Blacks 24 vs 29

[Ambiguous]

I started with batch 24 and it would wreck me. Lethargic, low blood sugar etc. But I pushed through it and the side effects went away. I assumed it was me getting used to the GH. I've been running 4ius for mths from multiple batches. I am currently running batch 29 and all is good 4ius ed in the morning treating vials as 10iu. Anyway I came across a batch 24 kit I forgot about and started using it-- 4ius yesterday morning. And it wrecked me all over again. Any ideas?

 

[Mbell4377]

Welcome to the world of generic GH...
Inconsistent and always a guessing game...
My thought is kit 24 is overdosed..

 

[Evom1]

Well you're not actually taking 4iu you're taking 6iu because the vials are 15iu. This has been covered alot on here, and by both pd and tp themselves.

For me batch 19 caused wicked bad CTS, #30 is maybe 10% as bad.

 

[Mbell4377]

Well you're not actually taking 4iu you're taking 6iu because the vials are 15iu. This has been covered alot on here, and by both pd and tp themselves.

For me batch 19 caused wicked bad CTS, #30 is maybe 10% as bad.

Yep ^^^^

 

[Ambiguous]

Well you're not actually taking 4iu you're taking 6iu because the vials are 15iu. This has been covered alot on here, and by both pd and tp themselves.

For me batch 19 caused wicked bad CTS, #30 is maybe 10% as bad.

So is it possible the blacks are becoming cleaning more refined as manufacturing experience increases?

 

[Evom1]

So is it possible the blacks are becoming cleaning more refined as manufacturing experience increases?

I made a post way back asking why they cause so much CTS. No one had a real answer

 

[ickyrica]

I'm on 30. Has me slightly puffy and numb at 4iu daily.

 

[janoshik]

There were a huge step ups in quality of black tops between #26 to #29 and to #30.

(for earlier batches I'd have to check)

 

[janoshik]

So is it possible the blacks are becoming cleaning more refined as manufacturing experience increases?

yes

 

[Evom1]

There were a huge step ups in quality of black tops between #26 to #29 and to #30.

(for earlier batches I'd have to check)

Could you elaborate on exactly what you mean by quality?

 

[janoshik]

Could you elaborate on exactly what you mean by quality?

Protein purity and dimer content.
Those are the things that matter and those that I test for.

The higher the purity, the better, the lower the dimer, the better.

I think it was described in these articles:
Analysis of recombinant human growth hormone and its related impurities by capillary electrophoresis
Study of dimer and oligomers of human growth hormone

but I'm not 100% sure it was these and I don't have the time to go through them now

I might elaborate tomorrow or day after, but I'm in agony due to surgery and will be laying down now.

 

[TrySepts]

There were a huge step ups in quality of black tops between #26 to #29 and to #30.

(for earlier batches I'd have to check)

Jano, any intel on the quality of batch #21?

 

[trackstar19]

There were a huge step ups in quality of black tops between #26 to #29 and to #30.

(for earlier batches I'd have to check)

Have you by chance yet tested any of batch 31? I already know it's GTG as it's TP, I just enjoy looking at numbers

 

[janoshik]

Jano, any intel on the quality of batch #21?

those came back at 15.78IU and 98.9% purity

however, the dimer was quite high at over 3%


#29 had 0.698% dimer
#30 had 0.215% dimer to compare

I am of belief that the dimer content correlates with side effects.

Have you by chance yet tested any of batch 31? I already know it's GTG as it's TP, I just enjoy looking at numbers

Didn't have my hands on that one yet, but I think it might be coming my way right about now.

I'm really interested in it as well, just to see if the factory can keep up, or even further improve, the quality of #30. (and the improvements are huge)



To give an idea about quality levels #21 is average / better chinese generic grade.

#29 can compete with some older chinese pharma

and #30, although some might not believe this, had the tested parameters (purity and dimer) up on par with US pharma hgh

 

[trackstar19]

those came back at 15.78IU and 98.9% purity

however, the dimer was quite high at over 3%


#29 had 0.698% dimer
#30 had 0.215% dimer to compare

I am of belief that the dimer content correlates with side effects.



Didn't have my hands on that one yet, but I think it might be coming my way right about now.

I'm really interested in it as well, just to see if the factory can keep up, or even further improve, the quality of #30. (and the improvements are huge)



To give an idea about quality levels #21 is average / better chinese generic grade.

#29 can compete with some older chinese pharma

and #30, although some might not believe this, had the tested parameters (purity and dimer) up on par with US pharma hgh

Awesome, I very much appreciate your quick response. I love following your testing, as well as reading your posts.

 

[janoshik]

Awesome, I very much appreciate your quick response. I love following your testing, as well as reading your posts.

Thank you, I appreciate the kind words, it really means a lot to me!

 

[musclemoose]

those came back at 15.78IU and 98.9% purity

however, the dimer was quite high at over 3%


#29 had 0.698% dimer
#30 had 0.215% dimer to compare

I am of belief that the dimer content correlates with side effects.



Didn't have my hands on that one yet, but I think it might be coming my way right about now.

I'm really interested in it as well, just to see if the factory can keep up, or even further improve, the quality of #30. (and the improvements are huge)



To give an idea about quality levels #21 is average / better chinese generic grade.

#29 can compete with some older chinese pharma

and #30, although some might not believe this, had the tested parameters (purity and dimer) up on par with US pharma hgh

Any update on what the 31s are testing at (if been tested at all yet)?

 

[janoshik]

Any update on what the 31s are testing at (if been tested at all yet)?

Don't think I have tested those yet.

 

[mands]

Don't think I have tested those yet.

You haven't

mands

 

[Mbell4377]

How good does a guy feel right now that's sitting on about 700ius of batch 30?
Just ask, I'll tell ya, lol

I have about 500ius of 31 too, curious to see how those come out too