bulking cycle: second cycle

[Conquer696969]

hey. first off this cycle I'm going to be trying tren for the first time. i am looking for opinions on any improvements on my cycle plan/idea. fore diet and training i have a online coach that helps me with my macros and exercise plans.

my stats are : 5 foot 5inches/ male/ 21 years old/ bf percentage 10.8%
161 lbs

cycle: 1-12 weeks
tren e - 1-10- 200mg week ( 300 front load first 2 weeks)
test e - 1-12 500mg week (600 front load first 2 weeks)
dbol 1-5 50mg ED
armidex- 2-12 1mg EOD
T3 cytomel: 3-10 50mg 2 days on 2 days off
anadrol 3-8 50mg ED
proviron- 4-12 100mg ED
LIV 52 1-12 ED

PCT: 12-16 (4 weeks pct)
CLOMID- 200mg week 1/ 150mg week 2 / 100mg week 3/ 50mg week 4
noLVADEX- 40MG ED
liv 52 ED

other supplements
TAURINE 3000MG ED
MAGNESIUM
VIT C/D
MILK TISTLE
CREATINE
MULTI VITAMIN

I've read online that I may need for of an anti/preventive estrogen support stronger than armidex. looking for opinions. and I know I'm only 21 and shouldn't be using gear at such a strong age but at the end of the day I WILL anyways

 

[Apexvallen]

First off, you're way too young and you're an absolute fucking idiot for using steroids so young. You shouldn't be using tren on a second cycle either.

You should be using tren A for the first time ever using tren aswell. Enanthate will be in your system for a while. Don't bother front loading test, just means a bigger hit of estro. Your clomid dose is a lil high but it probably won't hurt anything. Just a waste of money and clomid. I assume youll get bloods before you start this as any responsible steroid user would. I assume youll get mid cycle bloods to check your estrogen as any responsible steroid user will.

Where the fuck did you read you need something stronger than arimidex? Why? Arimidex is strong as hell but it will fuck with your lipids though. Seriously, drop the tren completely. Try 0.5mg of arimidex EOD if you're not sure how strongly you aromatise. You'll feel like crap if you crash your estro.

 

[Heavy Iron]

Why would you start your pct the same week you stop taking test.

 

[Conquer696969]

Why would you start your pct the same week you stop taking test.

My bad, I forgot to add the 10 days gap between.

 

[Conquer696969]

First off, you're way too young and you're an absolute fucking idiot for using steroids so young. You shouldn't be using tren on a second cycle either.

You should be using tren A for the first time ever using tren aswell. Enanthate will be in your system for a while. Don't bother front loading test, just means a bigger hit of estro. Your clomid dose is a lil high but it probably won't hurt anything. Just a waste of money and clomid. I assume youll get bloods before you start this as any responsible steroid user would. I assume youll get mid cycle bloods to check your estrogen as any responsible steroid user will.

Where the fuck did you read you need something stronger than arimidex? Why? Arimidex is strong as hell but it will fuck with your lipids though. Seriously, drop the tren completely. Try 0.5mg of arimidex EOD if you're not sure how strongly you aromatise. You'll feel like crap if you crash your estro.

My goals are to gain size. I thought by saying bulking you would realize "bulk up / cut down" I'm 161 and my goals weight 185. And yes I will get bloods before / half way / after cycle.
I want to try tren though.

 

[Apexvallen]

Oh, you WANT to? Well thats okay then....

 

[Leancuisine]

My bad, I forgot to add the 10 days gap between.

Try 3 weeks there big guy.

If you're going to run tren, do acetate first. That way if it doesn't agree with your body, it only takes days as opposed to weeks to clear your system.
Second... don't front load a compound you've never tried before.

Why are you taking anadrol at week 3? Why for 5 weeks?
Why are you taking T3? Why at such odd times? There's no reason to take it two on two off. Either replace your thyroid hormone or don't.

So let's just figure this out. Tren E isn't going to start building up and showing its positives and negatives until week 3 or 4. So week 3 hits, tren is just rearing its head, do not only is your body dealing with the high blood pressure and increased heart rate from tren, but you add in anadrol (also presumably for the first time) and really slam your body. That's a good way to kill yourself of a stroke.

I don't give a shit what you do. Just try to think things through before you do them.

You always have to look at the positives and negatives of things.
I have a feeling you haven't taken any of these things before. You don't want to overload your body like this. Slow and steady. If you slam your system like this, chances are you will burn out long before you attain your physique goals. Slow and steady man.

I really don't think you need tren, especially at 21. Another good test cycle would definitely get you up to 185.

If you want advice, just run another test cycle. Kickstart with anadrol. I would drop tren, T3, and proviron. You're 21 man. Save your money. Try this instead

14 week cycle.
Week 1-4: 50-100mg Drol ED
Week 1-14: Test E 500mg/wk
Take your adex .25mg EOD to start.

Week17-20: Clomid 100/50/50/50, Nolva 40/40/20/20

Also, about PCT. 200mg of clomid is overkill. Lots of people get very emotional on clomid. I wouldn't even take 100mg for more than 3 days. Then the rest of the PCT I would just do 50mg.

 

[Ironlord]

You're asking for all kinds of problems with this. Dbol and drol? Do you like your liver?

Tren dbol and drol, all overlapping? Hello stroke, sure hope you keep that blood pressure monitored...

Clomid is way too high. You didn't pct after your first cycle did you?

 

[Conquer696969]

You're asking for all kinds of problems with this. Dbol and drol? Do you like your liver?

Tren dbol and drol, all overlapping? Hello stroke, sure hope you keep that blood pressure monitored...

Clomid is way too high. You didn't pct after your first cycle did you?

I've ran dbol in the past but I have never used drol before. I was reading it's not as harsh on the body as dbol with less sides so I figured it would not be as bad.
The steroids I have used are: dbol/clen/T3/ test e / proviron/ armidex / clomid / nolvadex.
On my last cycle I ran clomid / nolvadex and a bit of armidex 10 days after my last injection of test E. it worked for me I did 4 weeks with no sides after cycle. Blood work was a little high though.

 

[Apexvallen]

Nah, anadrol is way more hepatoxic and more likely to give you a big spike in BP. Where are you finding all your info btw?

 

[Conquer696969]

Nah, anadrol is way more hepatoxic and more likely to give you a big spike in BP. Where are you finding all your info btw?

Thank you for the solid advice everyone especially apexvallen
I'm gonna drop the drol then.
I've been reading a ton of forums and other links. So I guess no "reliable" source. Just what other members as to members
I'm glad I posted this because I'm noticing I'm taking way to much and some things I'm taking arnt needed
As for before I read on the forums that tren drastically affects your thyroid so I though t3 would be good to counter that.

 

[Apexvallen]

Well you can keep the drol and just see how you go, adjust dosages if needed and see if your BP spikes and check liver values etc. Its all a calculated risk.

Yeah you will find ten different answers to the same question on ten different forums.