Banning immigrants from "certain" countries

Not sure how this has anything to do with my statement unless your saying we did the middle east dirty and now we should let angry Muslims in to america.

Yeah, in this area @Docd187123 is unable to come up with a prescription - pun intended.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to get liberals to honestly spell out what they are for - in tangible terms, not in fluffy feel-good campaign speech language - so that we can have a real policy discussion with pros/cons and cost/benefit analysis as well as relate how that plays with our Constitution. It all hits a big RED emotional brick wall - and turns to ad hominems and expletives pretty much instantly.

How can you have a debate with someone who believes that Desert Storm and other ME actions were about "stealing oil"?

That's like saying that the US Revolution was about the price of tea in Boston...

Beam me up - as my favorite liberal, James Traficant RIP, used to say.
 
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Its too bad the Middle East does not have enough wealth to take care of its own people.
 
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Its too bad the Middle East does not have enough wealth to take care of its own people.

Yeah, read about the weird concept of perpetual Palestinian "refugees" - "the only refugees in the world to be mainly inherited, including unregistered, displaced persons and refugee descendants" - this nonsense has gone on since 1948 !

"The term "Palestine refugees" originally referred to both Arabs and Jews whose normal place of residence had been in Mandatory Palestine but were displaced and lost their livelihoods as a result of the 1948 Palestine war.[5] The UNRWA definition of the term includes the patrilineal descendants of the original "Palestine refugees", but is limited to persons residing in UNRWA's areas of operation in the Palestinian territories, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria.[5][6] In 2012, there were an estimated 4,950,000 registered patrilineal descendants of the original "Palestine refugees",[6] based on the UNRWA registration requirements,[2][3][7][8] of which an estimated 1.5 million lived in UNRWA camps.[9] The number of original refugees "who meet UNRWA's Palestine Refugee criteria" was 711,000 in 1950[1] of which approximately 30,000–50,000 were still alive in 2012.[10]

During the 1948 Palestine War, around 85% (720,000 people) of the Palestinian Arab population of what became Israel fled or were expelled from their homes, to the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and to the countries of Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.[11][12] They, and their descendants, who are also entitled to registration, are assisted by UNWRA in 59 registered camps, 10 of which were established in the aftermath of the Six-Day War in 1967 to cope with new Palestinian refugees.[13] Being the only refugees in the world to be mainly inherited, including unregistered, displaced persons and refugee descendants, the Palestinian Arab refugee and displaced population has grown to be the second largest in the world,[14] after an estimated 11,000,000 Syrians displaced by the Syrian Civil War. They are also the world's oldest unsettled refugee population, having been under the ongoing governance of Arab states following the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, the refugee populations of the West Bank under Israeli governance since the Six Day War, and the Gaza Strip administered by the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) since 2007. Citizenship or legal residency in host countries is denied in Lebanon where the absorption of Palestinians would upset a delicate confessional balance, but available in Jordan where approximately 40% of UNWRA-registered Palestinian refugees have acquired full citizenship rights.[15][16]

On 11 December 1948, the UN General Assembly in non-binding Resolution 194, Article 11 resolved that the refugees who wish to "live at peace with their neighbors … should be permitted" to return to their homes at the "earliest practicable date"[17][18] This forms one basis for the Palestinian political claim for a 'Palestinian right of return'.

An independent poll conducted in 2003 with the Palestinian populations of Gaza, West Bank, Jordan and Lebanon showed that the majority (54%) would accept a financial compensation and a place to live in West Bank or Gaza in place of returning to the exact place in modern-day Israel where they or their ancestors lived (this possibility of settlement is contemplated in the Resolution 194). Only 10% said they would live in Israel if given the option."

Palestinian refugees - Wikipedia

*** OT post - but an example of how illogically the world operates regarding Muslim "refugees". With this approach, Mexicans in the US would be called "refugees" too. Actually, what group (other than white males of course) wouldn't be refugees.....? Liberal Newspeak at work again.
 
No, but I may just have to. Wait, are you trying to sell bannon's books? Lol.
No I despise his bigotry. I like to be informed of the other point of you. it makes my argument more sound if I understand the other side. And I do have an open mind
 
So you think all these people mean us harm? What makes you think these people would take up arms against us?

You seem to be missing the point. When we act like pricks without justification it absolutely aids the enemy. We are the good guys remember?

If we had tons of attacks inside the us from muslim refugees it would be different. With the exception of 911 the largest numbers of Americans have been killed by fellow Americans.

Speaking of 911..nearly all the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Funny saudi arabi isnt on the ban.

Ever wonder why? Because it isnt about keeping us safe. Its about fooling people that he is keeping us safe. He wouldn't dare piss of the saudis. Why? $$$$$$$

By the way. Osama bin laden was also saudi. How can you not see this for what it is?? Bullshit pr stunt that will cause more damage than good.

Which sums up our involvement with fighting extremism for the last couple decades.
Wait, what? I'm not the one that said denying someone refugee or immigration status into America helps turn someone in to a terrorist.
 
Wait, what? I'm not the one that said denying someone refugee or immigration status into America helps turn someone in to a terrorist.

Lots of folks on here who should be given "Obama bags" - paper bags for them to hyperventilate in. I'm surprised that so many on Meso are such ninnies.
 
Started yesterday. It's astonishing. things I didn't know about the world history from a perspective that is somewhat disturbing. I can't give you a full explanation until I am through. How about you? He is the shadow president!
Do you know anything about his history or political view of the world order? It is remarkable how this man is in White House who has an extremely negative views of the human history !!!!

Which book?

Donald Trump, Stephen Bannon and the Coming Crisis in American National Life
Donald Trump, Stephen Bannon and the Coming Crisis in American National Life

During the 1990s, two amateur historians, Neil Howe and the late William Strauss, developed a new theory of American history in two books, Generations: the History of America’s Future (1991), and The Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy (1997). They identified an 80-year cycle in American history, punctuated by great crises that destroyed an old order and created a new one.

Though their theory is not widely taught in colleges or discussed in the media, Strauss and Howe may well play a major role in Donald Trump's administration. Stephen Bannon, the former head of Breitbart News who has been appointed Trump’s chief strategist in the White House, is very familiar with Strauss and Howe’s theory of crisis, and has been thinking about how to use it to achieve particular goals for quite a while. I know this because Bannon interviewed both Neil Howe and myself in 2009 while he was making a documentary film about the ongoing financial crisis. The film, called Generation Zero, discussed those ideas in some detail.

Bannon focused on the key aspect of their theory, the idea that every 80 years American history has been marked by a crisis, or “fourth turning,” that destroyed an old order and created a new one: The great crises identified by Strauss and Howe included the era of the American Revolution and the Constitution (1774-1794); the Civil War and its immediate aftermath (1860-68); and the Depression and the Second World War (1929-45). Doing the math, they predicted another great crisis sometime in the first 15 years of the 21st century.


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I understand why so many of you guys like trump. He never gets to the heart of the problem. He simplifies everything as if the issues are simple.
 
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