Bloodwork: NAPS Geneza Test Cyp + Pharmacom Tren A/Anavar

[Colt44]

Just go ahead and pin 500mg in one pin and test 49 hours later. Test that theory.

 

[Haunch]

Can you explain why you think it's low?

I suppose it's all on how YOU expect it to work and how your feeling with the juice.
I'm just baseing it off numbers I've gotten some years back before UGL's became available.
It's not impossible to get 7,8 and 9 times your weekly dose. I myself found that give true on a few occasions. Your levels suggest a little over 4x. If it were me I wouldn't be satisfied

 

[Whoremoans]

I like the idea @Colt44 has. This could show us whether or not a lot of this bad bloodwork is really from underdosed gear or a misconception of how the testing should be interpreted. If bloods should truly be based off of your previous injection your levels are around 10x and that's phenomenal.

 

[Haunch]

To further what Rob said, every person really needs to run some REAL pharma test and then get bloods done. That's the only way you will know how your body reacts. Then and only then can you make an accurate assessment of how UG test is.
Note: as Rob also said it doesn't apply if running multiple compounds

This really is a great idea. Would let each individual know where they stand compared to PG juice

 

[ROB581211]

I just want to say I'm not questioning anyone. I just want to hear all the different experiences people have had so I can make a better informed evaluation. So far Dr Jims explanation makes the most sense to me. Obviously if you take 500mg in one pin and get tested your peak levels are going to be higher than a peak level at 250mg. Peak levels can not be stabilized by splitting into multiple injections because they are PEAK levels. As far as the 10x goes it was based on 1 injection per week. There have been no test done with the split method. Also there was only 1 compound involved which was test e or test c. Sorry I couldn't write this all out in my first post I was at work and was in hurry to get my thought out and butchered the post. I'm still a believer that everyone's receptors are different which will also result in higher or lower numbers. The way I read those numbers I can't say I would 100% disappointed. Now if you want your levels a bit higher then dose accordingly. Like furious said unless you have been tested on pharm grade to know how your reacts then it's all a guess.

 

[FuriousWO]

I just want to say I'm not questioning anyone. I just want to hear all the different experiences people have had so I can make a better informed evaluation. So far Dr Jims explanation makes the most sense to me. Obviously if you take 500mg in one pin and get tested your peak levels are going to be higher than a peak level at 250mg. Peak levels can not be stabilized by splitting into multiple injections because they are PEAK levels. As far as the 10x goes it was based on 1 injection per week. There have been no test done with the split method. Also there was only 1 compound involved which was test e or test c. Sorry I couldn't write this all out in my first post I was at work and was in hurry to get my thought out and butchered the post. I'm still a believer that everyone's receptors are different which will also result in higher or lower numbers. The way I read those numbers I can't say I would 100% disappointed. Now if you want your levels a bit higher then dose accordingly. Like furious said unless you have been tested on pharm grade to know how your reacts then it's all a guess.

I don't remember is the 10x based on one single weekly pin, are you sure?

I'm not doubting you btw I can never remember

 

[bickel29]

His E2 may not accurate because of the tren. Tren can cause false E2 readings from what I've read here

I was curious about that too.

Taking .125 mg of adex every day. If I bump it up higher no morning wood.

Read and was told here that the LC/MS female hormone panel from labsmd would show true E2 regardless of tren.

You may be right. I thought I read on here that tren can skew the results

Yes, tren can definitely skew your e2 readings UNLESS you get the estradiol test that is calculated using the LC/MS method.

IME, the number, if skewed, is usually skewed quite a bit higher than just double digits (although it's certainly possible). I have personally had e2 readings over 500, I know Johnny has had some way up in the triple digits, and I saw a trusted member with a reading over 1k.

I saw Dr Jims name mentioned earlier. FWIW, he has suggested not worrying about your estro reading in the past unless/until you start to experience side effects from the high e2. That was probably about a year ago that I last saw him state that.

 

[ROB581211]

I don't remember is the 10x based on one single weekly pin, are you sure?

I'm not doubting you btw I can never remember

I just read a thread in the past few days where it was brought up. That's what Dr Jim said. 1 pin a week. Let me go searching and see if I can't find it

 

[FuriousWO]

I just read a thread in the past few days where it was brought up. That's what Dr Jim said. 1 pin a week. Let me go searching and see if I can't find it

I trust you bud

 

[ROB581211]

https://thinksteroids.com/community...nderdosed-a-bit.134366527/page-5#post-1335416

This thread is only 4-5 pages but I felt it explained it pretty good towards the end

 

[mercury]

I do not know who came with the 10x rule it is very inaccurate.

just your weight is one factor

if one guy is 150 lbs and another 250 lbs and they both pin 500 mg/week, the 250 lbs guy will have lower blood levels.

if you are bigger you need to pin more to have the same levels.

 

[Colt44]

Doc Scally has explained the 10x rule and how it applies on several occasions. Here's a couple posts.

A good estimate I have found to work very well clinically is to multiply the dose (TC/TE) by 10. Of course there will be some variation around the level, but this has worked out very well for PCT. For example, TC/TE 600 mg per week provides a serum testosterone of ~6,000 ng/dL. In the real world, the levels might be a a high as 8,000 ng/dL!!!

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The longer you wait after the pin, the lower the value. If you are dividing up the dose to twice per week, the likelihood is about 1,000 ng/dL might be the low point. Again, if you are trying to see the UG dosing accuracy, IMO the peak is the best, albeit indirect, gauge. Use the entire dose and do not split. [A common problem is many labs will only provide a report >1,500 ng/dL.]

On another point, who/why would anyone cycle at 200-250! Unless, this is combined with another AAS.

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At 3 days post pin, the level will be close to peak. At 500 mg per week, this will place the serum testosterone over 4,000 ng/dL easily and in many at 5,000 ng/dL. That the level is half this at peak speaks directly that the AAS is not what it is advertised. One can expect a level of 2,000-2,500 ng/dL just prior to the pin.

What does the time of day have anything to do with the test?

Bring It On!!!

 

[kaizoku]

I do know the last time I had blood work done 6 weeks ago I'd been pinning ~28mg test p ED (not from Naps) and my levels came back at >1500 TT and 62 E2

 

[Wunderpus]

side note-

How's the tren a treating you? Seems like most if not all of members here are unhappy with the Pharmacom tren A

 

[kaizoku]

side note-

How's the tren a treating you? Seems like most if not all of members here are unhappy with the Pharmacom tren A

Sides are there but are pretty mild at 50mg ED.
Bumping it up to 100mg ED

 

[Wunderpus]

Sides are there but are pretty mild at 50mg ED.
Bumping it up to 100mg ED

Hoping for the best for you! Bummer to see so much dissatisfaction with their tren.

 

[Boilermech]

Doc Scally has explained the 10x rule and how it applies on several occasions. Here's a couple posts.

https://thinksteroids.com/community...nderdosed-a-bit.134366527/page-5#post-1335416

This thread is only 4-5 pages but I felt it explained it pretty good towards the end

I don't remember is the 10x based on one single weekly pin, are you sure?

I'm not doubting you btw I can never remember

Ok this theory was tested by myself and @MGhoward (can't remember his exact handle but it's close to that).
I pinned 600mg of Strong gear test E once a week and Howard pinned the same amount but twice a week. Our labs both came back almost identical. This was all documented here on my log and Howard's log. I'm heading into the movies to see Terminator or I would look the threads up. Maybe I'll find them tomorrow. Just thought I would bring this up. This was our experience.
BM

 

[Colt44]

Ok this theory was tested by myself and @MGhoward (can't remember his exact handle but it's close to that).
I pinned 600mg of Strong gear test E once a week and Howard pinned the same amount but twice a week. Our labs both came back almost identical. This was all documented here on my log and Howard's log. I'm heading into the movies to see Terminator or I would look the threads up. Maybe I'll find them tomorrow. Just thought I would bring this up. This was our experience.
BM

Thanks BM. I do recall the thread and the numbers. If I recall you had a higher number closer to 72 hours, correct? It's been a while.

 

[Boilermech]

Thanks BM. I do recall the thread and the numbers. If I recall you had a higher number closer to 72 hours, correct? It's been a while.

That's correct buddy. Here are the links to my tests. I'll have to see if I can find Howard's tomorrow.
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/boilermech-cycle-stronggear-test-e.134360079/page-9
https://thinksteroids.com/community...dwork-timing-protocol.134361122/#post-1175213

 

[Boilermech]

Here is the log of @mghoward74 showing close to the same numbers pinning twice a week.
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/the-journey-with-my-brothers.134360170/page-10
This is straight from his log.