I’ll have a base line for immediate comparison.

So far I definitely have the CTS going on as I have a left thumb joint injury from the past that ALWAYS hurts 24-7 when I’m on GH and I don’t feel it any other time. Only when using GH. Weird, I know. Plus my hands are constantly tingling like they are falling asleep or the circulation is being cut off. All typical GH sides for me.

I can’t speak to water retention from the GH as my eating is 100% dead on show prep so subcutaneous retention would be limited anyway. I will say the sides haven’t been terrible and could probably run 8-10 a day and be able to live with it.

I’m in week 3 of show prep and have seen good progress so far in bf loss (no cardio needed yet), muscle fullness and talk about being sleepy, holy shit even on ECA I’m having to take cat naps during the day.

It’s real GH, I just can’t say that I’m 100% convinced it’s a legit 10uis per vial. I’ll know once I see my IGF levels and can compare them to previous IGF levels with the same dose of grey top GH.

Oh and my package was opened by customs. There was no camouflaged packaging. Just 5 kits sealed in heavy plastic inside a padded envelope inside a box. Customs opened it all, removed a kit, inspected it (it had been opened) and put it all back in there, stickered the shit out of it and sent it on to me anyway. The shipping label stated “office supplies” from the factory. No clue as to why they didn’t snatch it.

 

[Rockclimber]

That's crazy that they opened it and inspected it to that degree and still sent it on. I would have been paranoid for a few weeks! When mine got delivered to me I let it sit for a few days before opening up, no stealth shipping at all!
It's funny that you're having to sleep a lot as well, I can't stay awake sometimes... it's just crazy. I'm excited to see your igf numbers from the lab, who would have thought Alibaba had some good GH!

 

[fodsod]

That's crazy that they opened it and inspected it to that degree and still sent it on. I would have been paranoid for a few weeks! When mine got delivered to me I let it sit for a few days before opening up, no stealth shipping at all!
It's funny that you're having to sleep a lot as well, I can't stay awake sometimes... it's just crazy. I'm excited to see your igf numbers from the lab, who would have thought Alibaba had some good GH!

I wasn’t worried. They don’t have time/resources to run down personal use guys. With no labels and no proof of what it really is they just said fuck it I guess. It did come through customs in FL though not NY so maybe all they worry about is Coke and other hard drugs.

Yeah, I’m super curious to see the numbers myself. It’s that confirming what I already know but will give me a better idea of what I got dosage wise per vial. Is it actually 10 ius or less. I’ll know soon enough.

I’ve said this 100 times. I don’t care if it’s 7 or 8 ius instead of 10. I just want consistency. Make it 7-8 all the time and I’ll pay extra and get more to make up the difference if needed. That’s all I ask. Give me real GH and just be consistent with the amount. I’ll figure out the rest and make it work.

With the PD thing knocking him out if the loop and TP having delays and supply issues having Alibaba as a legit source for GH is great. At least until things play out like they always do.

 

[Recreational muscle]

Dam, I just went and read what you were talking about with the guy with the good blacks and greys (dont even want to type his name). Hope he’s ok, I know first hand having LE on you is about as fucked up as you can feel and not knowing if they are coming is just as bad, shit will stress you the fuck out for sure. You play around in the game long enough and you’ll be in their sights, just a matter of time.

 

[nolimitz]

I'm hope the shipping issues aren't affecting everyone. I've used two suppliers off alibaba/ecplaza in the past and got the goods in under a week. Going by sides the gh seemed good. I'd like to get bloodwork but have to go through my doc because of my state.

I searched the suppliers through cphi.cn also to find the ones that also host at conferences. Also, I figure if the supplier also sell's hgh powder than maybe you'd be less likely to get bunk.

However at the end of the day you'll need to do testing to be sure. I don't try to haggle too much because they already advertise 4,6,8, and 10iu vials. It wouldn't be hard for them to just send you the lower kits to make up for the discount.

I would also stay away from the ones advertising 95%, 97% hgh. It means there's bad quality control if they can't get consistent 99%+ purity.

 

[Naugahyde]

I'm hope the shipping issues aren't affecting everyone. I've used two suppliers off alibaba/ecplaza in the past and got the goods in under a week. Going by sides the gh seemed good. I'd like to get bloodwork but have to go through my doc because of my state.

I searched the suppliers through cphi.cn also to find the ones that also host at conferences. Also, I figure if the supplier also sell's hgh powder than maybe you'd be less likely to get bunk.

However at the end of the day you'll need to do testing to be sure. I don't try to haggle too much because they already advertise 4,6,8, and 10iu vials. It wouldn't be hard for them to just send you the lower kits to make up for the discount.

I would also stay away from the ones advertising 95%, 97% hgh. It means there's bad quality control if they can't get consistent 99%+ purity.

Good idea selecting suppliers that have a higher professional profile - one would like to think that's indicative of a better quality product. But who the hell knows.
Re advertised purity - the 64 000 dollar question is whether that's to be trusted. I'd prefer a genuine 95% purity than a false 99% - duh.
I still have a bit of a problem buying blank vials though from companies that specialise in chemical fertilizers...it scares the shit outta me tbh!
Of course it could well be the case that this is the very same product that we are happily buying already - just with a reassuring 'brandtropin' name, pretty labels and boxes together with a so called 'verification' facility that is nothing more really than some inputted code numbers on a webpage. That and a 100% + price mark up!
Anyway good on the guys here willing to take a chance for the team.
I'll be a lot happier once we start seeing lab analysis results - hopefully that's soon...

 

[Recreational muscle]

@nolimtz while I see your point, I didn’t have to haggle much, I simply asked for their best price and told them no thank you I was being offered better elsewhere, that knocked $15 off per kit. I know that’s relatively small but to me every little bit helps. My labs should be in on Wednesday and that should be the tell tale of whether they are under filled/dosed or not. If they are I’ll look into other suppliers. I made sure to make it clear that if everything is on the up and up they would receive further business from me. I’m sure they would rather return customers than a one time profit from selling under filled/dosed vials. I too was impressed with shipping, 8 days touchdown. I’m with at @Naugahyde, I’ll take an honest 97% (which is what the company I purchased from claimed) compared to a possible made up 99%, of course that may be legit as well. Who knows really, it’s all a crap shoot, but the company I chose had more sales than any other I ran across and that spoke volumes to me. I’ll post my labs up ASAP.

 

[DragoT]

Having done a lot of business with China (via Taiwan) back in the days, one thing I've learned they were doing what Amazon started later on - "sell on behalf of". No matter if the title is "Trading company" or "Fertilizer Manufacturer" or "Medical Equipment", as long they have an agreement to re-sale... I still maintain there is one (or perhaps two) facilities where this stuff is manufactured and all Chinese tops are coming from there. I personally was in factory in Taiwan, where I was told - "We can slap a sticker for high quality to lower quality product, or you want to buy the high end - up to you". So, at the end it comes to the ethic of the seller.

 

[Naugahyde]

I personally was in factory in Taiwan, where I was told - "We can slap a sticker for high quality to lower quality product, or you want to buy the high end - up to you". So, at the end it comes to the ethic of the seller.

Jeez...Now I know why the 'High Quality' Taiwanese ball joints I bought for my XJ Cherokee blew out before 500 miles!
Not exactly inspiring is it - quality for the price of a sticker?
Far Eastern business ethics...

 

[DragoT]

Far Eastern business ethics...

You have to understand - this is cultural thing, not necessarily "ethics issue". Moral and legal implications are left for the "other" party, it is not considered "manufacturers fault". You have never heard about "undervalue invoice", right? This is because China have most favorable nation status when comes to trade with US i.e. no import taxes or tariffs when import. Now take Europe. All imported goods are evaluated based on "import tariff book". Lets say you import ball joints. There is (for example) 15% import duties. The duties are calculated based on the price on the invoice (FOB) plus transport cost. Why one have to pay duties on transportation cost is beyond me, but any way. Then, Europe have VAT tax system (absolute scam run by the government) - 22% in my country of birth, and at some point your staring in to 40-60% raise of cost before you added profit margin. So, you are offered "undervalue invoice" i.e. lower cost is stated on the invoice on which duties are calculated. This practice is sanctioned by the Chinese government (not enforcing laws, that is) in order to stimulate exports. We all see where China is today, right.

Again, moral and legal aspect is left off for the buyer, Chinese simply did you a favor.

Now, back to GH. While I am not saying that all sellers on Alibaba are low life scumbags. Probably most of them are good people. The biggest area of concern is their knowledge on the subject (HGH handling) and if they will follow the best practices. This is - if they even order any q'ty for local storage. From my personal experience, reading between the lines, when I order a kit(s), my guy informs the "factory" which in turn gives the parcel to the "forwarder" (another term you guys should be familiar with - third party acting as a fuse that is safe to burn and so manufacturer or seller are never directly implicated).

Here is the biggest point of concern - how long the product is exposed to uncontrolled conditions.

As I said many times - it is a crap shoot...

 

[rpbb]

You have to understand - this is cultural thing, not necessarily "ethics issue". Moral and legal implications are left for the "other" party, it is not considered "manufacturers fault". You have never heard about "undervalue invoice", right? This is because China have most favorable nation status when comes to trade with US i.e. no import taxes or tariffs when import. Now take Europe. All imported goods are evaluated based on "import tariff book". Lets say you import ball joints. There is (for example) 15% import duties. The duties are calculated based on the price on the invoice (FOB) plus transport cost. Why one have to pay duties on transportation cost is beyond me, but any way. Then, Europe have VAT tax system (absolute scam run by the government) - 22% in my country of birth, and at some point your staring in to 40-60% raise of cost before you added profit margin. So, you are offered "undervalue invoice" i.e. lower cost is stated on the invoice on which duties are calculated. This practice is sanctioned by the Chinese government (not enforcing laws, that is) in order to stimulate exports. We all see where China is today, right.

Again, moral and legal aspect is left off for the buyer, Chinese simply did you a favor.

Now, back to GH. While I am not saying that all sellers on Alibaba are low life scumbags. Probably most of them are good people. The biggest area of concern is their knowledge on the subject (HGH handling) and if they will follow the best practices. This is - if they even order any q'ty for local storage. From my personal experience, reading between the lines, when I order a kit(s), my guy informs the "factory" which in turn gives the parcel to the "forwarder" (another term you guys should be familiar with - third party acting as a fuse that is safe to burn and so manufacturer or seller are never directly implicated).

Here is the biggest point of concern - how long the product is exposed to uncontrolled conditions.

As I said many times - it is a crap shoot...

Great post, thanks. My only comment is are the guys selling it here as "sources" any better. Or are they just ordering from ali baba with color cap of their choice and passing it on

 

[DragoT]

Great post, thanks. My only comment is are the guys selling it here as "sources" any better.

That, I cannot say. However, this is where moral and business practices come in play.

Ali have hundreds of sellers advertising the same... green tops. I view those as "generic" resellers i.e. "if I can sell 1;3;10 kits this month, fine. If nothing - meh, no profit, but no loss either"

Then comes OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) - term used to describe two things - the product meets manufacturers quality standards and second, more important: branding i.e. you have right to ask the manufacturer to package the way you want (10IU vials with black caps), as well as specific markings (batch number for example), retail package with your logo, TM registered colors etc. This, however, implies that order will be pre-paid!!! Cash In Advance, Letter Of Credit etc. Now both sides are bound to fulfill the contractual obligations - one to "finance" the production, the other to keep up with the product specifications. Now that requires serious financing backing. One you get possession of the ready product - it is yours to lose or gain. So, seller (facing customers) must at any point in time keep "face" because one wrong move and will endup with several lifetimes of HGH supply for own use (or until new forum is found )

Hope this explains two things - consistent tests results and higher prices compared to Ali prices.

 

[Recreational muscle]

Christmas come earlier mo fo’s. Got my lab results. I was like a little kid opening a present at Christmas time when logging on and downloading results. IGF-1 results 456, will post picture when I get to a printer.

 

[Rockclimber]

Christmas come earlier mo fo’s. Got my lab results. I was like a little kid opening a present at Christmas time when logging on and downloading results. IGF-1 results 456, will post picture when I get to a printer.

How many iu were you pinning?

 

[Recreational muscle]

4iu’s a day split 2 morning, 2 night

 

[Recreational muscle]