Boilermech Cycle [StrongGear Test E]

[Big Mike]

Just keep in mind I took those bloods at the very beginning of my 4th week and only at 24hrs after pinning. My next set of bloods will be at 6 weeks and at 24, 48, and 72hrs after last pin.
I'm hoping for some better numbers then but nevertheless your right about making the best of it. I'm kind of worried about the Tren Ace since I've never ran it before but we will just have to see how it goes. I'm just going to run a small amount to test the waters if you know what I mean. Do you have to run Caber with Tren to counter prolactin?

No, but it doesn't hurt to have it on hand. I ran Tren 2-3 times and never had to use it but I would have it at the ready. Best of gains brother!


Big Mike

 

[HuckingFuge]

200mg Test for TRT, will only get you 1200 on the Test scale. how is 8x to 10x the rule?

 

[Boilermech]

200mg at most will only get you 1200 on the Test scale. how is 8 to 10x the rule?

Just going off of Dr. Scally's article. Do you know something we don't??????
Why will 200mg only get you 1200ng? Is this how your test results have shown on TRT? If you know something about this please let us know brother. We're trying to learn about what our numbers should be. I believe his article says 7x to 10x or something like that. Don't quote me. But very interested in hearing your thoughts.

 

[Moose]

Here a recent study there's a lot of information but table 4 in conclusion seems to suggest the number is much lower than 10x. http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2004-1184

 

[Boilermech]

Here a recent study there's a lot of information but table 4 in conclusion seems to suggest the number is much lower than 10x. http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2004-1184

Looks like I'm going to have to do some more research brother. This is showing just over 5x being the norm for this study. That is if I'm looking at it correctly.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Here a recent study there's a lot of information but table 4 in conclusion seems to suggest the number is much lower than 10x. http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2004-1184

Looks like I'm going to have to do some more research brother. This is showing just over 5x being the norm for this study. That is if I'm looking at it correctly.

My phone isn't opening it, is this the study where they do the blood draw at the 7 day mark?

 

[Boilermech]

My phone isn't opening it, is this the study where they do the blood draw at the 7 day mark?

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2004-1184

I'm not sure what day they drew on I'm going to have to do some reading.

 

[Boilermech]

My phone isn't opening it, is this the study where they do the blood draw at the 7 day mark?

Yep you nailed it brother.

Fig. 2. Changes from baseline in serum total and free testosterone and LH levels in young ([emoji830]) and older () men in response to graded doses of testosterone enanthate. Healthy, young and older men were randomized to receive a long-acting GnRH agonist plus one of five different doses of testosterone enanthate (25, 50, 125, 300, and 600 mg weekly, im) for 20 wk. Serum testosterone levels were measured 7 d after the previous testosterone injection and represent nadir levels during wk 16.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Yep you nailed it brother.

Fig. 2. Changes from baseline in serum total and free testosterone and LH levels in young ([emoji830]) and older () men in response to graded doses of testosterone enanthate. Healthy, young and older men were randomized to receive a long-acting GnRH agonist plus one of five different doses of testosterone enanthate (25, 50, 125, 300, and 600 mg weekly, im) for 20 wk. Serum testosterone levels were measured 7 d after the previous testosterone injection and represent nadir levels during wk 16.

Ughh.. Everyone posts that study.. Scally actually has a write up on it showing how it proves the 10x rule.. I'll try to find the thread tomorrow.

 

[weighted chinup]

Nadir.

The study supports dr scally's estimate.

 

[Kinikuman]

Yep you nailed it brother.

Fig. 2. Changes from baseline in serum total and free testosterone and LH levels in young ([emoji830]) and older () men in response to graded doses of testosterone enanthate. Healthy, young and older men were randomized to receive a long-acting GnRH agonist plus one of five different doses of testosterone enanthate (25, 50, 125, 300, and 600 mg weekly, im) for 20 wk. Serum testosterone levels were measured 7 d after the previous testosterone injection and represent nadir levels during wk 16.

Pinning weekly with Test E should produce a peak and valley pattern for TT levels. Drawing 7 days after injection would put you at or near the valley floor as the first half-life of the last injection would be almost if not completely used.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Here you go:

https://thinksteroids.com/community...test-and-blood-levels.134356260/#post-1046825

 

[Boilermech]

Here you go:

https://thinksteroids.com/community...test-and-blood-levels.134356260/#post-1046825

Thanks for posting it I'll have to read it tomorrow. 11pm here. Getting to bed now.

 

[Moose]

Here you go:

https://thinksteroids.com/community...test-and-blood-levels.134356260/#post-1046825

Thanks for posting JB. Appreciate it. That study confused the heck out of me given Scally's previous statements.

 

[HuckingFuge]

out of all the people I know on TRT and got blood work done. none have been higher than 1200, with a 200mg a week Test shot.

 

[Marcus]

out of all the people I know on TRT and got blood work done. none have been higher than 1200, with a 200mg a week Test shot.

When did they get bloods drawn? Most on TRT get bloods drawn between 5th and 7th day which makes perfect sense for TRT. Scally was referring to peak timing in test values

 

[HuckingFuge]

probably.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Thanks for posting JB. Appreciate it. That study confused the heck out of me given Scally's previous statements.

I didn't mean to sound like a dick last night, you were just trying to help.. I'm just sick of this debate! Everyone needs to figure it out for themselves I guess though..

 

[Moose]

I didn't mean to sound like a dick last night, you were just trying to help.. I'm just sick of this debate! Everyone needs to figure it out for themselves I guess though..

You didn't sound like a dick brother. I didn't take it that way at all. I thank you for posting Scally's post.

 

[OdieM]

Well it seems neither one of us will be able to hit the tren before we see each other again.lol. Looks like yAll tore up another one. I sure am starting to hate that 9 hr drive there. See you Thursday bud.