Anyone else about sick to fucking death of the term "social distancing"?

[Dr JIM]

How many NYC physicians or HCP do you know or have communications with ? NONE !

You like many others are misinformed and refuse to acknowledge fact from fantasy.

You want the truth investigate the number of beds available in NYC on March 25 and the number of patients in EVERY ED and the hospital occupancy rate. This public information is available thru the NY public health department, worrldometer or the JohnsHopkins web site

So yea I'll pass on your library request for data

GOOD LUCK

@Villain
And on your quest for NYC "bed availability" ensure "in wall oxygen" is included since hypoxemia IS the primary cause of SARS-COV2 DEATH.

 

[Villain]

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Johnny sucked

 

[Oldschool]

Johnny sucked

 

[Oldschool]

Maybe they're doing fine actually because the Sweden are WHITER than the average Americans?
Yeah, this is a racist virus. Accept it

Then explain the extremely low rates of cases in border towns where literally thousands of people from Mexico come across daily?

That paints a pretty shocking picture of the true state of the United States.

 

[Dr JIM]

I'll keep it brief for those who prefer more simplified "data'.

ONE month later (April 25th) what we now KNOW as the peak of the pandemic in NY, the number of COVID-19 cases had more than tripled.

And as a result ALL NYCs hospitals were overrun, (capacity far exceeded available resources) with patients that could not taken care of, for a variety of reasons.

Those are KNOWN facts.

 

[movingiron88]

I'll keep it brief for those who prefer more simplified "data'.

ONE month later (April 25th) what we now KNOW as the peak of the pandemic in NY, the number of COVID-19 cases had more than tripled.

And as a result ALL NYCs hospitals were overrun, (capacity far exceeded available resources) with patients that could not taken care of, for a variety of reasons.

Those are KNOWN facts.

I am from the area and have worked throughout this exaggerated mess. Most on my job say 60+ guys have not worn masks and most are from the "epicenter". If it was so overrun then why was the comfort ship and the emergency trioshes not used? There were people furious with Cuomo for crying for help then getting it to have not needed it at all. Millions were wasted and never used.

I have a serious question though I cant seem to understand. Why was it incentivised to report covid patients, then ventilators and finally for reporting it as cause of death? I dont get that, whydid they need to make the virus for profit for the hospitals? Whenever money is offered corruption and greed influence the results. It makes no sense.

 

[movingiron88]

Also to add to the conversation, the people that I work with who have been tested for antibodies have all tested positive. There are 4 guys I know of. The one who got results back this past friday has quite a few risk factors. He was getting bloodwork done for them and got the antibody test. None of my coworkers families have been affected except the one guys mother in law almost died in her nursing home. She was strong enough to come off the ventilator. One of the few. Take it for what it's worth I just know my experience in the "epicenter". I will say I work with generally tough rugged people. The women would beat most young wimpy mens ass. So it may influence their immunity.

 

[ergomaniac]

The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population5

(Among states reporting their death totals, 42% of COVID deaths have taken place in long-term care facilities; we also estimate the share as 42% for the full U.S. population, based on incorporating the demographics of the non-reporting states.)

Let that sink in: 42% of all COVID-19 deaths are taking place in facilities that house 0.62% of the U.S. population.

And 42% could be an undercount. States like New York exclude from their nursing home death tallies those who die in a hospital, even if they were originally infected in a long-term care facility. Outside of New York, more than half of all deaths from COVID-19 are of residents in long-term care facilities.

70% of COVID-19 deaths in Ohio, 69% in Pennsylvania

Prior to last week, Ohio reported that 41% of COVID deaths were taking place in long-term care facilities. But updated disclosures last Friday, taking deaths prior to April 15 into account, upped that share to 70%.

In Minnesota, 81% of all COVID-19 deaths are of nursing home and residential care home residents. The region from the eastern seaboard from Virginia to New Hampshire has been especially hard-hit.

 

[Millard]

Whenever money is offered corruption and greed influence the results. It makes no sense.

Wealthiest Hospitals Got Billions in Bailout for Struggling Health Providers
Twenty large chains received more than $5 billion in federal grants even while sitting on more than $100 billion in cash.

A multibillion-dollar institution in the Seattle area invests in hedge funds, runs a pair of venture capital funds and works with elite private equity firms like the Carlyle Group.

But it is not just another deep-pocketed investor hunting for high returns. It is the Providence Health System, one of the country’s largest and richest hospital chains. It is sitting on nearly $12 billion in cash, which it invests, Wall Street-style, in a good year generating more than $1 billion in profits.

And this spring, Providence received at least $509 million in government funds, one of many wealthy beneficiaries of a federal program that is supposed to prevent health care providers from capsizing during the coronavirus pandemic.

So far, the riches are flowing in large part to hospitals that had already built up deep financial reserves to help them withstand an economic storm. Smaller, poorer hospitals are receiving tiny amounts of federal aid by comparison.

Twenty large recipients, including Providence, have received a total of more than $5 billion in recent weeks, according to an analysis of federal data by Good Jobs First, a research group. Those hospital chains were already sitting on more than $108 billion in cash, according to regulatory filings and the bond-rating firms S&P Global and Fitch. A Providence spokeswoman said the grants helped make up for losses from the coronavirus.

Source: Wealthiest Hospitals Got Billions in Bailout for Struggling Health Providers

 

[ickyrica]

Wealthiest Hospitals Got Billions in Bailout for Struggling Health Providers
Twenty large chains received more than $5 billion in federal grants even while sitting on more than $100 billion in cash.

A multibillion-dollar institution in the Seattle area invests in hedge funds, runs a pair of venture capital funds and works with elite private equity firms like the Carlyle Group.

But it is not just another deep-pocketed investor hunting for high returns. It is the Providence Health System, one of the country’s largest and richest hospital chains. It is sitting on nearly $12 billion in cash, which it invests, Wall Street-style, in a good year generating more than $1 billion in profits.

And this spring, Providence received at least $509 million in government funds, one of many wealthy beneficiaries of a federal program that is supposed to prevent health care providers from capsizing during the coronavirus pandemic.

So far, the riches are flowing in large part to hospitals that had already built up deep financial reserves to help them withstand an economic storm. Smaller, poorer hospitals are receiving tiny amounts of federal aid by comparison.

Twenty large recipients, including Providence, have received a total of more than $5 billion in recent weeks, according to an analysis of federal data by Good Jobs First, a research group. Those hospital chains were already sitting on more than $108 billion in cash, according to regulatory filings and the bond-rating firms S&P Global and Fitch. A Providence spokeswoman said the grants helped make up for losses from the coronavirus.

Source: Wealthiest Hospitals Got Billions in Bailout for Struggling Health Providers

Well, shit....

 

[flenser]

Because NYC hospitals were OVER RUN with patients early in the PANDEMIC, Como made a decision (March 25th) to release those with a much lower rate of survival. And of course many of these elderly patients returned to the nursing home where they came from as no other options existed EARLY on in the pandemic.

Only after the Military and Corp OF Engineers arrived was Como able to better accommodate the needs of Nursing home residents which allowed him to enact a NEW order (May 10th) that explicitly forbidding the discharge of COVID-19 patients to any facility unable to appropriately treat them.

This was done in an effort make room for those would had a greater probability of living. The process is called TRIAGE and has been used in every WAR. For a realtime view of what I'm referring to as triage, watch the first 15 TO 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan.

And Kudos to Como for having the foresight to enact COVID-19 limited liability protections for HCP, bc wo it many physicians would be facing post pandemic lawsuits from those in search of someone to blame - exclusive of CCP




--- The unreliability of antibody assays has been KNOWN for some time, and is one reason these tests are used primarily for surveillance rather than confirming a diagnosis of COVID-19.

--- show me ANY current data that supports this assertion --- and please don't post another MODEL projecting mortality since they have been wrong from the outset.


JIM

The released elderly patients didn't just "return to the facility". The facilities were mandated to accept them, even though they were not remotely capable of providing adequate quarantine. By doing so Cuomo guaranteed that for every bed freed by releasing a former LTC patient there would be multiple beds required from new infections caused by inserting a COVID positive patient back into the facility. There were reasonable alternatives suggested, but Cuomo ignored them.

 

[juicy122]

looks like corona is gone now in states now its riots and protests this world is burning i swear. 5 more months till elections god knows what else we are witnessing some fked up shit these days.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

looks like corona is gone now in states now its riots and protests this world is burning i swear. 5 more months till elections god knows what else we are witnessing some fked up shit these days.

I thought the same thing the first night of looting and pillaging in Minneapolis. Covid is over. Now they want us to fight each other.

The democrats definitely don’t play very fair. Just a week after Biden offends black people they go right back to Obama’s go to: racism.

Racism really only exists because the media talks about it nonstop.

 

[juicy122]

I thought the same thing the first night of looting and pillaging in Minneapolis. Covid is over. Now they want us to fight each other.

The democrats definitely don’t play very fair. Just a week after Biden offends black people they go right back to Obama’s go to: racism.

Racism really only exists because the media talks about it nonstop.

exactly! so fucked up.

 

[Dr JIM]

The released elderly patients didn't just "return to the facility". The facilities were mandated to accept them.

yea and what other alternatives were available that possessed supplemental oxygen AND respiratory isolation capability.

I not here to defend political decision on the left or right but rather to help others understand how this NOVEL virus differs from ANY infectious disease since
1919.

Of course “mistakes” were made but hindsight is 20/20 in any PANDEMIC

 

[Joe Morgan]

yea and what other alternatives were available that possessed supplemental oxygen AND respiratory isolation capability.

I not here to defend political decision on the left or right but rather to help others understand how this NOVEL virus differs from ANY infectious disease since
1919.

Of course “mistakes” were made but hindsight is 20/20 in any PANDEMIC

The ship parked in the harbor or the Javits center. Had about 4000 beds available.

New York had an over supply of ventilators.

 

[flenser]

yea and what other alternatives were available that possessed supplemental oxygen AND respiratory isolation capability.

I not here to defend political decision on the left or right but rather to help others understand how this NOVEL virus differs from ANY infectious disease since
1919.

Of course “mistakes” were made but hindsight is 20/20 in any PANDEMIC

The one I remember liking at the time was to transfer LTC patients out of nursing homes receiving released COVID patients, and to other nursing homes. Neither would have required the enhanced care needed for COVID patients. It would still have been expensive, but not as expensive as the extra beds needed to care for all those newly infected patients.

 

[flenser]

I not here to defend political decision on the left or right but rather to help others understand how this NOVEL virus differs from ANY infectious disease since
1919.

I disagree. It's not even close. The only thing this virus has in common with the Spanish flu is they are both suspected of being the result of accidents related to vaccine research. If and when COVID-19 starts taking out a significant number of the productive population I'll admit I was wrong.

 

[Dr JIM]

I disagree. It's not even close. The only thing this virus has in common with the Spanish flu is they are both suspected of being the result of accidents related to vaccine research. If and when COVID-19 starts taking out a significant number of the productive population I'll admit I was wrong.

A 1919 Spanish Flu / COVID-19 IS is an apples to oranges comparison for a variety of reasons.

And suggestions vaccine research was the source for either pandemic are conspiratorial theories based upon junk science.

GOOD LUCK

 

[Oldschool]

I not here to defend political decision on the left or right but rather to help others understand how this NOVEL virus differs from ANY infectious disease since
1919.

I disagree. It's not even close. The only thing this virus has in common with the Spanish flu is they are both suspected of being the result of accidents related to vaccine research.

Talk about apples to oranges. LMFAO