Anyone else about sick to fucking death of the term "social distancing"?

[flenser]

Finally, the real experts are collecting data..

Gang Of Monkeys Attacks Lab Assistant, Escape With Coronavirus Test Samples

Tyler Durden
Fri, 05/29/2020
A gang of monkeys in Delhi, India assaulted a laboratory assistant and escaped with coronavirus test samples from three patients, according to Sky News, citing local media.

full article

 

[Skard]

 

[Oldschool]

Thus, the argument is over. Anyone who advocates universal masking is merely engaging in virtue signaling, not public health.
Masks Are Symbolic,’ say Dr Fauci and The New England Journal of Medicine
By Jim Hoft
Published May 28, 2020 at 12:13pm
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Guest post by Bill Hennessey

In the past week, Dr. Anthony Fauci and the New England Journal of Medicine have admitted that masks are little more than symbols. Virtue signaling.

For those of you who shout “science” like it’s a Tourette tick, this is from the New England Journal of Medicine on May 21, 2020:

We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.

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So, why are we ordered to wear masks? Symbolism. From the same article in NEJM:

It is also clear that masks serve symbolic roles. Masks are not only tools, they are also talismans that may help increase health care workers’ perceived sense of safety, well-being, and trust in their hospitals.
he Surgeon General was widely mocked and ridiculed for suggesting in March that masks might even increase the spread of the virus. Yet, here, the esteemed New England Journal of Medicine provides the same warning to mask-wearers:

What is clear, however, is that universal masking alone is not a panacea. A mask will not protect providers caring for a patient with active Covid-19 if it’s not accompanied by meticulous hand hygiene, eye protection, gloves, and a gown. A mask alone will not prevent health care workers with early Covid-19 from contaminating their hands and spreading the virus to patients and colleagues. Focusing on universal masking alone may, paradoxically, lead to more transmission of Covid-19 if it diverts attention from implementing more fundamental infection-control measures.

Thus, the argument is over. Anyone who advocates universal masking is merely engaging in virtue signaling, not public health.

It’s time to unmask. I, for one, don’t have enough

Your first post I quoted makes no sense to the argument. We weren't talking about doctors and nurses. We were speaking in terms of an average person. If you need a doctor and a fucking pandemic to realize you need to wash your fucking hands you are an idiot. And you are cherry picking literature to fit your argument. Quoting the "experts" that you blame in previous posts.

The second post is just as bad. Corona virus killed that person's mom. I bet the dumb motherfucker disregarded public warnings and infected his/her mother.

 

[ergomaniac]

Not for nothing this virus is called the Boomer-Remover.



Somehow Gates looks desperate.
He doesn't look anything like someone who's grabbed the world by the balls.

He looks like he's actually begging people to accept vaccines.

The video is worth watching imo. I was surprised @Dr JIM watched it. There's some tough questions in there. And the same old, same old. Is some technology good or bad, its not that simple.

 

[ergomaniac]

Your first post I quoted makes no sense to the argument. We weren't talking about doctors and nurses. We were speaking in terms of an average person. If you need a doctor and a fucking pandemic to realize you need to wash your fucking hands you are an idiot. And you are cherry picking literature to fit your argument. Quoting the "experts" that you blame in previous posts.

The second post is just as bad. Corona virus killed that person's mom. I bet the dumb motherfucker disregarded public warnings and infected his/her mother.

I'll bet she was in a nursing home, and a covid patient got sent back, disregarding public warnings.

 

[Joe Morgan]

"CDC Admits COVID-19 Antibody Tests Are Wrong Half The Time & Virus Isn't That Deadly.
The mainstream media is ignoring the fact that the CDC has admitted the death rate for COVID-19 is actually LOWER than the flu. This is happening as the media admits that the antibody tests are wrong 50% of the time!"
CDC Admits COVID-19 Antibody Tests Are Wrong Half The Time & Virus Isn't That Deadly

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

It may be more contagious than the flu, but not as deadly.

 

[Villain]

"CDC Admits COVID-19 Antibody Tests Are Wrong Half The Time & Virus Isn't That Deadly.
The mainstream media is ignoring the fact that the CDC has admitted the death rate for COVID-19 is actually LOWER than the flu. This is happening as the media admits that the antibody tests are wrong 50% of the time!"
CDC Admits COVID-19 Antibody Tests Are Wrong Half The Time & Virus Isn't That Deadly

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

It may be more contagious than the flu, but not as deadly.

Though there are possible long term effects of it that we aren’t aware of yet.

 

[Dr JIM]

Because NYC hospitals were OVER RUN with patients early in the PANDEMIC, Como made a decision (March 25th) to release those with a much lower rate of survival. And of course many of these elderly patients returned to the nursing home where they came from as no other options existed EARLY on in the pandemic.

Only after the Military and Corp OF Engineers arrived was Como able to better accommodate the needs of Nursing home residents which allowed him to enact a NEW order (May 10th) that explicitly forbidding the discharge of COVID-19 patients to any facility unable to appropriately treat them.

This was done in an effort make room for those would had a greater probability of living. The process is called TRIAGE and has been used in every WAR. For a realtime view of what I'm referring to as triage, watch the first 15 TO 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan.

And Kudos to Como for having the foresight to enact COVID-19 limited liability protections for HCP, bc wo it many physicians would be facing post pandemic lawsuits from those in search of someone to blame - exclusive of CCP

"CDC
Antibody Tests Are Wrong Half The Time

It may be more contagious than the flu, but not as deadly ---

--- The unreliability of antibody assays has been KNOWN for some time, and is one reason these tests are used primarily for surveillance rather than confirming a diagnosis of COVID-19.

--- show me ANY current data that supports this assertion --- and please don't post another MODEL projecting mortality since they have been wrong from the outset.


JIM

 

[Villain]

Because NYC hospitals were OVER RUN with patients early in the PANDEMIC, Como made a decision to release those with a much lower rate of survival. And of course many of these elderly patients returned to the nursing home where they came from as no other options existed EARLY on in the pandemic.

This was done in an effort make room for those would had a greater probability of living. The process is called TRIAGE and has been used in every WAR. For a realtime view of what I'm referring to as triage, watch the first 15 TO 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan.

And Kudos to Como for having the foresight to enact COVID-19 limited liability protections for HCP, bc wo it many physicians would be facing post pandemic lawsuits from those in search of someone to blame - exclusive of CCP




--- The unreliability of antibody assays has been KNOWN for some time, and is one reason these tests are used primarily for surveillance rather than confirming a diagnosis of COVID-19.

--- show me ANY current data that supports this assertion --- and please don't post another MODEL projecting mortality since they have been wrong from the outset.


JIM

Overrun? I’m pretty sure it was proven that CBS used a picture of an Italian hospital and not once were NY hospitals overrun. Please do correct me if I’m wrong, with evidence please.

 

[Villain]

 

[Oldschool]

Overrun? I’m pretty sure it was proven that CBS used a picture of an Italian hospital and not once were NY hospitals overrun. Please do correct me if I’m wrong, with evidence please.

 

[master.on]

Finally, the real experts are collecting data..

Gang Of Monkeys Attacks Lab Assistant, Escape With Coronavirus Test Samples

Tyler Durden
Fri, 05/29/2020
A gang of monkeys in Delhi, India assaulted a laboratory assistant and escaped with coronavirus test samples from three patients, according to Sky News, citing local media.

full article

12 monkeys
the movie, anyone?

"CDC Admits COVID-19 Antibody Tests Are Wrong Half The Time & Virus Isn't That Deadly.
The mainstream media is ignoring the fact that the CDC has admitted the death rate for COVID-19 is actually LOWER than the flu. This is happening as the media admits that the antibody tests are wrong 50% of the time!"
CDC Admits COVID-19 Antibody Tests Are Wrong Half The Time & Virus Isn't That Deadly

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

It may be more contagious than the flu, but not as deadly.

They never said that it is less deadly
If you were to actually read the CDC release

Disease Severity
Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio: The number of symptomatic individuals who die of the disease among all individuals experiencing symptoms from the infection. This parameter is not necessarily equivalent to the number of reported deaths per reported cases, because many cases and deaths are never confirmed to be COVID-19, and there is a lag in time between when people are infected and when they die. This parameter reflects the existing standard of care and may be affected by the introduction of new therapeutics.

Symptomatic Case Hospitalization Ratio: The number of symptomatic individuals who are hospitalized from the disease among all individuals experiencing symptoms from the infection. This parameter is not necessarily equivalent to the number of reported hospitalizations per reported cases, because many cases and deaths are never confirmed to be COVID-19, and there is a lag in time between when people are infected and when they die. This parameter reflects the existing standard of care and may be affected by the introduction of new therapeutics.

Though there are possible long term effects of it that we aren’t aware of yet.

If tens or hundreds of millions of people get infected, most gov't budgets will be bankrupt for DECADES to come from providing healthcare to millions of people with long term damage from the virus.

'Thousands' Of Dutch COVID-19 Survivors Likely Have Permanent Lung Damage According To Top Pulmonologist

 

[Joe Morgan]

Because NYC hospitals were OVER RUN with patients early in the PANDEMIC, Como made a decision (March 25th) to release those with a much lower rate of survival. And of course many of these elderly patients returned to the nursing home where they came from as no other options existed EARLY on in the pandemic.

Only after the Military and Corp OF Engineers arrived was Como able to better accommodate the needs of Nursing home residents which allowed him to enact a NEW order (May 10th) that explicitly forbidding the discharge of COVID-19 patients to any facility unable to appropriately treat them.

This was done in an effort make room for those would had a greater probability of living. The process is called TRIAGE and has been used in every WAR. For a realtime view of what I'm referring to as triage, watch the first 15 TO 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan.

And Kudos to Como for having the foresight to enact COVID-19 limited liability protections for HCP, bc wo it many physicians would be facing post pandemic lawsuits from those in search of someone to blame - exclusive of CCP




--- The unreliability of antibody assays has been KNOWN for some time, and is one reason these tests are used primarily for surveillance rather than confirming a diagnosis of COVID-19.

--- show me ANY current data that supports this assertion --- and please don't post another MODEL projecting mortality since they have been wrong from the outset.


JIM

look at the number of the official reported deaths of COVID-19. those numbers are not accurate.

 

[Dr JIM]

Overrun? I’m pretty sure it was proven that CBS used a picture of an Italian hospital and not once were NY hospitals overrun. Please do correct me if I’m wrong, with evidence please.

How many NYC physicians or HCP do you know or have communications with ? NONE !

You like many others are misinformed and refuse to acknowledge fact from fantasy.

You want the truth investigate the number of beds available in NYC on March 25 and the number of patients in EVERY ED and the hospital occupancy rate. This public information is available thru the NY public health department, worrldometer or the JohnsHopkins web site

So yea I'll pass on your library request for data

GOOD LUCK

 

[Joe Morgan]

12 monkeys
the movie, anyone?



They never said that it is less deadly
If you were to actually read the CDC release

Disease Severity
Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio: The number of symptomatic individuals who die of the disease among all individuals experiencing symptoms from the infection. This parameter is not necessarily equivalent to the number of reported deaths per reported cases, because many cases and deaths are never confirmed to be COVID-19, and there is a lag in time between when people are infected and when they die. This parameter reflects the existing standard of care and may be affected by the introduction of new therapeutics.

Symptomatic Case Hospitalization Ratio: The number of symptomatic individuals who are hospitalized from the disease among all individuals experiencing symptoms from the infection. This parameter is not necessarily equivalent to the number of reported hospitalizations per reported cases, because many cases and deaths are never confirmed to be COVID-19, and there is a lag in time between when people are infected and when they die. This parameter reflects the existing standard of care and may be affected by the introduction of new therapeutics.



If tens or hundreds of millions of people get infected, most gov't budgets will be bankrupt for DECADES to come from providing healthcare to millions of people with long term damage from the virus.

'Thousands' Of Dutch COVID-19 Survivors Likely Have Permanent Lung Damage According To Top Pulmonologist

the numbers are not accurate.

 

[Dr JIM]

And the CDC has said that from the outset, EVERYTHING is subject to change, based upon NEW information.

 

[Dresden]

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Americans calling for herd immunity should look at Sweden's coronavirus experiment to see why it won't work

 

[Dr JIM]

Americans calling for herd immunity should look at Sweden's coronavirus experiment to see why it won't work

ANY ONE who believes herd immunity, now or in the near future, is a remedy to this pandemic is living in the land of OZ.

 

[Dresden]

An Italian study revealed that most of the patients who have died from the coronavirus previously had some type of illness or pre-existing condition.
The average age of those who have died from the Chinese virus in Italy is 79.5, according to a study by Italian health authorities, who have been examining the medical records involving the nation’s surging coronavirus death toll.

The study adds that more than 99 percent of Italy’s coronavirus deaths have been people who were previously ill or had some type of pre-existing medical condition, such as high blood pressure or diabetes.

Among those who have died from the Wuhan virus in Italy, more than 76 percent of them had high blood pressure, more than 35 percent had diabetes, 33 percent had heart disease, and more than 24 percent had atrial fibrillation, or “AFib,” according to Italy’s national health authority.

So far, 17 people under the age of 50 have died from the disease in Italy, all of whom have had some type of previous illness, the study finds.

COVID-19: YOU ALL BEEN PLAYED

so that means if their illness wasn't complicated by having COVID 19 they would most likely still be alive right?

 

[master.on]

Americans calling for herd immunity should look at Sweden's coronavirus experiment to see why it won't work

Maybe they're doing fine actually because the Sweden are WHITER than the average Americans?
Yeah, this is a racist virus. Accept it. Statistics have proven this over and over again.

ANY ONE who believes herd immunity, now or in the near future, is a remedy to this pandemic is living in the land of OZ.

So true.

so that means if their illness wasn't complicated by having COVID 19 they would most likely still be alive right?

For old people with undelying conditions it's hard to know.