No, I meant I was on tren a few months ago and didn't feel like I do now.
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No, I meant I was on tren a few months ago and didn't feel like I do now.
Really??? I was pinning 600mg sus per week and my levels were 4024 ng/dl pinning only glutes so i find these numbers very low.
Masterchief07
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I think we've already established in this thread that TUD's number were well within the acceptable range with respect to the time he pinned and the time of blood being drawn.
If you say so!!
I had my bloods drawn at the same time interval, 36 hrs after last pin.
I guess maybe im just special.
Masterchief07
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@Mr.B66 Did you by chance pin the 600 all at once? Or multiple shots? I was taking into account the below, which seems to support TUD's reported blood levels.
Yet another thread where this is relevant. This information definitely needs to be spread throughout the AAS world imo.
I actually was reading through studies on ncbi pub med on testosterone enanthate the other day and came across a study that showed that genetic variation in the PDE7B gene was associated with varying serum levels of testosterone. The study gave a 500 mg test-e injection and then sampled 2 days later. Individuals homozygous for PDE7B rs7774640 G allele had a smaller increase (2.5-fold) in the serum testosterone levels compared with carriers of the A allele (3.9-fold, P=0.0006).
Here is the conclusion of the article (copy & pasted) :
We have shown that PDE7B is involved in the hydrolysis of testosterone enanthate and that genetic variation in the PDE7B gene is a determinant of the systemic levels of testosterone after administration of testosterone enanthate. It is reasonable to believe that the genetic variation in testosterone bioavailability may be correlated to varying effects of this androgen, whether it is used for replacement therapy or abused in doping. Thus our results may be important to consider in doping test programmes and in therapeutics with androgens and other esterified drugs.
So it looks like there is quite a large variation just based off this one gene variation that can account for a massive difference in blood testosterone levels, from the exact same dosage. 2.5 FOLD increase VS 3.9 FOLD increase -- Quite significant.
So obviously there is no hard & fast "rule" for this much injected = this much blood level. And this was just ONE genetic factor that caused such a big difference. Extrapolating on that, imagine if there are many OTHER factors that lead to significant differences. Based on that, showing ONE blood test, taken at ONE single time, that does indeed show levels BEYOND the normal maximum, doesn't really prove a whole lot.
Here's the address to read the study yourself.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21383644
I actually was reading through studies on ncbi pub med on testosterone enanthate the other day and came across a study that showed that genetic variation in the PDE7B gene was associated with varying serum levels of testosterone. The study gave a 500 mg test-e injection and then sampled 2 days later. Individuals homozygous for PDE7B rs7774640 G allele had a smaller increase (2.5-fold) in the serum testosterone levels compared with carriers of the A allele (3.9-fold, P=0.0006).
Here is the conclusion of the article (copy & pasted) :
We have shown that PDE7B is involved in the hydrolysis of testosterone enanthate and that genetic variation in the PDE7B gene is a determinant of the systemic levels of testosterone after administration of testosterone enanthate. It is reasonable to believe that the genetic variation in testosterone bioavailability may be correlated to varying effects of this androgen, whether it is used for replacement therapy or abused in doping. Thus our results may be important to consider in doping test programmes and in therapeutics with androgens and other esterified drugs.
So it looks like there is quite a large variation just based off this one gene variation that can account for a massive difference in blood testosterone levels, from the exact same dosage. 2.5 FOLD increase VS 3.9 FOLD increase -- Quite significant.
So obviously there is no hard & fast "rule" for this much injected = this much blood level. And this was just ONE genetic factor that caused such a big difference. Extrapolating on that, imagine if there are many OTHER factors that lead to significant differences. Based on that, showing ONE blood test, taken at ONE single time, that does indeed show levels BEYOND the normal maximum, doesn't really prove a whole lot.
Here's the address to read the study yourself.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21383644
Yea, i don't think you can explain away those craptastic results by genetic variation, but good try. You might look through some other older posts. That shit doesn't fly and has been tried many, many times before. People are getting tired of the sub-par gear results, especially from amps that are supposed to be "pharma" grade.
double-leg
New Member
Fakes are everywhere bro. Not saying you didn't go in a pharmacy to get it. Just saying to test a different pharmacy. Also many I know like Pfizer over all others. Not sure why they do but that is there consensus. I will tell you that I've tried the pfizer the buy. Its much better than any ugl I've ever tried. Just on the general wellness feeling and pumps alone. Or maybe the test was skewed by some other factor.
Fake from pharmacy? Maybe in third world country or some East Europe country. Not where I live.
Pfizer is same as Bayer as any other PHARMA grade test. They are gmp certificated bla bla bla. No difference between potency etc.
Don't spread bro science.
double-leg
New Member
Ok. I will say this keep on praising these low bloods and we will not only have shit ugls but high metals and bacteria in our oils.
If you think its hard to get good ugl shit now just wait.
Which country do you live in that you gor a script for bayer test?
