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combover said:
I read telmisartan takes 1-2 weeks to start working, is that your experience?

How about you @Bumpygooch ?
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I didn’t take a reading until about a month after starting. But, anecdotally, my father in law is hypertensive, when he gets a high reading, he takes a half an olmesartan(different ARB) and gets a pretty quick reaction. I hypothesize the same with telmisartan, I could absolutely be wrong, however.
 
Daily readings:

147/81, 136/72, 132/67, 127/70

It's not hard to see when I added the amlopidine.

I do not think I see any need to increase it from 5 to 10 mg unless something changes. Anybody disagree (and why)?

I am a little shocked at how well this appears to have worked in such a short period of time.
 
egonormical1010 said:
I did some reading after posting and learned that there’s actually a drug that already has the valsartan combined with the amlodipine (minus the hctz). The combo I’m on has me at 115/78 as of today which is a major improvement over where I was. Good luck and let us know
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Just wanted to say thanks to @egonormical1010 as I am not sure I would have figured this out without his suggestion.
 
Estrogen control is real, and important.

Last week, I had a massive headache 3 weeks into my cycle and had a gut feeling to check my BP - 150 over 92. Entirely my fault. My previous cycle I had no problems with aromatisation and figured it would be the same this time around. Clearly not. I began taking my AI immediately daily, 4 days later and I'm down to 120 over 78. Bloodwork will be done soon as well.
 
Skarpyona said:
Estrogen control is real, and important.

Last week, I had a massive headache 3 weeks into my cycle and had a gut feeling to check my BP - 150 over 92. Entirely my fault. My previous cycle I had no problems with aromatisation and figured it would be the same this time around. Clearly not. I began taking my AI immediately daily, 4 days later and I'm down to 120 over 78. Bloodwork will be done soon as well.
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Yeah, look, I get it. I actually run blood tests frequently and keep up with estrogen.

I also, however, have high blood pressure on TRT, and estrogen is low. I thought I posted that above.
 
I went up to 136, then 143 by the end of Friday.
It was a stressful day at work tho, I had a pregnant employee have a siezure and I couldn't get ahold of 911.

I left my bp monitor at work but I feel better today than I did end of yesterday.
 
Just had a nap and then made myself a coffee. My reading right now is 126/70 at 78bpm. At rest I'm usually around 120/70 and heart rate between 75-90 and as far as I know that's pretty good for a steroid user/ex smoker/ex drinker.
 
malfeasance said:
Yeah, look, I get it. I actually run blood tests frequently and keep up with estrogen.

I also, however, have high blood pressure on TRT, and estrogen is low. I thought I posted that above.
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Was just sharing my own
JetsFan said:
Just had a nap and then made myself a coffee. My reading right now is 126/70 at 78bpm. At rest I'm usually around 120/70 and heart rate between 75-90 and as far as I know that's pretty good for a steroid user/ex smoker/ex drinker.
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That's excellent! As an ex smoker as well, if I see anything under 130/80 I'm giddy. Been doing a lot of cardio to get my HR down because it sits at 80 and that's higher than I'd like.
 
Skarpyona said:
Was just sharing my own

That's excellent! As an ex smoker as well, if I see anything under 130/80 I'm giddy. Been doing a lot of cardio to get my HR down because it sits at 80 and that's higher than I'd like.
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I'm laying down watching tv and pulse is 78. Should it be lower?
 
JetsFan said:
I'm laying down watching tv and pulse is 78. Should it be lower?
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Full disclosure, I'm not a medical professional, just an anabolic monkey who is most likely retarded, but has family who are in the medical field who make it a bit easier to understand what's happening under the hood.

78 is within range for a healthy person, although it isn't ideal. A normal resting HR is between 60-100. A lower heart rate means a more efficient operation of your heart and cardiovascular system. If you follow the rhetoric that a heart is only good for 2-4 billion pumps, you're theoretically getting more mileage out of your pump, which is gooder.

A lot of factors play into it, such as age, diet, lifestyle, and training. Being ex smokers, it's "normal" we have higher heart rates. Our lungs suck and it takes time and work to get them working well again.
-Stimulant use also spikes HR. I was a regular energy drink consumer, and had a high caffeine intake for a long time, which lead me to have a resting hr of 110 a few years back. I made significant lifestyle changes since and try not to indulge in more than 2 cups a day.
- Being overweight plays a factor in it too. As Rich Piana once said, and I'm paraphrasing, "it doesn't matter if you're 300lbs of muscle or fat, it's additional strain on the heart regardless". You can either drop the weight, which is unlikely, since I think we're all aiming to rival Silverback gorillas here, or train up your cardio to handle your newly minted mass. A buddy of mine recently started dbol, and in week 4 of his cycle, was complaining he's going limp mid hump session. He was worried about estrogen sides, but when I asked him of his cardio work, he looked at me like a deer in headlights. His cardio system couldn't keep up pumping the 25lbs he put on, and when he started taking that seriously under my recommendation, isn't having that issue anymore.

To lower your HR, you don't have to do anything crazy, just regular LISS, and you'd be surprised how quickly it can make a big impact. I started power walking 3 weeks ago everyday for 45 minutes after seeing my HR at 95, and it clocked at 80 yesterday. I'm looking to see when I'll stall, then regularly incorporate HITT, as I'm hoping to maintain a resting HR in the 60s range.

I know this is getting long winded, so I'll just end with this. We're playing a very delicate balancing act and you have to determine what you're willing to sacrifice to achieve our goals. I know my blood pressure will never be incredible due to being tall, and 240lbs, so the least I can do is keep a healthy heart to make sure I keel over later rather than sooner.

If anything I posted is wrong, I welcome anyone to correct me, as I clearly mentioned I am retarded.
 
Skarpyona said:
Full disclosure, I'm not a medical professional, just an anabolic monkey who is most likely retarded, but has family who are in the medical field who make it a bit easier to understand what's happening under the hood.

78 is within range for a healthy person, although it isn't ideal. A normal resting HR is between 60-100. A lower heart rate means a more efficient operation of your heart and cardiovascular system. If you follow the rhetoric that a heart is only good for 2-4 billion pumps, you're theoretically getting more mileage out of your pump, which is gooder.

A lot of factors play into it, such as age, diet, lifestyle, and training. Being ex smokers, it's "normal" we have higher heart rates. Our lungs suck and it takes time and work to get them working well again.
-Stimulant use also spikes HR. I was a regular energy drink consumer, and had a high caffeine intake for a long time, which lead me to have a resting hr of 110 a few years back. I made significant lifestyle changes since and try not to indulge in more than 2 cups a day.
- Being overweight plays a factor in it too. As Rich Piana once said, and I'm paraphrasing, "it doesn't matter if you're 300lbs of muscle or fat, it's additional strain on the heart regardless". You can either drop the weight, which is unlikely, since I think we're all aiming to rival Silverback gorillas here, or train up your cardio to handle your newly minted mass. A buddy of mine recently started dbol, and in week 4 of his cycle, was complaining he's going limp mid hump session. He was worried about estrogen sides, but when I asked him of his cardio work, he looked at me like a deer in headlights. His cardio system couldn't keep up pumping the 25lbs he put on, and when he started taking that seriously under my recommendation, isn't having that issue anymore.

To lower your HR, you don't have to do anything crazy, just regular LISS, and you'd be surprised how quickly it can make a big impact. I started power walking 3 weeks ago everyday for 45 minutes after seeing my HR at 95, and it clocked at 80 yesterday. I'm looking to see when I'll stall, then regularly incorporate HITT, as I'm hoping to maintain a resting HR in the 60s range.

I know this is getting long winded, so I'll just end with this. We're playing a very delicate balancing act and you have to determine what you're willing to sacrifice to achieve our goals. I know my blood pressure will never be incredible due to being tall, and 240lbs, so the least I can do is keep a healthy heart to make sure I keel over later rather than sooner.

If anything I posted is wrong, I welcome anyone to correct me, as I clearly mentioned I am retarded.
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Ape no hurt ape ;)
 
@malfeasance - great post bro. I'm on Olmesartan HCTZ for HBP. I read that Telmisartan is the same class, but also helps burn a bit of fat and also prevents Left Ventricular Hypertrophy. If true, this would be of great benefit since some PEDs cause LVH. My cardiologist doesn't see the need to switch me to Telmisartan and I don't exactly want to say "for the gains bro!"
Did you notice any effect on body comp? Trying to figure out a scientific sounding angle to get switched over. Preventing LVH would be the main reason though.
 
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