Bulking up blast

[Live_Evil]

I do not agree. these top level athletes have top genetics, and then don't work 40 hours per week. their life is their training, they get weekly massages, recovery protocols, they can eat amounts of food that make gym bro walk around 15 percent with muffin top and stay lean.

These top tier genetics specifically refer to being faster, stronger, more athletic, more explosive, etc, which would actually hurt a person's CNS recovery, because they're using more energy per movement. If CNS fatigue was as common as some of these guys claim, the top tier athletes wouldn't train 6-8 hours a day, they'd train even less than the average gym bro.

CNS overtraining is just an excuse to be lazy, for most people. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's nearly impossible and/or incredibly rare.

I've hit 35-40 sets per muscle group per week, and didn't feel any additional fatigue while blasting. I was also adding weight consistently.

 

[NLM36]

These top tier genetics specifically refer to being faster, stronger, more athletic, more explosive, etc, which would actually hurt a person's CNS recovery, because they're using more energy per movement. If CNS fatigue was as common as some of these guys claim, the top tier athletes wouldn't train 6-8 hours a day, they'd train even less than the average gym bro.

CNS overtraining is just an excuse to be lazy, for most people. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's nearly impossible and/or incredibly rare.

I've hit 35-40 sets per muscle group per week, and didn't feel any additional fatigue while blasting. I was also adding weight consistently.

So misinformed like most of your posts. This ranks up there with people produce almost no gh after 30.

 

[Live_Evil]

So misinformed like most of your posts. This ranks up there with people produce almost no gh after 30.

I have never once said anything about GH production post 30 in the ten years I've frequented this forum....

 

[NLM36]

I have never once said anything about GH production post 30 in the ten years I've frequented this forum....

Have you confused with another poster then. Maybe it was lil hawk or something

 

[RzSco]

So, I took a few days break and on training again, the result is that one rest day between muscle groups is clearly NOT sufficient for me and has led to a chronic lack of full recovery which is probably responsible for the chronic lack of progress.

However according to measurements I've gained around 2kg muscle and 1kg fat in my first month on the blast (ignoring the 3kg of water weight), and progress pics tend to suggest that all the same veins and ab show are still present. So while I've been "overtraining" I have still made some gains, and I consider it a good result although I will obviously have to do a cut at the end of the cycle.

I'm going to try a four day split ABxABxx which will give 2/3 rest days between muscle groups, hopefully this will provide for full recovery.

 

[RzSco]

Nope, tried a 2 day rest and my strength has plummeted even worse.

I'm in a surplus I'm on a shit ton of gear I'm doing 5x10s now and all my lifts are DOWN 5 to 10%.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

 

[RzSco]

Absolutely fucking plummeted, I went from 9 chin ups last time to fucking 7 for example in the first set. Surely 2 days is enough recovery for 5 failure sets???

I always end up training to failure because my lifts keep DROPPING

 

[Ironman580]

So, I took a few days break and on training again, the result is that one rest day between muscle groups is clearly NOT sufficient for me and has led to a chronic lack of full recovery which is probably responsible for the chronic lack of progress.

However according to measurements I've gained around 2kg muscle and 1kg fat in my first month on the blast (ignoring the 3kg of water weight), and progress pics tend to suggest that all the same veins and ab show are still present. So while I've been "overtraining" I have still made some gains, and I consider it a good result although I will obviously have to do a cut at the end of the cycle.

I'm going to try a four day split ABxABxx which will give 2/3 rest days between muscle groups, hopefully this will provide for full recovery.

Abx-abxx gimme a break with this silly shit man- just hit the gym man

 

[Gbro]

Absolutely fucking plummeted, I went from 9 chin ups last time to fucking 7 for example in the first set. Surely 2 days is enough recovery for 5 failure sets???

I always end up training to failure because my lifts keep DROPPING

Are you going to failure on every set? How many total exercises and how many sets in a workout. Something doesn't sound right.

 

[Test_Subject]

Absolutely fucking plummeted, I went from 9 chin ups last time to fucking 7 for example in the first set. Surely 2 days is enough recovery for 5 failure sets???

I always end up training to failure because my lifts keep DROPPING

I’d get some bloodwork done. You may be deficit in something because two days should be plenty of rest unless you’re absolutely destroying yourself every workout.

Sleep is good?

 

[eery]

Nope, tried a 2 day rest and my strength has plummeted even worse.

I'm in a surplus I'm on a shit ton of gear I'm doing 5x10s now and all my lifts are DOWN 5 to 10%.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

lower your volume so you do a volume you can recover better from. Get the most you can out of 2-3 sets, 5 worksets sounds like some volume fluff.

 

[RzSco]

I did 5 failure sets (with full rests, not RP) of each compound lift on Monday in 5-20 rep range. I didn't get DOMS from this but I had to skip workout on Wednesday because I had no strength and even today wasn't better.

I'm also having trouble sleeping and generally feeling lethargic and having aches and pains.

It fits all the symptoms of overtraining really, I'm just surprised it could happen because my lifts are pretty bad and it wasn't really that much volume compared to some people's routines

Getting bloods in next couple weeks, I'll be getting test, estradiol, prolactin, liver, cholesterol and FBC, anything else worth a check?

 

[Test_Subject]

I did 5 failure sets (with full rests, not RP) of each compound lift on Monday in 5-20 rep range. I didn't get DOMS from this but I had to skip workout on Wednesday because I had no strength and even today wasn't better.

I'm also having trouble sleeping and generally feeling lethargic and having aches and pains.

It fits all the symptoms of overtraining really, I'm just surprised it could happen because my lifts are pretty bad and it wasn't really that much volume compared to some people's routines

Getting bloods in next couple weeks, I'll be getting test, estradiol, prolactin, liver, cholesterol and FBC, anything else worth a check?

Try taking a magnesium and potassium sup. Low electrolytes can cause pretty severe muscle aches and a general shitty feeling. It could be something as simple as that.

Just don’t overdo it or you’ll shit yourself.

Actual overtraining is extremely rare. It’s probably something diet related if I were to venture a guess.

 

[Gbro]

Gear. Diet. Rest. One of them is shit.

You're training hard and not recovering. Are you sure your gear is good? You said you're in a surplus, is it a good surplus? Are you chowing down on double whammy burgers and soda? What about hydration? It's still hot in a lot of the country. What does your sleep look like?

 

[eery]

I did 5 failure sets (with full rests, not RP) of each compound lift on Monday in 5-20 rep range. I didn't get DOMS from this but I had to skip workout on Wednesday because I had no strength and even today wasn't better.

I'm also having trouble sleeping and generally feeling lethargic and having aches and pains.

It fits all the symptoms of overtraining really, I'm just surprised it could happen because my lifts are pretty bad and it wasn't really that much volume compared to some people's routines

Getting bloods in next couple weeks, I'll be getting test, estradiol, prolactin, liver, cholesterol and FBC, anything else worth a check?

Check these links out:

Signs You're Overtraining & How to Fix It Fatigue Indicators and How To Use Them | Juggernaut Training Systems 19 Signs of Overtraining: How to Avoid Excess Fatigue and OTS Overtraining: What It Is, Symptoms, and Recovery | HSS
Overtraining Syndrome

Overtraining Syndrome

Original Editor - Puja Gaikwad

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Fatigue Indicators and How To Use Them | Juggernaut Training Systems 19 Signs of Overtraining: How to Avoid Excess Fatigue and OTS Overtraining: What It Is, Symptoms, and Recovery | HSS

Overtraining Syndrome: A Practical Guide

Fatigue and underperformance are common in athletes. Understanding overtraining syndrome (OTS) is helpful in the evaluation, management, and education of athletes.Relevant articles in English were searched with OVID (1948-2011) and PubMed using the following ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Overtraining Syndrome

Original Editor - Puja Gaikwad

www.physio-pedia.com

it looks like a cow, sounds like a cow, moves like a cow ...maybe its a cow?


I disagree that overreaching/non functional overreaching is very rare, theres a reason people incorporate deloads and limit their training volume and intensity, so they can recover.

 

[Big_paul]

Only 9 sets per bodypart per week

Because performance enhancing drugs will maximize his gains in size and strength greatly, but is it worth it?

After 25 years of using PED's I would suggest keeping hormone use to a minimum to prevent unwanted sides.

A few cycles isn't likely to damage your natural production of testosterone, but from one who has abused PED's, using a needle is not the way you want to spend your life.

Imo it's preferable to keep dosage at a minimum allowing for recovery between cycles.

 

[RzSco]

Non-anaemic iron deficiency

Non-anaemic Iron Deficiency is a reduced content of total body iron. It occurs when the iron deficiency is sufficient to reduce erythropoiesis. Written by a GP.

patient.info

Based on my last bloodwork in which I had OK hematocrit, high RDW, and low ferritin and TIBC I think it's highly likely I am suffering from this condition and experiencing an intermittent anemia due to my lack of iron reserves.

High amounts of exercise and excessive consumption of cows milk are listed as contributory factors and I certainly do both.

I will begin taking an iron supplement and push my bloods back a few weeks to see if I can improve my ferritin levels off the floor.

Might finally be onto the real issue here.

 

[amindzeye]

I've had similar experiences as OP. I think the issue is your shitty sleep is affecting your recovery. I am pretty sure I have sleep apnea, and always wake up throughout the night. I decided to take 3 days off instead of the usual two. Came back stronger on my most lagging muscle group.

 

[RzSco]

I've had similar experiences as OP. I think the issue is your shitty sleep is affecting your recovery. I am pretty sure I have sleep apnea, and always wake up throughout the night. I decided to take 3 days off instead of the usual two. Came back stronger on my most lagging muscle group.

That's a possibility, I know I snore and I wake up a lot also. I downloaded a sleep monitor app but it didn't seem to be able to pick anything up.

Any recommendations for apps to diagnose or should I just go to the doctor and ask for a sleep study.

 

[Ferenor]

That's a possibility, I know I snore and I wake up a lot also. I downloaded a sleep monitor app but it didn't seem to be able to pick anything up.

Any recommendations for apps to diagnose or should I just go to the doctor and ask for a sleep study.

Apps are unreliable. Fitness bands / smartwatches better but still unreliable.