Bulking up blast

[RzSco]

Time to get big (or less small).
27yo/82kg/190cm/10%/veiny abs and quads

I've been cruising on a 250mg test U per week which has given me test level of 730ng/dL.

My plan for this blast:
1-4: 30-50mg dbol
1-10: 550mg test E, 200mg deca
11-20: 850mg test E, 400mg deca

I have caber, asin, adex, telmisartan, and HCTZ on hand in large quantities to deal with expected sides of high blood pressure, estrogen and prolactin.

Diet: starting at 3000 calories at around 40P 40C 20F (in calorie terms, not gram terms, I was never sure of the notation here). Will adjust calories based on what the scale does, aiming for 0.5kg weekly increase.

Workout: 3 sets per muscle group every other day on six day split. So nine sets per muscle per week. Always training close to failure.

1. Does this all look okay?
2. Should I just start with the 850/400 dose, will it give faster progress or is it a waste of oil?
3. Should I save dbol for plateaus instead of as a kickstart? It was just lying around and needs used up.
4. Is 10kg gain a good target for a 20 week fairly lean bulk?

 

[Aestheticstqwe98]

Only 9 sets per bodypart per week?

What's the point of taking AAS then?

A full blown natty could recover from 9 sets per week with a glass of OJ and a scoop of EAA's.

Is this like some Mike Mentzer HIT bullshit or you just like the number 9? Personally I would dial in my training before blasting a gram of shit.

 

[Kurosawa]

Only 9 sets per bodypart per week?

What's the point of taking AAS then?

A full blown natty could recover from 9 sets per week with a glass of OJ and a scoop of EAA's.

Is this like some Mike Mentzer HIT bullshit or you just like the number 9? Personal I would dial in my training before blasting a gram of shit.

I agree.

 

[NLM36]

Only 9 sets per bodypart per week?

What's the point of taking AAS then?

A full blown natty could recover from 9 sets per week with a glass of OJ and a scoop of EAA's.

Is this like some Mike Mentzer HIT bullshit or you just like the number 9? Personal I would dial in my training before blasting a gram of shit.

Really? Trying doing 9 sets of DC training per body part a week. Or 9 working sets of Blood and Guts.
I do 4-8 sets for most body parts a week. The numbers don’t matter it’s the intensity and quality of the sets that do.
One of my favorite routines has about 2 working sets per body part a week. Volume is irrelevant

 

[NLM36]

Growth Principles for Beginners - By Big A - Synthetek
One of my favorite routines. The guy is a monster and this is what he’s done for years.

 

[Human_backhoe]

Trying doing 9 sets of DC training per body part a week. Or 9 working sets of Blood and Guts.

Love this. Build up and pump work is excluded!

 

[Kurosawa]

Really? Trying doing 9 sets of DC training per body part a week. Or 9 working sets of Blood and Guts.
I do 4-8 sets for most body parts a week. The numbers don’t matter it’s the intensity and quality of the sets that do.
One of my favorite routines has about 2 working sets per body part a week. Volume is irrelevant

Off topic but that training regiment you recommended to me is great. Upper one kicked my ass lol

 

[NLM36]

when I worked with Phil Hernon I did 3 sets per body part 2 x a week it was push pull legs.
I had one exercise I had to hammer to hell and back with one top end set and 2 back off sets. No fluff exercises.
push)
Decline bench press 5-9,10-12,15-20
Db lat raises
Dips
Pull)
Pull ups
Bent over Db rows
Hammer curls
Legs)
Squats
Db stiff leg dead lifts
Calves
3 on 1 off
There was another variation of reps on the second rotation but that was it. Nothing sexy or magic just hard sets and progressive overload.

 

[RzSco]

Growth Principles for Beginners - By Big A - Synthetek
One of my favorite routines. The guy is a monster and this is what he’s done for years.

I've actually been doing a very similar routine to what is described in the link there for my maintenance, with a full body routine of single set compound exercises three times a week, and it's been enough to progress on my lifts a little though I am not growing without a surplus. I figured for bulking I should probably up it to three sets.

This is basically the logic I'm following - I train to failure rather than doing straight sets and it usually looks something like "12, 10, 8, 6, 5" if I'm doing five sets for example.

If I'm doing straight sets at the same weight I might manage "10, 10, 10, 10, 10", it's a little bit more volume but only the last couple of sets are very challenging.

The studies I have read on optimal number of sets suggest severe diminishing returns in terms of strength and mass gains beyond three sets per workout if sets are taken to or near failure.

Rest-pause training as in DC is very interesting to me as I'm all about getting the most results out of the least time, making sure every rep counts, and progressively overloading at every possible opportunity.

 

[Aestheticstqwe98]

Really? Trying doing 9 sets of DC training per body part a week. Or 9 working sets of Blood and Guts.
I do 4-8 sets for most body parts a week. The numbers don’t matter it’s the intensity and quality of the sets that do.
One of my favorite routines has about 2 working sets per body part a week. Volume is irrelevant

Ah I misread OP post. Didn't realize he was doing a full-body 3x/week, in which case it's important to keep the volume relatively moderate so as to not skullfuck your CNS.

But I still don't think that 9-sets/per body-part/per-week would warrant that much gear usage, that's what I was hinting at in my original comment. Not to mention, OP has 4 rest days per week...seems like a waste of gear to me.

Medium-high volume + medium-high intensity has always been my bread and butter.

But who am I to say what does and doesn't work for different folks. Was just dropping my 2 pennies.

 

[Themassterplan]

Only 9 sets per bodypart per week?

What's the point of taking AAS then?

A full blown natty could recover from 9 sets per week with a glass of OJ and a scoop of EAA's.

Is this like some Mike Mentzer HIT bullshit or you just like the number 9? Personally I would dial in my training before blasting a gram of shit.

If doing the common bodybuilding type training, yeah, 9 is a tad too low but just like you said, if doing 9, it has to be Mike Mentzer type bs. Was doing a modified DC type training on my last blast and wow did I put on crazy mass with low volume per body part. Wouldn’t do it again though.

 

[NLM36]

If doing the common bodybuilding type training, yeah, 9 is a tad too low but just like you said, if doing 9, it has to be Mike Mentzer type bs. Was doing a modified DC type training on my last blast and wow did I put on crazy mass with low volume per body part. Wouldn’t do it again though.

I can’t train any other way lol

 

[RzSco]

Well, you guys have made me feel like I'm half assing it either way with my 3 sets per workout.

I like training at high intensity more than the typical bodybuilding type training so I'll try the Mike Mentzer type BS for this cycle.

Warmup, single set to failure and then rest-pause until I'm DEAD! Full body 3x a week.

 

[NLM36]

Well, you guys have made me feel like I'm half assing it either way with my 3 sets per workout.

I like training at high intensity more than the typical bodybuilding type training so I'll try the Mike Mentzer type BS for this cycle.

Warmup, single set to failure and then rest-pause until I'm DEAD! Full body 3x a week.

Why full body? Just do DC training. Full body that intense 3x a week will fry your cns. If you’re killing yourself on the first couple body parts the rest will suffer because you won’t have the energy to train them hard enough

 

[RzSco]

Why full body? Just do DC training. Full body that intense 3x a week will fry your cns. If you’re killing yourself on the first couple body parts the rest will suffer because you won’t have the energy to train them hard enough

I will do a test of putting the exercises in a different order and see how it effects the reps I achieve. I think because my lifts are relatively low that maybe my CNS can handle full body training for now, but I shall verify this and switch to DC split if it's not possible.

 

[Aestheticstqwe98]

Well, you guys have made me feel like I'm half assing it either way with my 3 sets per workout.

I like training at high intensity more than the typical bodybuilding type training so I'll try the Mike Mentzer type BS for this cycle.

Warmup, single set to failure and then rest-pause until I'm DEAD! Full body 3x a week.

No fuck that, do what you want to do. Don't let idiots like me influence your decisions.

At the very least I would keep the full body 3x/week, but do 4 working sets per muscle-group per workout - split between 2 movements.

Ex. CHEST
*warm-up set*
Monday:
Incline bb press (*15-20*, 12-15, 8-10)
Decline bb press(*15-20*, 12-15, 8-10)
Wednesday:
Flatbench db press(*15-20*, 12-15, 8-10)
Incline db flyes (*15-20*, 12-15, 8-10)
Friday:
Landmine press (*15-20*, 12-15, 8-10)
incline cable flyes (*15-20*, 12-15, 8-10)

This way your lightweight warm-up set actually doubles as a working set withing the 3-set pyramid..more volume, but without the CNS overload that you would get from adding additional heavy sets.

 

[RzSco]

If I didn't let people with more experience influence my decisions I'd still be doing stronglifts 5x5 after six years and wondering why I'm stuck!

I actually really like that idea - it may be too much volume as NLM36 suggested but I'll give it a go as the variety would be fun.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Blood n guts and DC style are my preferred way of training.
But when you start your blast change your program do a john meadows hypertrophy shock your muscles and body and you will grow for sure !

Have you got any cycles under your belt? If yes you will be disappointed at your height.

Do 750 test 500-600 deca have dbols and anadrol and blast them here and there and you will grow for sure.
Don't over eat listen to your body eat whenever hungry high protein always.
You can use mk677 for rapid appetite and weight gain but I wouldn't recommend it with test and deca cause you will have a lot of water retention.
However with a cleaner cycle mk677 is great.

 

[rfan2020]

Why full body? Just do DC training. Full body that intense 3x a week will fry your cns. If you’re killing yourself on the first couple body parts the rest will suffer because you won’t have the energy to train them hard enough

once again I agree with this guy

 

[NLM36]

Blood n guts and DC style are my preferred way of training.
But when you start your blast change your program do a john meadows hypertrophy shock your muscles and body and you will grow for sure !

Have you got any cycles under your belt? If yes you will be disappointed at your height.

Do 750 test 500-600 deca have dbols and anadrol and blast them here and there and you will grow for sure.
Don't over eat listen to your body eat whenever hungry high protein always.
You can use mk677 for rapid appetite and weight gain but I wouldn't recommend it with test and deca cause you will have a lot of water retention.
However with a cleaner cycle mk677 is great.

I don’t think guys should really change up their training. The body does need to do some it’s never done before in order to adapt and grow but all that’s needed is adding weight, slowing the tempo or adding reps.