Anxiety Medications. What has worked for you?

[muscletrain]

Thanks for that. I will look into that.

Yeah it's exactly like the symptoms of a heart attack, the term is "impending doom". No matter how hard of a mofo you are your brain literally tells you you're dying or something bad is inevitable, Benzos are a god send but I wouldn't wish them on anyone unless you are debilitated by your anxiety or suffer from GAD daily I wouldn't touch them as they are hell to come off of. Having Xanax on hand to use PRN once in awhile is a lot different than guys who end up on daily scripts. Trust me been down the GABA related drugs road and it is hell.

My Advice as someone who has been anxious since I was a kid:

vitamins that may help:

Ashawaganda - I believe it actually works in relation to the Gaba-a unit but also has been proven to reduce cortisol levels by up to 27-30% in some tests. I would take it at night try 300mg, and then 600mg and make sure you get the KSM-66 type.

L-Theanine - Can pretty much take as much as you want, can be very calming and if you are coming off benzos or are panicking feel free to take up to 1g at a time.

Magnesium Glycinate or Citrate - Majority of population is deficient in magnesium and it's naturally calming typically I would take 1.5g before bed. If you haven't had issue with gaba drugs previously this one might surprise you how relaxing/tired it can make you feel.

BPC-157 - Has been shown to slow/help rats not get physically addicted as badly to Diazepam (Valium) when co-administered. Definitely has some sort of effect on homeostasis in the GABA system. Typically 250-500mcg pre-bed. If you are trying to get off your benzos then 500mcg 3x a day to help calm you works great.

BPC alone some people fine helps with anxiety/relaxation.

Selank is another peptide that is touted for anxiety

Agmatine - just google Agmatine anxiety or Agmatine depression for more info I'm just gonna bang out the list of items I have. The coals notes is :

Agmatine, is a substance that has existed since 1911 which posseses the same antidepressant effects as ketamine and other glutamergic drugs, by inducing massive neurogenesis in the prefrontal cortex & hippocampus via mTor signaling and AMPA receptor activation.

Tyrosine - Dopamine related

5-HTP - if you want to avoid prescription SSRI's

SAM-E

NAC

Last, last resort: Benzos AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE and for some reason people seem to say Xanax has much worse withdrawals than other benzos and I've heard it from a few other people as well.

Always recommend using them PRN and no more than when you full blown panic. If you are on Ativan/Xanax/some other fast acting hard hitting benzo and want to quit I recommend the following:

1) Transfer your prescription to a long acting benzo like Diazepam (Valium) General rule is 1mg Ativan/Xanax is equipotent to ~10mg Diazepam. Diazepam is much easier to taper due to its extremely long half life, you will not succeed trying to taper xanax if you have been on it for awhile the half life is just too short.
2) Google the Ashton Manual and follow a proper taper protocol, do NOT try to cold turkey or quit these too fast
3) Run BPC alongside the Diazepam as you taper
4) take it SLOW and steady, it takes a very long time to properly hop off these drugs.

I hope this list helps people out and feel free to PM me if you have questions. Unfortunately I don't have much experience in the Anti-depressant department though.

 

[Oldschool]

Yeah it's exactly like the symptoms of a heart attack, the term is "impending doom". No matter how hard of a mofo you are your brain literally tells you you're dying or something bad is inevitable, Benzos are a god send but I wouldn't wish them on anyone unless you are debilitated by your anxiety or suffer from GAD daily I wouldn't touch them as they are hell to come off of. Having Xanax on hand to use PRN once in awhile is a lot different than guys who end up on daily scripts. Trust me been down the GABA related drugs road and it is hell.

My Advice as someone who has been anxious since I was a kid:

vitamins that may help:

Ashawaganda - I believe it actually works in relation to the Gaba-a unit but also has been proven to reduce cortisol levels by up to 27-30% in some tests. I would take it at night try 300mg, and then 600mg and make sure you get the KSM-66 type.

L-Theanine - Can pretty much take as much as you want, can be very calming and if you are coming off benzos or are panicking feel free to take up to 1g at a time.

Magnesium Glycinate or Citrate - Majority of population is deficient in magnesium and it's naturally calming typically I would take 1.5g before bed. If you haven't had issue with gaba drugs previously this one might surprise you how relaxing/tired it can make you feel.

BPC-157 - Has been shown to slow/help rats not get physically addicted as badly to Diazepam (Valium) when co-administered. Definitely has some sort of effect on homeostasis in the GABA system. Typically 250-500mcg pre-bed. If you are trying to get off your benzos then 500mcg 3x a day to help calm you works great.

BPC alone some people fine helps with anxiety/relaxation.

Selank is another peptide that is touted for anxiety

Agmatine - just google Agmatine anxiety or Agmatine depression for more info I'm just gonna bang out the list of items I have. The coals notes is :

Agmatine, is a substance that has existed since 1911 which posseses the same antidepressant effects as ketamine and other glutamergic drugs, by inducing massive neurogenesis in the prefrontal cortex & hippocampus via mTor signaling and AMPA receptor activation.

Tyrosine - Dopamine related

5-HTP - if you want to avoid prescription SSRI's

SAM-E

NAC

Last, last resort: Benzos AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE and for some reason people seem to say Xanax has much worse withdrawals than other benzos and I've heard it from a few other people as well.

Always recommend using them PRN and no more than when you full blown panic. If you are on Ativan/Xanax/some other fast acting hard hitting benzo and want to quit I recommend the following:

1) Transfer your prescription to a long acting benzo like Diazepam (Valium) General rule is 1mg Ativan/Xanax is equipotent to ~10mg Diazepam. Diazepam is much easier to taper due to its extremely long half life, you will not succeed trying to taper xanax if you have been on it for awhile the half life is just too short.
2) Google the Ashton Manual and follow a proper taper protocol, do NOT try to cold turkey or quit these too fast
3) Run BPC alongside the Diazepam as you taper
4) take it SLOW and steady, it takes a very long time to properly hop off these drugs.

I hope this list helps people out and feel free to PM me if you have questions. Unfortunately I don't have much experience in the Anti-depressant department though.

That is one heck of a write up. Thank you.

 

[muscletrain]

That is one heck of a write up. Thank you.

I know the pain of anxiety and also the pain of feeling cornered by being physically dependent on benzos all too well if I can help out I'm glad to. Keyword is physical dependence should not be a shameful thing for anyone who feels they just can't function currently and benzos are helping for now....big difference between physical dependence and addiction.

My first piece of advice is always assess how bad its getting and go from there if you ever feel you need SSRI's/Benzos then they should be used as a tool to help you get to baseline and perhaps enroll in some CBT or learn what is triggering it. They should not be a permanent fix.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

I tried lot of stuff... and i can wholeheartedly tell you that what worked best was quitting living with my ex girlfriend (After 5 years of HELL) and started to building my body from scratch... leaning out for first and then putting some quality mass... tryna solving your problems man.. it can sound stupid and im sorry if i m totally wrong on this.. but think about it if you can

 

[Red_subbottom]

Yeah it's exactly like the symptoms of a heart attack, the term is "impending doom". No matter how hard of a mofo you are your brain literally tells you you're dying or something bad is inevitable, Benzos are a god send but I wouldn't wish them on anyone unless you are debilitated by your anxiety or suffer from GAD daily I wouldn't touch them as they are hell to come off of. Having Xanax on hand to use PRN once in awhile is a lot different than guys who end up on daily scripts. Trust me been down the GABA related drugs road and it is hell.

My Advice as someone who has been anxious since I was a kid:

vitamins that may help:

Ashawaganda - I believe it actually works in relation to the Gaba-a unit but also has been proven to reduce cortisol levels by up to 27-30% in some tests. I would take it at night try 300mg, and then 600mg and make sure you get the KSM-66 type.

L-Theanine - Can pretty much take as much as you want, can be very calming and if you are coming off benzos or are panicking feel free to take up to 1g at a time.

Magnesium Glycinate or Citrate - Majority of population is deficient in magnesium and it's naturally calming typically I would take 1.5g before bed. If you haven't had issue with gaba drugs previously this one might surprise you how relaxing/tired it can make you feel.

BPC-157 - Has been shown to slow/help rats not get physically addicted as badly to Diazepam (Valium) when co-administered. Definitely has some sort of effect on homeostasis in the GABA system. Typically 250-500mcg pre-bed. If you are trying to get off your benzos then 500mcg 3x a day to help calm you works great.

BPC alone some people fine helps with anxiety/relaxation.

Selank is another peptide that is touted for anxiety

Agmatine - just google Agmatine anxiety or Agmatine depression for more info I'm just gonna bang out the list of items I have. The coals notes is :

Agmatine, is a substance that has existed since 1911 which posseses the same antidepressant effects as ketamine and other glutamergic drugs, by inducing massive neurogenesis in the prefrontal cortex & hippocampus via mTor signaling and AMPA receptor activation.

Tyrosine - Dopamine related

5-HTP - if you want to avoid prescription SSRI's

SAM-E

NAC

Last, last resort: Benzos AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE and for some reason people seem to say Xanax has much worse withdrawals than other benzos and I've heard it from a few other people as well.

Always recommend using them PRN and no more than when you full blown panic. If you are on Ativan/Xanax/some other fast acting hard hitting benzo and want to quit I recommend the following:

1) Transfer your prescription to a long acting benzo like Diazepam (Valium) General rule is 1mg Ativan/Xanax is equipotent to ~10mg Diazepam. Diazepam is much easier to taper due to its extremely long half life, you will not succeed trying to taper xanax if you have been on it for awhile the half life is just too short.
2) Google the Ashton Manual and follow a proper taper protocol, do NOT try to cold turkey or quit these too fast
3) Run BPC alongside the Diazepam as you taper
4) take it SLOW and steady, it takes a very long time to properly hop off these drugs.

I hope this list helps people out and feel free to PM me if you have questions. Unfortunately I don't have much experience in the Anti-depressant department though.

How have you used these vitamins and peptides in your anxiety regulation? I am just reading protocols.

 

[Whopperflopper]

Anyone try lithium orotate???

Ive been on . 5 xanax for over 10 yrs and my memory is being wiped clean by this shit, i cant remember shit and my motivation and desire to do anything is non existant, i need to get something else because i want to actually live and move fwd in life....

Short term memory is shot. Can't remember shit. Had a job and I couldn't remember what I learned the previous day. You don't need it. Unless your on SSI and have a very short fuse

 

[Dead]

So this will work then?

Seriously try it it’s the only thing that ever did shit for me out of everything otc it feels like a small benzo dose for me without side effects

 

[Joe Morgan]

......

 

[Avies48]

Short term memory is shot. Can't remember shit. Had a job and I couldn't remember what I learned the previous day. You don't need it. Unless your on SSI and have a very short fuse

Yes, my fuze is short, and the doc wants to put me on a mood stabalizer, i just need a happy pill, that is all

 

[Joe Morgan]

Yes, my fuze is short, and the doc wants to put me on a mood stabalizer, i just need a happy pill, that is all

have you tried proviron?

 

[Oldschool]

Yes, my fuze is short, and the doc wants to put me on a mood stabalizer, i just need a happy pill, that is all

Man I don’t think there is a “happy pill”. It’s more of finding balance in your life and staying in that groove. It differs for everyone.

 

[Red_subbottom]

Yeah there is no happy pill. However there are pills to help stabilize your mood swings. Which are very helpful... Therapy, coping skills, & CBT will work better then any pill or peptide For anxiety unless you have a true diagnosis from a psychiatrist. NOT a GP. Unless it’s for a short term life problem. Even if it’s for short term therapy is a great problem solver!!!

 

[Avies48]

have you tried proviron?

Yes turned me into a cryin lil biatch, not sure why but yeah girly gurl when on provi

 

[Avies48]

Anyone ever use mirtazapine for mood stabalization???

Doc wants me to try it, but take it at night.... Hmmm i also take xanax at night.... I dont want to sleep for ever....

 

[Avies48]

Yeah there is no happy pill. However there are pills to help stabilize your mood swings. Which are very helpful... Therapy, coping skills, & CBT will work better then any pill or peptide For anxiety unless you have a true diagnosis from a psychiatrist. NOT a GP. Unless it’s for a short term life problem. Even if it’s for short term therapy is a great problem solver!!!

Um yeah NOT FROM A GP, mine came from psych, and prior uncle sam stuff

 

[muscletrain]

Anyone ever use mirtazapine for mood stabalization???

Doc wants me to try it, but take it at night.... Hmmm i also take xanax at night.... I dont want to sleep for ever....

Never tried Mirtazapine (Romeron) but SSRI's and SNRI's are scary shit, I think the only one I would try is Wellbutrin I think it works off dopamine and norepinephrine rather than the traditional SSRI's.

I don't like drugs that can't be explained:

It is unclear if use during pregnancy is safe.[9] How it works is not clear, but it may involve blocking certain adrenergic and serotonin receptors.[8][9] Chemically, it is a tetracyclic antidepressant (TeCA).[9] It also has strong antihistamine effects.[8][9]

probably make you drowsy/help with sleep due to the strong antihistamine effect.

You can check out drugs.com etc for ppls reviews on it but reviews really mean nothing for SSRI's and ADs because everyone is completely different. Your life changing drug might be Romeron, or Wellbutrin.

 

[Red_subbottom]

Um yeah NOT FROM A GP, mine came from psych, and prior uncle sam stuff

That comment wasn’t directed at you amigo. A statement for the thread

 

[Red_subbottom]

Anyone ever use mirtazapine for mood stabalization???

Doc wants me to try it, but take it at night.... Hmmm i also take xanax at night.... I dont want to sleep for ever....

What’s your diagnosis? Mirtazapine is well respected in the mental health community. Have you asked your doctor why he/she choose that one for you?

 

[Red_subbottom]

Never tried Mirtazapine (Romeron) but SSRI's and SNRI's are scary shit, I think the only one I would try is Wellbutrin I think it works off dopamine and norepinephrine rather than the traditional SSRI's.

I don't like drugs that can't be explained:

It is unclear if use during pregnancy is safe.[9] How it works is not clear, but it may involve blocking certain adrenergic and serotonin receptors.[8][9] Chemically, it is a tetracyclic antidepressant (TeCA).[9] It also has strong antihistamine effects.[8][9]

probably make you drowsy/help with sleep due to the strong antihistamine effect.

You can check out drugs.com etc for ppls reviews on it but reviews really mean nothing for SSRI's and ADs because everyone is completely different. Your life changing drug might be Romeron, or Wellbutrin.

SSRI, AD, & a anti psychotics are not scary shit. You preaching your own fears could be preventing someone from getting help themselves. You don’t even understand what you said about Wellbutrin. Your regurgitating selective information about a drug that you don’t understand. Mirtazapine is used for bipolar and depression. So why should he be scared if he is being prescribed it for mood stabilizers not an anti depressant. Wellbutrin is never used for mood stabilizers. Mental health is a sensitive subject for people taking their first medication. Your fears mean nothing especially when you have no evidence to support them.

 

[muscletrain]

SSRI, AD, & a anti psychotics are not scary shit. You preaching your own fears could be preventing someone from getting help themselves. You don’t even understand what you said about Wellbutrin. Your regurgitating selective information about a drug that you don’t understand. Mirtazapine is used for bipolar and depression. So why should he be scared if he is being prescribed it for mood stabilizers not an anti depressant. Wellbutrin is never used for mood stabilizers. Mental health is a sensitive subject for people taking their first medication. Your fears mean nothing especially when you have no evidence to support them.

Sorry I should say they are scary to *me* and I'm not even off base on Wellbutrin at all? Wellbutrin is a NDRI that deals with dopamine and norepi like I said?

If someone needs prescription medication then that's their choice and if it makes their life better I'm all for it. I literally just posted a thread listing all the things that may help with anxiety a few posts ago and you're acting like im in here scaremongering against all AD drugs or something.

If you can fix your problems with therapy or without them that is highly preferred to messing with brain chemistry in any situation, if not that is totally fine.

"You can check out drugs.com etc for ppls reviews on it but reviews really mean nothing for SSRI's and ADs because everyone is completely different. Your life changing drug might be Romeron, or Wellbutrin."

My fears are my own and they shouldn't reflect his choices but lets not act like these drugs are all sunshine and rainbows with no side effects. It's up to the person to decide if the positives outweigh the negatives.