Benf15harp
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Imagine thinking daily natural peak time is 3-4 hours long. Keep going.
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clearheaded
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false, you metabolize consumed fat into energy aswell, does not have to go into storage first that wouldn't of been very good for evolution
fats actually take the least effort/calories for your body to process into energy, less than carbs even, but yes take longer to be released but intaking fats helps keep energy levels over long periods vs carbs or protein. its like ethanol(sugar simple bonds) vs crude oil or diesel. (longer bonds)
clearheaded
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5-8am is peak testosterone for most people well documented.. @Benf15harp you are incorrect, and perhaps missed the point aswell..
stick around if want to learn something instead of giving bad advice about the simplest things you obv dont understand. If you just want to be a troll might aswell leave now as making yourself look very very silly.
stick around if want to learn something instead of giving bad advice about the simplest things you obv dont understand. If you just want to be a troll might aswell leave now as making yourself look very very silly.
Deimosx
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got any links on the bpc and cancer studies?
clearheaded
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no human studies. but couple on animals.. also one of the things they say is that angiogenesis PREVENTS cancer, which is typically not the case, usually feeds the cancer..
here is a little blurb. also I cant find it but a start up was studing bpc-157 a couple years ago they stopped as one group was getting cancer at higher rates than normal for that genetic. cant find it as was just a couple updates about the study and seems to be scrubbed. there is very much an effort in peptide groups to downplay any negatives as they all are payed for by peptide sellers. very much evangelical about peptides, negative experiences will get deleted or allergic reactions to TB etc all downplayed..its pretty wild, infact one of the bigger sellers would lie about what test results indicated and criticism is scrubbed. ie would say his peptides were tested for dosage, but weren't and people who dont understand results would be told the line that says the label ie 5mg is what the results were when in actuality only purity was tested..never forget 100s of millions of dollars are at stake for chinas supply and resellers in America group owners who get kick backs from coupon codes etc, but I digress.
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Bigbicep
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Test hgh and mots-c
BachmanityInsanity
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No the body can use consumed fat as energy and more readily if very low carb days are used to train the body.
The idea is this training then allows the body to easily use stored fat as energy. So fasted morning cardio taps into fat stores quicker and deeper.
The idea is also if the body is well trained at using fat, times when blood sugar is low in the day but you’re faced with a long walk (out shopping and don’t want to stop to eat so you get very hungry but walk around for an hour), you will burn some fat quite easily.
The shopping example is my experience when I’m lean and my insulin sensitivity is great, just a little bit of hunger and moderate moving turns you into a fat burning furnace !
lol good try, you just did ur straw man argument... but AGAIN, using differing animal comparisons does not work. what we can do is compare animals within the same species. when we do this we see that higher the IGF the shorter the life (within that species) we also see people with NO gh/igf die early..
again, your right there have been no studies on healthy people taking GH. but your straw man argument of using "old people" doesn't apply here as we are talking mid life taking GH for longevity when we know this to be bad..
why is GH bad for longevity?
-blood sugar, taking GH often leads to blood sugar issues. the higher your blood sugar gets the worse inflammation etc you get leading to disease.
-organ growth we know this happens and we know it kills people sooner
-bigger people with higher IGF for more of there life die sooner, no ifs ands or buts
-increase cancer growth. high GH and IGF is why kids cancer is soo bad.. why do first world nations with obesity and high IGF GH get more cancer than skinnier third world nations?
-why do castrated animals live longer with lower IGF and TEst levels?
- small people live longest, small people stay active the longest.
when everything points in one direction this in science is called a validated. this is what we have here..
if you test your IGF and its lower than reference range and your 50yo and your tendons are snapping or have osteoporosis and are wasting away, then yes you will live longer with supplementing GH.. but if your normal and young and your IGF is high for all your life your chances of dying earlier than your peers is likely.
lol its so funny you guys want to lie to yourselves about GH use and anything that questions that core belief cannot be true and take snippets of what some YouTube says and not completely understand whats going on.
at any rate, no substantiated evidence elevating GH or IGF makes non deficient people live longer.. we know that
on a side note as ur ramble about "science", you clearly have not conducted science, probably read your first paper in 2020 during pandemic.. and since then have gone off the deep end about science as you never developed an understanding of how it works and that it is an ever evolving thing.
anyway, even the most progressive DRs will tell you elevating your GH/igf is likely to kill you sooner. folks often conflate things like well DRs are RXing it for longevity after blood tests indicate LOW#s in 65yo, so therefore should be good for everyone all the time... if looked into it further and follower the top 15% of "in range" IGF people and compare that to lower 15% of in range and seethe lives longest
This also goes for testosterone, with injections you target say 950 as per normal range. but somehow folks forget that the "normal range" is only for a few hours a day not 24/7. and we can also note that even the people with upper range natural testosterone levels will die sooner than bottom normal range baring no other metabolic issues. that is to say a guy with natural 950 will be 950 for 3-4 hrs a day, the rest he will sit around 450-550 or so. so if you had a guy that was naturally 950 at supper time (like injections provide) this would be someone who would test 1600-1800 at his peak in the am... so IGF will be ALOT higher even though targeting "trt" levels. so despite you thinking you are in a healthy normal range you are actually very much super physiological in how much useable test you have in your body compared to upper limit natural person. most DRs know this but TRT pill mills obv dont follow this idea and is now in the zeitgeist, but they will start cracking down on this esp now as instead of old school 1 time every 2 weeks guys are injecting 3 times per week with double or 4x the dosage of old school 200-250 per 2 weeks so dont have the periods of lower testosterone that natural people have.
All you've done is spewed a torrent of verbosity in my direction including the laughable "what we know", the overwhelming majority of which is nothing but your attempt to overwhelm by forceful assertion in your own instinct and shallow conclusions. Not one referenced study. Not ONE. As I said, you assert your intuition like a religious zealot, and again hinging on the "denial" of the certainty of your conclusion. You're a clown, overconfident in your evidence free, untrained "common sense" approach to highly complex, multifactorial issues.
clearheaded
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pretty easy to verify, if anythings confusing just ask or google scholar... obv not going to cite for a troll.
also see above referenced article lol studies are linked btw.. so again, great try but a swing and a miss yet again your the only one making things up..
also see above referenced article lol studies are linked btw.. so again, great try but a swing and a miss yet again
your the only one making things up..
Benf15harp
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You’re not peaking for 3 hours. You’re giving a window which is also incorrect.
Benf15harp
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Nope. But, sounds good.false, you metabolize consumed fat into energy aswell, does not have to go into storage first that wouldn't of been very good for evolution
fats actually take the least effort/calories for your body to process into energy, less than carbs even, but yes take longer to be released but intaking fats helps keep energy levels over long periods vs carbs or protein. its like ethanol(sugar simple bonds) vs crude oil or diesel. (longer bonds)
Yes, rapamycin is the wonder drug of choice for mice, fungus, and fruit flies. Whether it translates to people isn't known. But a lot people are betting that it does. Most users buy from India, which has the best prices.
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clearheaded
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retin-a but all "vitamin A" is good like retinol.. eat sources of animal fat with zinc and vitamin a.
pretty easy to verify, if anythings confusing just ask or google scholar... obv not going to cite for a troll.
also see above referenced article lol studies are linked btw.. so again, great try but a swing and a miss yet again
There's a reply button so thread continuity is properly maintained, instead of responding without any reference to the comment being addressed
In tens of thousands of comments I've seen here, no one, not even the most braindead, barely literate knuckle dragger has failed to use that function as intended.
While you're at it, finding the shift key would also help your comments appear a bit more credible, instead being formatted like a 12 year old girl's texts
clearheaded
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lol when ur wrong u try personal attacks..A for effort but when ur wrong ur wrong. although ur smart enough to figure out the reply under you was talking about u.. GREAT WORK! lol
Besides the obvious (weight training, cardio, sleep, and nutritoion), Rapamycin seems to be number one.
Other drugs like Acarbose, SGLT2 like Empagliflozin, Telmisartan, statin/Ezetimibe combo, and cialis seem to be life extending as well.
On the supplement side, the glycine/nac combo, melatonin, astaxanthin, and taurine are the ones that stand out.
collagen & hyaluronic acid for better skin. Also tretinoin face cream. sunscreen to prevent skin aging.
Making sure you aren't deficit in any nutrients (magnesium, vitamin d, b vitamins like b12, folate, etc.)
Also, making sure you aren't deficit in any hormones (testosterone, thyroid, igf, etc.)
Other drugs like Acarbose, SGLT2 like Empagliflozin, Telmisartan, statin/Ezetimibe combo, and cialis seem to be life extending as well.
On the supplement side, the glycine/nac combo, melatonin, astaxanthin, and taurine are the ones that stand out.
collagen & hyaluronic acid for better skin. Also tretinoin face cream. sunscreen to prevent skin aging.
Making sure you aren't deficit in any nutrients (magnesium, vitamin d, b vitamins like b12, folate, etc.)
Also, making sure you aren't deficit in any hormones (testosterone, thyroid, igf, etc.)
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As far as the HGH debate goes, the TRIIM and ongoing TRIIM-X trials seem to be strong counter arguments to the idea that hgh accelerates again. I think high doses accelerate it, but therapeutic doses may actually extend it. We can't say for sure yet.
