Canadians talk domestic

[Ackmud]

My issue with ordering anything "pharm grade" overseas is how do you really know if it's pharm grade? Even when the source sells products that support they're real from reviews with bloodwork, how do you know it's not just UGL stuff replicated to appear like pharm grade? I used to order from European sources years ago, Karachi sustanon with amps clearly much bigger in size than actual Karachi sustanon, and pink thai dbol that was much darker in colour and wouldn't spread pink "dye" when wet with water. Just a few examples. The gear still worked but it wasn't legit pharm grade. So I figured why pay extra when you might be getting UGL regardless, and with the risk of customs seizures and much longer wait times.

Often they won't even send you a seizure letter but they track the # of seized shipments. LOL once I was returning to home from a vacation and the customs officer selected to go through my luggage in detail, he asked me "did you use to live at such and such address?" I said yes, and he yells "You had x number of anabolic steroid shipments seized! That's why you were flagged today!" I can't remember the # of shipments but it wasn't low. I was dumbfounded. Strangely though, I've flown in and out of Canada many times, both before and after this particular customs experience, and have never been flagged...my guess is he just looked my history up after I was selected or maybe the other offices didn't care to guess if I used to live at an address with seizures etc. Either way it was an eye opener.

If we trust our UGL source for gear I don't see why we wouldn't trust them for PCT stuff.

 

[Devil3]

Playing devils advocate here, but everybody knows pharma will be the only thing dosed 100%. No pulling the wool over the eyes that's just a given. UGL will be very close. That being said when it comes to serms/ancillaries, most users don't even know what to look for, what to expect, so they just assume it's doing its job, and any UGL can get away with a placebo if that's the case.

The premium price you pay for pharma basically guarantees you:

Peace of mind
Sterility
Quality

But, cost.

 

[RoidedUpEbi]

I see that mission has pharma but holy shit it isn't cheap. I'll message some of the others.

There's a better source for pharm grade PCT/ ancillaries that ships to Canada and is cheaper, just got to look around.

 

[Leangains4life]

I see that mission has pharma but holy shit it isn't cheap. I'll message some of the others.

Why pharma?

 

[Jak3d]

I see both sides I guess. It's been 5 years so my next cycle will be 10 weeks of test cyp to make sure I don't decide to sprout bitch tits in my old age all of a sudden. I'll give the ugl nolvadex and arimidex a chance but for my first tren e cycle I'll probaly find a pharma caber and nolvadex for that shit. I know pharma works because it's all I've ever used and I've never had a problem. Of course I've never done any of the big boy steroids but for test and var or whinny I've been good.

 

[Jak3d]

Why pharma?

I'm not sure I get what you're asking but It's because it's all I've ever used for pct.

 

[Devil3]

Why pharma?

Read my above reasons

 

[Jak3d]

There's a better source for pharm grade PCT/ ancillaries that ships to Canada and is cheaper, just got to look around.

Ya I figured that. I don't know how much I ever paid because it was always tell him what I want he tells me how much and I paid the man but 105 for pharma nolvadex sounds a little high

 

[Devil3]

Ya I figured that. I don't know how much I ever paid because it was always tell him what I want he tells me how much and I paid the man but 105 for pharma nolvadex sounds a little high

Is this Apotex nolva? I'm sorry I am not familiar with Missions list.

 

[Jak3d]

Is this Apotex nolva? I'm sorry I am not familiar with Missions list.

Canadian Pharmacy Nolvadex ( Tamoxifen ) - 20mg/tab - 30 tablets - $100 (HG)

 

[flavio lopes]

Canadian Pharmacy Nolvadex ( Tamoxifen ) - 20mg/tab - 30 tablets - $100 (HG)

Ouch that's expensive

 

[Devil3]

I can get Nolvadex 20mg/tab, 100 tabs, Apotex, Canada rn but it's pricy. very pricy. Anybody familiar with?

 

[Jak3d]

Apotex is one of the big Canadian pharmas so it should be top notch. Doesn't the guy who owns the Ottawa senators own Apotex?

 

[Ackmud]

Playing devils advocate here, but everybody knows pharma will be the only thing dosed 100%. No pulling the wool over the eyes that's just a given. UGL will be very close. That being said when it comes to serms/ancillaries, most users don't even know what to look for, what to expect, so they just assume it's doing its job, and any UGL can get away with a placebo if that's the case.

The premium price you pay for pharma basically guarantees you:

Peace of mind
Sterility
Quality

But, cost.

BUT you won't know if it's really pharm grade or not, unless you're personally getting it from the pharmacy yourself.

 

[Ackmud]

Also I don't quite agree with the comment that you won't know your ancillaries are working or not when UGL, I see bloat reduce and my bodyweight go down when I add my UGL Aromasin (biomed)

 

[Devil3]

Also I don't quite agree with the comment that you won't know your ancillaries are working or not when UGL, I see bloat reduce and my bodyweight go down when I add my UGL Aromasin (biomed)

Ackmud, you're disagreeing with your own misinterpretation of what I said.

I didn't say you won't know your ancillaries are working if they're UGL, I was referring to the users who have no idea what to physically feel or experience from an AI or serm; those people are the ones who can be provided a placebo and not even know it. But, not have any negative sides or minimal sides during their run, so they assume it's good stuff.

If you trust your source, it's legit. Don't let anybody scare you with the pharma could be fake. Yea, it very well could be, although in my personal experiences most pharma/HG is often counterfeited instead bunk ( ie the blue hearts I use ), but considering my source for the Apotex is very well known, I'm confident it's real. Just very pricy for Nolva.

I'm using UGL products as we speak.

 

[Riz]

Hey Fellas not to hijack the thread but looking to hear your opinions.

I have some generic HCG produced in a Canadian lab and the expiry date is set for April 2017.

The HCG is unmixed and still in its sealed vial. I won't be using it until July 2017. You think the HCG will still be effective?

 

[Cownan]

Hey Fellas not to hijack the thread but looking to hear your opinions.

I have some generic HCG produced in a Canadian lab and the expiry date is set for April 2017.

The HCG is unmixed and still in its sealed vial. I won't be using it until July 2017. You think the HCG will still be effective?

Should be fine man. Long as its not mixed (as you stated) youre good

 

[Hotrods12]

Lots of needle exchange's for intervenous drug users also carry needles for steroid users if u got the balls to walk into one of these places they will hook you up free , every major city in Canada has these agencies and all you gave to do is call they will tell you what sizes and everything no I. D required just initials and birthdate totally anymomous

The main purpose of the needle exchange program is to keep people from exchanging needles and spreading HIV or Hep C and mainly for those that cant pay for them. Lets be happy they have this program for people like that. Needles are cheap guys if you can buy steroids than you sure as fuck can go buy some. Just my rant for today

 

[Ackmud]

Ackmud, you're disagreeing with your own misinterpretation of what I said.

I didn't say you won't know your ancillaries are working if they're UGL, I was referring to the users who have no idea what to physically feel or experience from an AI or serm; those people are the ones who can be provided a placebo and not even know it. But, not have any negative sides or minimal sides during their run, so they assume it's good stuff.

If you trust your source, it's legit. Don't let anybody scare you with the pharma could be fake. Yea, it very well could be, although in my personal experiences most pharma/HG is often counterfeited instead bunk ( ie the blue hearts I use ), but considering my source for the Apotex is very well known, I'm confident it's real. Just very pricy for Nolva.

I'm using UGL products as we speak.

in all of my posts on this subject so far I haven't even speculated about HG being bunk, just UGL counterfeited to appear HG. I also think it has almost nothing to do with whether or not a source is trustworthy, especially where the canadian UGL is ordering the "HG" gear from the same overseas sources available to us, but perhaps at a discount since they're ordering in larger quantities and definitely adding markup since it's now passed customs. Many years ago a respected UGL (one of the few who has tens of pages of praise on CJM) told me (and other customers) that he had counterfeit HG gear which he bought unknowingly but is confident that they possess the actual ingredients but produced by an overseas UGL (ie counterfeit but he was being honest with us about it). He didn't realize this until the product arrived and some may not have realized it regardless. If it's Canadian HG gear then I'd say more likely it's real since it's probably easier for the Canadian UGL to verify it but overseas HG - how would your domestic UGL know that its not counterfeit (unless they personally know the overseas pharmacy it originates from).

The issue with counterfeit HG is that when you pay for HG you expect actual HG not UGL.

I have no dog in this debate, just sharing my opinion which I sorta feel strongly about since I've had no shortage of personal experience with it.