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I know for a fact that he has not had enough time to go through the training necessary to comment on scientific legitimacy.

but do you beleive he could obtain the level of knowledge you have? I'm not asking you to expect somone this young to go off and get their doctorette, just to be able to do the same thing most of the members do. Comment and give input, not medical advice.
 
Pete you have have the audacity to go online and say this
Common Pete how many hours I spend on the phone with you FREE on my own time trying to help you to best of my knowledge and in the end I WAS RIGHT !! IT WAS YOUR GUT. That fact you can not DENY
Want me to pull up my cell phone bill to show you ? I know of about 6 callls that lasted over an hour at a time.
Pete didn't I say heal the gut will take stress off your adrenals?
..DO NOT BELEIVE ME GO BACK AND READ THE POSTS. Did not I identify it in the office right through muscle testin? DIDN"T I are you going to lie deny that. You can not go back and change your post so the truth lies in there.

We can not do a damn thing till we have correspondence from your other Dr's which we never recieved.
You have 5 different types of dr's going at one time and we need to know what end is up. you are a complex case which have multiple layers to content with, but still you want further testing that I sent out over a month ago and never recieved. I can not help that..Pete we are just one dr in among of seas of dr working on your case. Tell you the truth spending all that time on heavy metal detox will not do crap because the problem is in your gut as I told you over a year ago. but you still are chasing shadows
Yes pete we did go deeper we were the only ones to truly reveal what the was going on inside you, but then bash us for helping.


MOB after spending 3 fucken hours on the phone with you of MY OWN TIME BECAUSE I FELT COMPELLED where i spefically told you months ago what the hell was going on. your going to stand here and fucking back stabbed me too.

YOU KNOW WHAT FOR EVERY NEGATIVE THING THERE ARE 1,000 Positive....

BTW GUYS I NEVER TREAT DR DOES THAT I SUGGEST SO GET YOUR STORIES STRAIGHT !!


I have to speak up about this situation Shawn. You and Dr. Overbeck could have almost killed me with the disregard for my health and treatment. Thank god I have a family that is will willing to support me through this crisis or I would have been dead months ago. The truth of the matter is when shit hit the fan and I got worse, you bailed on me. No other way to slice it. If you were in my position, what you would expect me to say. That I am happy and grateful. I can't do it. I already said a few good things about you and I honestly I do think you really care about people and want them to get better. You are learning about things just like everyone else is. The thing is that you tell people this is right or wrong with them every day, and alot of times it is wrong and they don't know any better. Then people start doing things like taking medications or supplements that they think might get them healthier and could end up getting very sick in the process or wasting an enormous amount of money.

The problem is that you were wrong with alot of thing in regards to my health and it should have recognized by you or Dr. O when I was getting much worse on 10mg of cortef that we should have scaled back the medication instead of pushing forward. Maybe I would have never developed the CNS symptoms I have now and numbness in my arms. Do you know what it has been like for me these past few months. Vistings hospitals almost every week thinking that I am going to die. I am very strong person, but I have to tell you it has not been easy. And guess what, I still have alot of pain in my cns and numb arms that is not going way.

Where were you in the past few months when I was at my worst. I haven't received a phone call or email in a very long time. So what am I to assume is going on.

In regards to the gut, it may very well be serious problem that I have going on. But what did you do about it. Nothing. No tests, no trial and error with medications, notta. I even had test come back saying a possible candida infection in my stools and you didn't even think to try and treat it. I requested multiple stool tests and other tests to check for things and got no response. It is very easy to tell someone, yeah the problem is in your gut. Anyone can do it. But treating the matter and doing testing is the only way to get healthier and that never happened.

And looking back at it now. If you even did think I had problem in my gut like you say did. Why the hell would I be put on cortef to begin with. Many problems in the gut are often the result of some kind of infection or inflammation going on, and the cortef would have only added gasoline to the fire. Once I got worse on the cortef at 10 mg, we should have stopped and then addressed the gut so to speak. But this did not happen. And it was not until I got much worse on 20 mg of cortef, that you realized, Holy shit, this isn't working and he might have something going in the gut. And by then it was too late.

Overall, as crazy as it sounds, I still wouldn't mind if you responded to a thread I had asking for help or pointed me in the direction of an article/study that might help. I need all the help I can get and you cannot really screw my life up more than you already have. I am just wiser now to what is going on. If you mention something, I will be sure as hell to research it very thoroughly to see if it makes any sense and probably just look at the bigger picture and see if applies to me. Such as gastrointestinal and detoxification issues. I will be posting a very long thread tommorrow asking for help.
 
Because you are immature and have not yet learned the value of civility.

Excuse me if I prefer to determine legitimacy for myself. It would be like asking my youngest 15 yo son whether or not he thought this particular scientific study was legitimate or not. I house beagles older than you. Not being a trained scientist, your opinion of legitimacy is greatly diminished, to the point of being irrelevant.

I'll say it again, you could do yourself a favor by learning some manners.

actually m_ob has been a fairly coherent, intelligent and intelligible poster...which is more than can be said for u, at least here. u made some retort about Godel's theorem as if it negated multiple points at hand, all in an attempt to limit the influence of scientific method in discussions here.

in that light, ur retort to m_ob is not credible. as a bystander to this discussion, i remain open-minded to HAN's perspective and methods, but u r clearly just a reflexive defender from another site he mods at.

i remain interested in explication of HAN's theories and practices, particularly if such theory n practice might be beneficial to my health.

if ur defense of him makes HAN feel more inclined to provide such explication, THAT would be cool...until then, u r more heat than light here.:cool:
 
MoB has been working hard and proven dedicated. While his delivery and presentation NEEDS MUCH HONING, He has legitimate intentions......... He has not even been to school yet.. You ARE dealing with a 16 year old......
 
actually m_ob has been a fairly coherent, intelligent and intelligible poster...which is more than can be said for u, at least here. u made some retort about Godel's theorem as if it negated multiple points at hand, all in an attempt to limit the influence of scientific method in discussions here.

in that light, ur retort to m_ob is not credible. as a bystander to this discussion, i remain open-minded to HAN's perspective and methods, but u r clearly just a reflexive defender from another site he mods at.

i remain interested in explication of HAN's theories and practices, particularly if such theory n practice might be beneficial to my health.

if ur defense of him makes HAN feel more inclined to provide such explication, THAT would be cool...until then, u r more heat than light here.:cool:

whatever.
 
I have to speak up about this situation Shawn. You and Dr. Overbeck could have almost killed me with the disregard for my health and treatment. Thank god I have a family that is will willing to support me through this crisis or I would have been dead months ago. The truth of the matter is when shit hit the fan and I got worse, you bailed on me. No other way to slice it. If you were in my position, what you would expect me to say. That I am happy and grateful. I can't do it. I already said a few good things about you and I honestly I do think you really care about people and want them to get better. You are learning about things just like everyone else is. The thing is that you tell people this is right or wrong with them every day, and alot of times it is wrong and they don't know any better. Then people start doing things like taking medications or supplements that they think might get them healthier and could end up getting very sick in the process or wasting an enormous amount of money.

The problem is that you were wrong with alot of thing in regards to my health and it should have recognized by you or Dr. O when I was getting much worse on 10mg of cortef that we should have scaled back the medication instead of pushing forward. Maybe I would have never developed the CNS symptoms I have now and numbness in my arms. Do you know what it has been like for me these past few months. Vistings hospitals almost every week thinking that I am going to die. I am very strong person, but I have to tell you it has not been easy. And guess what, I still have alot of pain in my cns and numb arms that is not going way.

Where were you in the past few months when I was at my worst. I haven't received a phone call or email in a very long time. So what am I to assume is going on.

In regards to the gut, it may very well be serious problem that I have going on. But what did you do about it. Nothing. No tests, no trial and error with medications, notta. I even had test come back saying a possible candida infection in my stools and you didn't even think to try and treat it. I requested multiple stool tests and other tests to check for things and got no response. It is very easy to tell someone, yeah the problem is in your gut. Anyone can do it. But treating the matter and doing testing is the only way to get healthier and that never happened.

And looking back at it now. If you even did think I had problem in my gut like you say did. Why the hell would I be put on cortef to begin with. Many problems in the gut are often the result of some kind of infection or inflammation going on, and the cortef would have only added gasoline to the fire. Once I got worse on the cortef at 10 mg, we should have stopped and then addressed the gut so to speak. But this did not happen. And it was not until I got much worse on 20 mg of cortef, that you realized, Holy shit, this isn't working and he might have something going in the gut. And by then it was too late.

Overall, as crazy as it sounds, I still wouldn't mind if you responded to a thread I had asking for help or pointed me in the direction of an article/study that might help. I need all the help I can get and you cannot really screw my life up more than you already have. I am just wiser now to what is going on. If you mention something, I will be sure as hell to research it very thoroughly to see if it makes any sense and probably just look at the bigger picture and see if applies to me. Such as gastrointestinal and detoxification issues. I will be posting a very long thread tommorrow asking for help.

You want help study autism inside and out and you will find all the answer as well as 80% of the people here to their health issue.

After the nutraeval test results came in was not it amazing that I had identified what the nutra eval test predicted with supplements. Are you going to deny that fact too?



http://overcomingcandida.com/candida_and_autism.htm

This did not happen over night and will not get fixed over night either.

Why did we put you on cortef because intestinal infections cause inflammation KNOWN FACT, plus your blood test and saliva test symptoms supported it. Reason you may have been getting sick was because the cortef may have been killing the infection by stimulating the immune response.

Your response to garlic, EVCCO was indicator that it was in your gut in the first.
Second off you started shot gunning supplements like they where going out of style making your self sicker.

Some times we are our own worst enemies,
Protocol is trial and error unfortunately and ever once in a blue moon people have adverse reactions because of other things going on that.

You want help start start at ground zero and trust me any other medical professional would have done it the same way we would have..

Keep researhcing your only going to make your self sicker because you will gurranteed your going to start drawing strawls.

Tell me pete what other medical person would have spend the time I did with you.

Would dr john, dr shippen, Dr scally spend the time I did talking you for free going over labs report on my own time NO trying to educate you and point you in the direction to say research this or that. Give you explanation to what is going on NO. sorry but just because there is not a study done on it does not mean it is not possible.

Right now your an emotional state trying to leash out at any one pointing fingers I'm that person fortunately.

Since when are you a Dr to determine that 15 mgs cortef can develope CNS problems with all of the multipitude of other things going on inside you? Again you are just trying to point fingers to blame.
CNS problem was already there and over time it got worse and clincal can not be blamed for the cortef.

PLEASE GIVE ME A STUDY VALIDATING THIS ...
Your body produces up to 100 times amount of cortisol when under stress. So what this means is that ever time you get stress your CNS taking a hit ...

PETE I WAS IN YOUR POSITION 6 YEARS AGO...
Lost my job, freinds, dignity and over 80 lbs of muscle so do not give I do not understand. NO OTHER DR will truly comprehend what we have been through because they have not been through it. Dr's wanted to label me as hypochondriac because they did not take time and dig. Well I dug and I found that you had gut imbalances.
Giving the cortef would help reduce the inflammation as well as help your thyroid get to the tissue. They all where valid reason and logic.

list of supplements I recommended where verfied on nutra eval before you took the test...
nutra eval just verified them.

Go ahead and post away and because there are no clincal studys dealing what you are going through

BTW you stand here ripping me apart but then ask me for help ...isn;t that little illogical and contradictory behavior
Or you just venting because I'm the only one that point fingers at or are their deeper issues at hand..

What's up man. I have tried sending you emails and getting in contact with you for the last few weeks. I have not heard back yet.

There have been some intestinal infection issues and other bacteria infections issues going on and I could really use your help. The docs I am working with are ok, but most don't know that much about the gut/gastrointestinal system, etc. Please email me when you get a chance. Thank you.


Pete

BTW pete my computer got a damn virus knocked it out cold and have been using my iphone for past few weeks. and have not been getting all my emails either SO AGAIN PEOPLE JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS then start ranting and raving.
Your not the one I have not not been recieving email froms.
 
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You want help study autism inside and out and you will find all the answer as well as 80% of the people here to their health issue.

After the nutraeval test results came in was not it amazing that I had identified what the nutra eval test predicted with supplements. Are you going to deny that fact too?



http://overcomingcandida.com/candida_and_autism.htm

This did not happen over night and will not get fixed over night either.

Why did we put you on cortef because intestinal infections cause inflammation KNOWN FACT, plus your blood test and saliva test symptoms supported it. Reason you may have been getting sick was because the cortef may have been killing the infection by stimulating the immune response.

Your response to garlic, EVCCO was indicator that it was in your gut in the first.
Second off you started shot gunning supplements like they where going out of style making your self sicker.

Some times we are our own worst enemies,
Protocol is trial and error unfortunately and ever once in a blue moon people have adverse reactions because of other things going on that.

You want help start start at ground zero and trust me any other medical professional would have done it the same way we would have..

Keep researhcing your only going to make your self sicker because you will gurranteed your going to start drawing strawls.

Tell me pete what other medical person would have spend the time I did with you.

Would dr john, dr shippen, Dr scally spend the time I did talking you for free going over labs report on my own time NO trying to educate you and point you in the direction to say research this or that. Give you explanation to what is going on NO. sorry but just because there is not a study done on it does not mean it is not possible.

Right now your an emotional state trying to leash out at any one pointing fingers I'm that person fortunately.

Since when are you a Dr to determine that 15 mgs cortef can develope CNS problems with all of the multipitude of other things going on inside you? Again you are just trying to point fingers to blame.
CNS problem was already there and over time it got worse and clincal can not be blamed for the cortef.

PLEASE GIVE ME A STUDY VALIDATING THIS ...
Your body produces up to 100 times amount of cortisol when under stress. So what this means is that ever time you get stress your CNS taking a hit ...

PETE I WAS IN YOUR POSITION 6 YEARS AGO...
Lost my job, freinds, dignity and over 80 lbs of muscle so do not give I do not understand. NO OTHER DR will truly comprehend what we have been through because they have not been through it. Dr's wanted to label me as hypochondriac because they did not take time and dig. Well I dug and I found that you had gut imbalances.
Giving the cortef would help reduce the inflammation as well as help your thyroid get to the tissue. They all where valid reason and logic.

list of supplements I recommended where verfied on nutra eval before you took the test...
nutra eval just verified them.

Go ahead and post away and because there are no clincal studys dealing what you are going through

BTW you stand here ripping me apart but then ask me for help ...isn;t that little illogical and contradictory behavior
Or you just venting because I'm the only one that point fingers at or are their deeper issues at hand..

What's up man. I have tried sending you emails and getting in contact with you for the last few weeks. I have not heard back yet.

There have been some intestinal infection issues and other bacteria infections issues going on and I could really use your help. The docs I am working with are ok, but most don't know that much about the gut/gastrointestinal system, etc. Please email me when you get a chance. Thank you.


Pete

BTW pete my computer got a damn virus knocked it out cold and have been using my iphone for past few weeks. and have not been getting all my emails either SO AGAIN PEOPLE JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS then start ranting and raving.
Your not the one I have not not been recieving email froms.


This is the last post I will make in regards to this issue. There is no sense going back and forth with anything because it is not helping me get healthier.

Let me state that I am not asking for help or nor did I say that. I said and meant to say, if I posted a thread and you responded to it or sent me a article that you think might help, I would not say "Please do not respond to this thread or send me anything anymore because you almost ruined my life and could have killed me." If you want to try and help me that is fine. I will get healthy regardless.

In regards to venting, I don't have the time and energy to vent a damn thing. I get my venting in when I work out. I came across a post where someone asked," if you have helped so many people, why aren't there tons of success stories about it." I felt compelled to say, actually, my health got much worse from your help and I have been been going through hell for a very long time as a result of it. Then other people on here had some complaints of their own and posted them.

Concerning CNS symptoms I have now always being there. That is completely false. Before going on cortef, I never any history even remotely related to my cns. Not even headaches.

There is no point looking back at my treatment and get into a he said she said thing, that will not improve my health. What is important, is that I deal with what is going on now and try to get better.

One thing that might very well apply to me and which most people don't know about is the Autism issue you bring up. It deals with the gastrointestinal and detoxification situation very thoroughly. But once again it is easy to say yeah, look into the Autism treatment to see if it helps you. Words need to go into action. Running tests, figuring out underlying causes of problems, then trying to treat them, etc. Its funny, I actually searched for DAN doctors in my area and state to see who was available. Most do know a hell of alot about the how various body systems interact, but alot of them aren't covered by insurance.

I also found out that Functional medicine doctors study alot of the same things as the Autism docs do and I will probably be seeing some of them in the near future. There are also doctors on the Acam website, A4M website, and even chiropractors that can help. I don't care who it is that helps me, I just have to get healthier. And I am know much smarter from going through what I went through these past few months.
 
Was this a mail-in sample? Do you recall the procedure for the sample? Do you have the forms with the testing? I am asking because of certain facts surrounding saliva testing. These are in addition to the point that adrenal fatigue is not a recognized diagnosis, nor is the so-called adrenal support with corticosteroids. Besides the very dangerous suppression of the immune system, there are other problems. Do most even realize the immediate memory deficits caused by corticosteroid "support" with as little as 25-30 mg. There are long-term harms as well. From what I have read, this is a typical starting dose!

FYI: Genova Diagnostics - Diagnostic Laboratory Testing for Wellness & Preventive Medicine - Genova Diagnostics - was established in 1986 as Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab before changing its name to Genova Diagnostics in April 2003 (http://www.genovadiagnostics.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=3).


It was a mail in sample with forms that tested at 4 times throughout the day. I am starting to get a little skeptical about saliva testing as well, but too early to tell. My cortisol am was around 13, which is a little low from my understanding. Never did an atch stim test. Adrenal fatigue is a big issue nowadays and I feel that it can happen with some people. And that it should be treated with some form of adrenal support. But the problem is the cortef and others like medrol, etc. can cause some people serious problems. Also, like Dr. M states and discusses in detail, it not only suppresses your own adrenal funtion, but also suppresses a whole bunch of other things in your body. Often times it is the other things that it suppresses that cause people to feel much worse. Then you have to try and replace or fix all of the other things and it become almost too big of a problem.

Looking back on my experience, I think that people should be given the very bare minimum of adrenal support to help them out temporarily until they can start correcting the other underlying problems in their body. For me, I will try to take a 2.5 every week or so if I can hold out. I actually was instructed to take more cortef even though it was making me feel awful, just because I was told it would help me. When it reality, it backfired on me, and I am dealing with much worse problems right now than just adrenal fatigue.
 
If you mention something, I will be sure as hell to research it very thoroughly to see if it makes any sense and probably just look at the bigger picture and see if applies to me.
Excellent advice regardless of poster or content. I just assumed everyone already follows it. If you don't, you better.
 
Excellent advice regardless of poster or content. I just assumed everyone already follows it. If you don't, you better.

That is why I provided you links to look at via email for you to make your own conclusion, obviously you forgot that.

Have you been to a psychologist at all? If so what was there conclusion. Being in the field you are in when in state of confusion and not well even the best psycholgoist in your own shows will not know they have an issue be in state of denial. It happens to the best of them..

HEAD DOC...like to have your imput on this.
Whats your opinon on hypochondriac,OCD, and anxiety disorders as seen in clincal cases you have had in the past.

Diagnostic criteria for 300.7 Hypochondriasis
(cautionary statement)

A. Preoccupation with fears of having, or the idea that one has, a serious disease based on the person's misinterpretation of bodily symptoms.

B. The preoccupation persists despite appropriate medical evaluation and reassurance.

C. The belief in Criterion A is not of delusional intensity (as in Delusional Disorder, Somatic Type) and is not restricted to a circumscribed concern about appearance (as in Body Dysmorphic Disorder).

D. The preoccupation causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

E. The duration of the disturbance is at least 6 months.

F. The preoccupation is not better accounted for by Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Panic Disorder, a Major Depressive Episode, Separation Anxiety, or another Somatoform Disorder.

Specify if:
With Poor Insight: if, for most of the time during the current episode, the person does not recognize that the concern about having a serious illness is excessive or unreasonable
 
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Just want to say good luck to your future ventures Shawn not that you need it as Im sure you will be succesful with whatever you chose to do. Also here is a guy that predicted my mercury poisoning, high efa acids low ala imbalance, adrenal fatigue hypothyroid, low testhigh e2 , impaired gut flora amongst alot of other things just from a couple emails.


I got mercury poisoning from years of taking too many fish oils everyday non stop plus tuna diets and eating raw oysters and hans recommend me to get hair analysis done and turned out mercury was more than double the top range 2.0 0,2-0.8

I first got in contact with Shawn around March last year and its only now recently im starting to feel
like my old self. I cannot explain why all of a sudden im responding to trt and hcg alot better because at first could not tolerate hcg at all.It may be that Shawn has helped fixed my detoxication pathways to excrete the mercury out and only then I started to respond to trt, hcg etc

There was a time back in october where i suddenly got really sick like i was going backwards and
i had no idea so gave a call to Shawn and he said from my symptoms it may be my thyroid as i had thought it was e2 going up again. He asked me to stand in front of the mirror and see if my eyes were blood shot and if so see if the biggest blood vessel was pointing to a certain direction for both eyes ... i could not believe it when i saw the biggest blood vessel in my eye was both pointing to the same directions as he mentioned ... i was gobsmacked .. turned out it was my thyroid as i had just switched from nature thyroid to generic armour due to the shortage last yr .. now after taking it again the thyroid symptoms sleeping all day n night dissapeared :)


He also helped me find out that the medrol i was taking for adrenal fatigue was a fake by telling to take a saliva cortisol test 1hr after taking it .. cort level was still low same reading as without it. He then suggested me to take cortef and then i took a saliva cort test 1hr after taking the cortef and it was mid range .. for 1st time i saw my morning cortisol level was healthy and started to handle stress aot better and felt there was finally some steady energy throughout the morning and afternoon when i would usuaully feel like shit and need long naps to get by.

So I just like to say a big Thank you to you Shawn for finding out exactly what was wrong with me when 3 different doctors, 1 neurogist and 1 endocrinologist could not and not only that but to a point where i feel healthy again and can do my boxing and weights at least 5x a week when previously i had to sleep up to 15hrs a day and not be able to exercise at all .. plus now finally im starting to socialise alot more and can have good proper laugh without feeling awkward :)
 
He also helped me find out that the medrol i was taking for adrenal fatigue was a fake by telling to take a saliva cortisol test 1hr after taking it .. cort level was still low same reading as without it. He then suggested me to take cortef and then i took a saliva cort test 1hr after taking the cortef and it was mid range .. for 1st time i saw my morning cortisol level was healthy and started to handle stress aot better and felt there was finally some steady energy throughout the morning and afternoon when i would usuaully feel like shit and need long naps to get by.


How much medrol or cortef (or whatever) are you taking for "adrenal fatigue?"
 
You want help study autism inside and out and you will find all the answer as well as 80% of the people here to their health issue.

After the nutraeval test results came in was not it amazing that I had identified what the nutra eval test predicted with supplements. Are you going to deny that fact too?


As I already said, you do not know sh** on autism. I can only hope that there is no one reading your false hopes. You pray on the desperate with false promises of hope. You have still not posted ONCE on a diagnosis and treatment. It is always platitudes and check thyroid, adrenals, nutri-eval, yada, yada, yada . . .

GI Problems and Autism Link? Experts Say No
No Proof Diets Help Autism Symptoms, Many Experts Say
Stomach Pains Autism - ABC News

By LARA SALAHI
April 16, 2010—

Many parents of children with autism report gastrointestinal (GI) pain in their child, but the question remains whether the association between autism and bowel disease truly exists.

An editorial published Thursday in the British Medical Journal examined the continued belief by many of a possible connection between the developmental disorder and the chronic inflammatory bowel disease, that was first dubbed "autistic enterocolitis" by British physician Dr. Andrew Wakefield.

But beyond Wakefield's account, the evidence of any connection between bowel disease and autism is slim, the editorial stated.

The hypothesis was first introduced in 1998 in a roundly discredited study by Wakefield. His paper, published in The Lancet, tied autism and bowel disease to the measles vaccine.

Critics accused Wakefield's paper of using fabricated data to find a link between receipt of the MMR vaccine and the onset of what he described as "behavioral symptoms." And although the paper was retracted from the journal, the belief remained among some doctors and many parents.

Belief in Link Between GI Disorders and Autism Persist

According to Dr. Stephani Hines, a development-behavioral pediatrician at William Beaumont children's hospital in Royal Oak, Mich., the belief is so deep rooted in the autism community that many parents ask him if alleviating their child's stomach pains will treat their autism.

A panel report published in the January issue of Pediatrics found no evidence that digestive problems are more common in children with autism compared to other children, or that special diets -- including the popular gluten-free casein-free diet -- work.

But according to some experts, for a child who has significant behavioral and communication disabilities, it may be difficult for the child to communicate GI issues. And, experts said, the persisting pain from gastrointestinal problems can trigger behavior problems in children with autism.

However, regardless of the evidence, popular belief resides among many experts and parents alike that eliminating certain foods that could cause gastrointestinal problems may help to reduce behavioral problems, a common symptom found in autistic children.

Diets Don't Help Autism, Many Experts Say

Diets have been promoted by celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, whose best-selling book, "Louder Than Words," detailed her use of diets as one method to treat her autistic son. And many autism communities have touted the purported benefits of specialized diets for their children.

Diane Marshall, 42, of Montclair, N.J. put her son David, 13, on a gluten-free casein-free (GFCF) diet for a year when he was 4-years-old. Marshall said that she read success stories from some mothers who tried the diet for their autistic children. At the time, David suffered with severe eczema and a runny stool, she said.

"We definitely thought the diet would help the autism," said Marshall. "We thought [the diet would] get rid of the G.I. issues and also get rid of the autism symptoms."

While the GI issues subsided, Marshall said she did not attribute the end of her son's stomach problems to the diet. And, she said the diet did not help her son overcome autism.

"There are a lot of things out there that are based on evidence, like teaching methods, that will help our kids a lot, but not diets," said Marshall.

According to Dr. Daniel Coury, medical director of the Autism Treatment Network, about 20 percent of parents within the Autism Treatment Network use complementary methods to treat their autistic child, and more than half of those use some form of diets.

"Clearly the gluten free diet is successful in those with celiac disease, but there is no consistent pattern in children with autism," said Coury.

According to Dr. Stephani Hines, development-behavioral pediatrician at William Beaumont children's hospital in Royal Oak, Mich., many parents of autistic children hear about diets so often through the autism community that, regardless of the lack of evidence, they are compelled to try it.

"I do caution that the [GFCF] diet can lack in calcium and protein so I suggest [that parents] meet with a nutritionist," said Hines. "If the diet has helped you, then do what you need to do, but really there's nothing supporting any recommendation to use it for children with autism."

While Marshall said she did not see the value in the diet for her son's autism, many parents like herself are likely to try treatments they've been told worked for other autistic children.

"I've been there; you want to try anything and everything for your kid to make sure you've done your best, so I can understand people wanting to give it a try," said Marshall. "But I don't think you should put all your eggs in one basket. It is not a cure for autism."

Easing the Stomach Pains

According to Coury although many children in general suffer from gastrointestinal problems, children with autism are less likely to be treated than those without the disorder.

"Some physicians assume that GI complaints are part in parcel with the child having autism, and so they say nothing can be done," said Coury. "But if those complaints are with a typical child, then proper medical attention is sought."

The same treatment that is offered to children without autism who suffer from GI issues should be given to those with autism, he said. For some autistic children in some instances, spontaneous movements may be a reaction to gastrointestinal pain.

"We might miss that with children on the spectrum because we attribute these behaviors to autism rather than GI reflux," said Coury.

"We know that gastrointestinal symptoms exist across the entire pediatric population," said Hines. "When some of these non-verbal autistic children have pain, they may not be able to tell you what is experienced among all children."

But while current research does not suggest a link between autism and bowel disease, according to Coury, improving the GI problems could help improve an autistic child's overall health.

"If we improve your health, and you feel better, you're more available to learn in school, you're more available to make improvement in your development," said Coury. "So we think improvement in health may help the child make better progress in their autism."
 
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That is why I provided you links to look at via email for you to make your own conclusion, obviously you forgot that.

Have you been to a psychologist at all? If so what was there conclusion. Being in the field you are in when in state of confusion and not well even the best psycholgoist in your own shows will not know they have an issue be in state of denial. It happens to the best of them..

HEAD DOC...like to have your imput on this.
Whats your opinon on hypochondriac,OCD, and anxiety disorders as seen in clincal cases you have had in the past.

Diagnostic criteria for 300.7 Hypochondriasis
(cautionary statement)

A. Preoccupation with fears of having, or the idea that one has, a serious disease based on the person's misinterpretation of bodily symptoms.

B. The preoccupation persists despite appropriate medical evaluation and reassurance.

C. The belief in Criterion A is not of delusional intensity (as in Delusional Disorder, Somatic Type) and is not restricted to a circumscribed concern about appearance (as in Body Dysmorphic Disorder).

D. The preoccupation causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

E. The duration of the disturbance is at least 6 months.

F. The preoccupation is not better accounted for by Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Panic Disorder, a Major Depressive Episode, Separation Anxiety, or another Somatoform Disorder.

Specify if:
With Poor Insight: if, for most of the time during the current episode, the person does not recognize that the concern about having a serious illness is excessive or unreasonable

This is not the arena to do diagnosis. I don't think that this is the arena to do evaluation of competence. For instance, I get evaluated by Cigna periodically. These evaluations are based upon client feedback that Cigna collects. for the past two years, they send me a summary and compare me to other Cigna providers in AZ and then the nation. Diagnosis of major mental illness is the criteria for including a client's responses in the summary. The evaluations have been consistent for both years: 60% satisfaction for providers in AZ, 70% for the nation and 85% for me. I also tend to hold their clients in treatment longer than others in the state or nation. My point is suppose one of the other 15% starts posting here. Although I might benefit from some honest feedback on what lowered the opinion of the other 15%, I would not appreciate or want a minority opinion to cloud my reputation.
 
Half of what you speak of is fantasy anyway. Intracellular testing, hollistic herbal remedies. You are a scam artist and a quack.

I know BigBoyee has been banned (good riddance), but I will respond that my own experience of a couple weeks on HAN's advice, so far, has helped me a LOT!
 
He [HAN] also helped me find out that the medrol i was taking for adrenal fatigue was a fake by telling to take a saliva cortisol test 1hr after taking it .. cort level was still low same reading as without it. He [HAN] then suggested me to take cortef and then i took a saliva cort test 1hr after taking the cortef and it was mid range

Even the most legit medrol will not show up on any cortisol test [blood, saliva, urinary]. In fact. your results show exactly what one would expect... lowered cortisol production due to suppression of the HPA from exogenous synthetic corticosteroids.

-Chem
 
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