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The NFL already lets some players use them (and no, we're not referring to the gaps in its testing program you could drive a stretch Hummer through). Behind closed doors, the league's drug adviser, John Lombardo, has granted waivers to players who have failed drug tests but then explained their medical need for testosterone. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello won't disclose names or reveal how many players have been allowed to pump synthetic hormones into their bodies except to say it's "a very small number."

In each case, he says, testicular disease was the medical rationale. It's a little-used exemption to the league's drug policy, but it's a precedentsetting one: Any player who can show that replacing hormones is critical to his continued health should be allowed to take them.

PLAYERS WITH testicular disease are not the only ones in need. At the base of the brain, encased in a small, bony shell, is a pea-size gland called the pituitary, which secretes hormones that help regulate everything from mood to energy level. For years, the gland had been overlooked in discussions of head trauma. But in the late 1990s, UCLA neurosurgeon Daniel Kelly noticed that many of his head-injury patients suffered from symptoms associated with pituitary failure: depression, fatigue, anxiety, poor concentration. His findings, which he published in 2000, have led to at least eight studies on three continents, which together involved more than 600 subjects. Each study confirmed the link between traumatic brain injury (TBI) and a loss of hormonal function. The most common deficiencies in men were those of growth hormone, which occurred in 15% to 20% of cases, and of testosterone, in 10% to 15%.

Most of the subjects in these studies had suffered a moderate or severe TBI with some bleeding in the head during a car accident, a fall or some other nonsports-related activity. But, Kelly says, "if you look at the literature, there's a small but definite component of patients with milder head injuries who also lose hormonal function." One study, in Italy, found pituitary dysfunction in as many as 37.5% of patients with mild TBI, the same level of injury NFL players typically incur when they get dinged.
 
Here's one on boxing, just as your documentary or little episode reffered to.

Abstract TBI is one of the most important public health problems in the world. Although the relationship between TBI and hypopituitarism has been known for a long time, neuroendocrine changes were investigated in detail recently. The prevalence of neuroendocrine abnormalities in patients with TBI is very high. Gonadotropin and GH deficiencies appear to be the most common defects. Although combative sports are very popular around the world, trauma due to sports is not generally considered as a cause of TBI in most of the epidemiological studies. All the studies regarding TBI in sports published so far in the literature based on neuropshycological or radiological assessment and no neuroendocrine changes were investigated. In a recent study, pituitary functions in amateur boxers have been investigated and it has been reported that boxing is a cause of TBI and isolated GH deficiency is very common among amateur boxers. It seems that acute or chronic head trauma in sports is a possible cause of hypopituitarism. In this review, current data regarding TBI in sports are discussed.
 
Yup. I wonder if all of his training changes how his body metabolizes testosterone...We could start a new thread on this topic.

But as far as my situation goes, this video doesn't mean squat!

One important part of good medicine is combining signs and symptoms with blood results. How do yout think doctors performed their duties before all of this access to fancy laboratory diagnostics? SYMPTOMS. Does Byrd have any signs and symptoms of T deficiency? Absolutely not. Do I have signs and symptoms of a testosterone deficiency? YES!

Each man is different regarding what his body needs to function physically, emotionally, sexually, etc. One man's 950 is another's 325.

I think I'm having a HAN moment...BIOINDIVIDUALITY.

Bro that is the whole secret behind good modern medicine and what Dr's are not taking into consideration. Your put on a range from 250-1000 and if you fail in there you are "normal" Well what normal for one may be unhealthy for another that is why alot of these testosterone studies are not valid because the degree of bioindividuality is so high same as thyroid and cortisol levels. If a person is 700 and drops down to 500 testosterone from a basic cold they will feel it vs a person that is at 300 goes down to 200 will not. be affected as greatly. It all comes down to stress and learning how to react . Best piece of advice is why worry about it if it does not pertain to you LOL. We are worried about feeding people over in some 3rd world country when we should be focusing whats going on in our own. Why stress about situations you have no control over that what I do not get. Ok my ex put me deep in debt, but worry about it is not going to solve the problem and its not worth me jeopardizing my health over. I am doing the best I can and that all I can do for now, but I am not stressing over it because what going to happen is going to happen no matter if I stress or not.

when I have kids they are going to be taught how to shut their minds off so they can relax. Its called down time which not to many parent teach their kids. I think If we want to reduce stress related illnesss it needs to start at young age in the home..
 
If a person is 700 and drops down to 500 testosterone from a basic cold they will feel it vs a person that is at 300 goes down to 200 will not. be affected as greatly.

I would actually think it is the other way around. 500 -> 700 is a 28% drop whereas 300 -> 200 is a 33% drop. With this in mind, they would most likely feel the same, but I would argue that anybody at a TT of 200 will feel like dirt.
 
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Still hanging in there. Joints have healed enough that I have started some light weight lifting. Hopefully some exercise might help get the ol' HPTA axis cranking again.

Still dealing with some anxiety and depression but I think it is getting better. At least I'm out doing stuff again
 
Injected 100 mg T cyp 48 hours ago. I used a 1/2 inch 29 insulin needled to to the job. Load and inject time were slow.

My doctor has me on 100mg every 2 weeks. This is entirely inadequate and I am working on getting up to at least 100mg/week.

I can't really say that I feel dramatically better or different since the injection. I have a feeling that it will take time to undue the damage. Also, even 100mg/ week might not be enough of a dose for me.

For my fellow TRT recipients, how long did it take you to feel the effects of an injection? Or how long did it take for TRT to begin causing an effect?
 
Injected 100 mg T cyp 48 hours ago. I used a 1/2 inch 29 insulin needled to to the job. Load and inject time were slow.

My doctor has me on 100mg every 2 weeks. This is entirely inadequate and I am working on getting up to at least 100mg/week.

I can't really say that I feel dramatically better or different since the injection. I have a feeling that it will take time to undue the damage. Also, even 100mg/ week might not be enough of a dose for me.

For my fellow TRT recipients, how long did it take you to feel the effects of an injection? Or how long did it take for TRT to begin causing an effect?

WIthin two days for me.
 
The NFL already lets some players use them (and no, we're not referring to the gaps in its testing program you could drive a stretch Hummer through). Behind closed doors, the league's drug adviser, John Lombardo, has granted waivers to players who have failed drug tests but then explained their medical need for testosterone. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello won't disclose names or reveal how many players have been allowed to pump synthetic hormones into their bodies except to say it's "a very small number."

In each case, he says, testicular disease was the medical rationale. It's a little-used exemption to the league's drug policy, but it's a precedentsetting one: Any player who can show that replacing hormones is critical to his continued health should be allowed to take them.

PLAYERS WITH testicular disease are not the only ones in need. At the base of the brain, encased in a small, bony shell, is a pea-size gland called the pituitary, which secretes hormones that help regulate everything from mood to energy level. For years, the gland had been overlooked in discussions of head trauma. But in the late 1990s, UCLA neurosurgeon Daniel Kelly noticed that many of his head-injury patients suffered from symptoms associated with pituitary failure: depression, fatigue, anxiety, poor concentration. His findings, which he published in 2000, have led to at least eight studies on three continents, which together involved more than 600 subjects. Each study confirmed the link between traumatic brain injury (TBI) and a loss of hormonal function. The most common deficiencies in men were those of growth hormone, which occurred in 15% to 20% of cases, and of testosterone, in 10% to 15%.

Most of the subjects in these studies had suffered a moderate or severe TBI with some bleeding in the head during a car accident, a fall or some other nonsports-related activity. But, Kelly says, "if you look at the literature, there's a small but definite component of patients with milder head injuries who also lose hormonal function." One study, in Italy, found pituitary dysfunction in as many as 37.5% of patients with mild TBI, the same level of injury NFL players typically incur when they get dinged.

Interesting my doctor suspects my low test is from repeated head trauma during my 8 year stint on the O and Dline bashing skulls...hes also a moron tho
 
I can't really say that I feel dramatically better or different since the injection. I have a feeling that it will take time to undue the damage. Also, even 100mg/ week might not be enough of a dose for me.

For my fellow TRT recipients, how long did it take you to feel the effects of an injection? Or how long did it take for TRT to begin causing an effect?


I felt absolutely no different from an injection. Maybe a LITTLE more energy, but nothing else.

I waited and waited and waited for ANY sort of libido boost, but none came. I had NO libido. After 3 weeks (3 injections of 100mg each time) I called it quits.
 
This is getting off-topic for the thread, but it is an opportune time to address head trauma and hypogonadism. Head trauma is described in the literature associated with hypogonadism (see attachment). This makes sense when you think about the anatomy of the relationship between the hypothalamus and pituitary.
 

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I felt absolutely no different from an injection. Maybe a LITTLE more energy, but nothing else.

I waited and waited and waited for ANY sort of libido boost, but none came. I had NO libido. After 3 weeks (3 injections of 100mg each time) I called it quits.

Did you ever confirm via labs that the shots did indeed raise your levels into the high-normal range? 100mg is often not enough. Some people need up to 200mg/wk.
 
Did you ever confirm via labs that the shots did indeed raise your levels into the high-normal range? 100mg is often not enough. Some people need up to 200mg/wk.

Yeah my T was sky high. It was high normal.

I dont know why I had no libido. Maybe it was estradiol related. I don't know.
 
Yeah my T was sky high. It was high normal.

I dont know why I had no libido. Maybe it was estradiol related. I don't know.

Yeah it was, and the fact that you jumped from protocol to protocol without trying to make any of them work. Either way, you are fine now, so who cares?
 
This is getting off-topic for the thread, but it is an opportune time to address head trauma and hypogonadism. Head trauma is described in the literature associated with hypogonadism (see attachment). This makes sense when you think about the anatomy of the relationship between the hypothalamus and pituitary.

Exactly! Poor little pituitary out there on it's litle stalk. What I don't understand is why something so important protected deep within the brain would be so fragile and susceptible to damage.
 
Yeah it was, and the fact that you jumped from protocol to protocol without trying to make any of them work. Either way, you are fine now, so who cares?

How can you definitely say "yeah it was" ... it could have been a billion different reasons. The body is pretty complex.
 
How can you definitely say "yeah it was" ... it could have been a billion different reasons. The body is pretty complex.

You were sticking a bunch of hcg without an AI in your body, then testosterone. Your E2 was high, I guarantee it.
 
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