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[Slammich]

Brewing is like making sugar water. It will go into solution without heat most times, for most compounds...until you start with high concentrations. Heat isn't necessary, but does make it solute faster.

I haven't brewed anything with heat that i didn't try without yet. Normal compounds at normal concentrations. No issues thus far.

 

[Grandpa Gainz]

So I've been reading a great deal about brewing Tren and there is a lot of conflicting info about whether or not to use heat.
Soo...
Do I need to use heat?
How much heat?

My last time. Very little heat and a lot of stirring! Came out very nice! Nothing fancy just 100mg ace!

 

[TideGear]

My last time. Very little heat and a lot of stirring! Came out very nice! Nothing fancy just 100mg ace!

Maybe I'm being OCD but when you say very little heat, could you give a number, preferably in Fahrenheit. I'm just new and very little could meant 50 degrees or 150 to me, I just don't know.

 

[Thegreek]

@TideGear
Everything you’ve read about heat or no heat isn’t conflicting it’s a matter of preference. You don’t need heat with your basic compounds and dosing but I like to equate it to cleaning greasy dishes. Can you do it with room temp water and soap. Sure can. Does it get easier the hotter the water becomes. Sure does. Mix your compound slowly with room temp BA/BB and keep stirring while you heat your oil. I would say no more than 180F. If it spikes past that just take it off the heat before you begin to add to the compound solution. 180 is def the high end before adding. It will still rise a little if you pull it off at 180 so wait till it begins to drop and slowly add to the mix and keep stirring. After it’s all mixed let it come back down to room temp occasionally stirring. Once at room temp let it sit for a day or so and if it doesn’t crash which it shouldn’t warm it back up. The filter should have a high temp limit so don’t filter it hotter then that. About a 100 or so maybe a little less. Pin and grow.

 

[Iron Vett]

Maybe I'm being OCD but when you say very little heat, could you give a number, preferably in Fahrenheit. I'm just new and very little could meant 50 degrees or 150 to me, I just don't know.

As a rule of thumb, I can always hold the bottom of the beaker in my hand for tren

Edit: And this is with only powder and BB in beaker. I add oil and BA after it has gone into solution. Everyone has a favorite way to brew and none of them are really wrong

 

[TideGear]

So do y'all add the BB and BA to the powder and heat the oil separately or add it all together then heat and stir at the same time?

 

[Iron Vett]

So do y'all add the BB and BA to the powder and heat the oil separately or add it all together then heat and stir at the same time?

I add just bb and compound and then heat. @Thegreek adds ba and bb to powder and heats oil. It all works. You just need to decide what you like to do.

I do let it sit for a day or so to see if it's going to try to crash and then reheat slightly and filter.

 

[TideGear]

So you add BB and powder and heat that. Do you add the oil while it's at room temp? And do you let the heated solution cool before you add the oil?

 

[Iron Vett]

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So you add BB and powder and heat that. Do you add the oil while it's at room temp? And do you let the heated solution cool before you add the oil?

After dissolving I add BA and then add room temp oil and then stir. Usually I add a little more heat after adding oil just for good measures.

Edit: I don't allow solution to cool

 

[TideGear]

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After dissolving I add BA and then add room temp oil and then stir. Usually I add a little more heat after adding oil just for good measures.

Edit: I don't allow solution to cool

Excellent thanks. I guess the rest is just gonna come with experience but this gives me a lot to work with. I appreciate your time

 

[Grandpa Gainz]

Maybe I'm being OCD but when you say very little heat, could you give a number, preferably in Fahrenheit. I'm just new and very little could meant 50 degrees or 150 to me, I just don't know.

For tren I just went to about 110*. Approximately half the melting point and stirred for about 15-20min. Came out perfect. It was a small batch. 100ml. In MCT. And I always go 2% 18%. Very little pip. Even with test prop that I brewed! So easy I would never go back to buying gear again unless I was in a pinch!! Good luck.

 

[TideGear]

For tren I just went to about 110*. Approximately half the melting point and stirred for about 15-20min. Came out perfect. It was a small batch. 100ml. In MCT. And I always go 2% 18%. Very little pip. Even with test prop that I brewed! So easy I would never go back to buying gear again unless I was in a pinch!! Good luck.

Ahh finally a number for my ocd ass lol thanks

 

[XmadXscientist]

Old post I know...

But what was your recipe for the 50/50 tne/dht please @XmadXscientist

Could it be done w/o Guac?

Mig840?

DHT is a challenge and I don’t know if it really holds without guaiacol. I probably went with 2%BA, 20%BB, 5% guaiacol and EO carrier.

Maybe I'm being OCD but when you say very little heat, could you give a number, preferably in Fahrenheit. I'm just new and very little could meant 50 degrees or 150 to me, I just don't know.

150 is where I stop with tren, might go into solution before you hit that temp. Heat can speed things but isn’t always necessary.

So do y'all add the BB and BA to the powder and heat the oil separately or add it all together then heat and stir at the same time?

I add BB and oil to one beaker and preheat, then add powder to another one. I add the oil/solvent mix in portions. All this is made easier with a magnetic hot plate.

 

[Samael]

Hey fellas, does anyone from you fellow homebrewers got experience with this kind of filtration setup?
If yes how do you properly sterilize bottom unit with funnel, etc, are you satisfied with this kind of setup, any leaking, loosing vacuum,etc... what about filter papers?

Many thanks

 

[Slammich]

Hey fellas, does anyone from you fellow homebrewers got experience with this kind of filtration setup?
If yes how do you properly sterilize bottom unit with funnel, etc, are you satisfied with this kind of setup, any leaking, loosing vacuum,etc... what about filter papers?

Many thanks

This is exactly what we use at work. But we use a water suction line to filter. It works great to filter melted waxes and solvents.

I never saw a place sell sterile filter membranes for it though. And cleaning the bottom flask to standard would seem like a chore. Filter membranes also habe a small surface area and would be slow and degrade rapidly for that reason i would assume. My opinions/experience.

 

[daylight driller]

Hey fellas, does anyone from you fellow homebrewers got experience with this kind of filtration setup?
If yes how do you properly sterilize bottom unit with funnel, etc, are you satisfied with this kind of setup, any leaking, loosing vacuum,etc... what about filter papers?

Many thanks

Yes its a buchner filter setup. They work great in my opinon as long as you are able to properly sterilize your glassware. I would rinse in 70% alcohol then distilled water, then I put it in my autoclave. Millapore makes (or at least use to) 47mm sterile .22 filter membranes.

 

[Samael]

Yes its a buchner filter setup. They work great in my opinon as long as you are able to properly sterilize your glassware. I would rinse in 70% alcohol then distilled water, then I put it in my autoclave. Millapore makes (or at least use to) 47mm sterile .22 filter membranes.

So I would see the problem in getting sterile membrane filters, as I was trying to find them at .22 size and without luck so far.
Don't have autoclave yet, but I'm thinking about those small ovens that can go around 230C and have bottom, upper heating element with air circulation.
This would be better then just stand alone big oven which is used to cook food as well.
Something like this, anyone tried that as a dry heat sterilizing method?

I can get my hands on this kind of bottle top filters they are with PES And SFCA membrane.
Any experienced brewers familiar with them?
It's a Nalgene 75 brand

Many thanks for tips and insights!

 

[Slammich]

So I would see the problem in getting sterile membrane filters, as I was trying to find them at .22 size and without luck so far.
Don't have autoclave yet, but I'm thinking about those small ovens that can go around 230C and have bottom, upper heating element with air circulation.
This would be better then just stand alone big oven which is used to cook food as well.
Something like this, anyone tried that as a dry heat sterilizing method?

I can get my hands on this kind of bottle top filters they are with PES And SFCA membrane.
Any experienced brewers familiar with them?
It's a Nalgene 75 brand

Many thanks for tips and insights!

So I would see the problem in getting sterile membrane filters, as I was trying to find them at .22 size and without luck so far.
Don't have autoclave yet, but I'm thinking about those small ovens that can go around 230C and have bottom, upper heating element with air circulation.
This would be better then just stand alone big oven which is used to cook food as well.
Something like this, anyone tried that as a dry heat sterilizing method?

I can get my hands on this kind of bottle top filters they are with PES And SFCA membrane.
Any experienced brewers familiar with them?
It's a Nalgene 75 brand

Many thanks for tips and insights!

That's a toaster oven! Ha....just use zapcaps and your kitchen oven. High temps for 2 or 3 hours. Unless you get a lab oven...now those are awesome for what we do. Nitrogen purge and then pull a vacuum and hold at 500 degrees. That's the golden ticket.

 

[Samael]

That's a toaster oven! Ha....just use zapcaps and your kitchen oven. High temps for 2 or 3 hours. Unless you get a lab oven...now those are awesome for what we do. Nitrogen purge and then pull a vacuum and hold at 500 degrees. That's the golden ticket.

Its a small portable oven, difference is just size, plus i see plus in fact that you can easily clean and sanitize interior and it can be used purely for vial sterilizing.
I think that this would be better then full size oven - more space to heat evenly.

I dont have access to zapcaps unfortunately

 

[Slammich]

Its a small portable oven, difference is just size, plus i see plus in fact that you can easily clean and sanitize interior and it can be used purely for vial sterilizing.
I think that this would be better then full size oven - more space to heat evenly.

I dont have access to zapcaps unfortunately

Is 230* the top end for heat output? Seems lacking to me. I usually go 500* for quite some time.