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If testosterone is truly your issue, HCG and/or T shots should work.

If its not the main cause, don't expect much. Speaking from experience...
 
CubbieBlue said:
Are you taking any AI with it?
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Using an AI for saftey measure is not good medicine practice..Just to throw it in there for good measure is not a swift plan like most HRT dr's do with out seeing where the body is.

I had people that have high e2 go on TRT and it comes back down again to normal ..
 
hardasnails1973 said:
Using an AI for saftey measure is not good medicine practice..Just to throw it in there for good measure is not a swift plan like most HRT dr's do with out seeing where the body is.

I had people that have high e2 go on TRT and it comes back down again to normal ..
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I agree, was just curious.

Yeah I said it, I agree with HAN.
 
I havee learned all the pit falls and trap of TRT and that makes it an advantage for patients because i have been through them already which allows for less likely set backs and excellerated recovery time which is our over all goal.
 
i'm sure the good Dr scally can come up with some clincal studies on osteomalcia and testosterone to answer that question MOB. GH also helps in bone formation as well.
 
growth hormone is more so involved in bone formation, not so much density as igf-1 is..
Endocrine Regulation of Skeletal Tissue
Several hormones are important regulators of bone mass and distribution
Growth regulators:
Growth Hormone: stimulates bone formation
IGF-1: stimulates bone formation
Gonadal Steroids: inhibit bone resorption
Leptin: inhibits bone formation
Calcium regulators:
Parathyroid hormone: stimulates formation & resorption
Calcitonin: permits formation
Vitamin D: stimulates resorption & allows formation


Growth Hormone-IGF-1 Axis Growth hormone induces the production of IGF-1 in various tissues including liver, heart, kidney, muscle & bone
n Note: Also IGF-II
n IGF-1 travels in the circulation bound to proteins (IGFBP’s); however, only free IGF-1 is biologically active
n Regulation complicated – 6 IGFBP’s, also IGFBP specific proteases
 
I actually think I may feel worse so far right after the hcg shot. Emotional and not in a good way. Could very well be my imagination, though, I am trying my hardest to not analyze how I feel. Gotta give this a chance.

4 weeks for HCG to raise T levels or to feel effects? One would think that T levels would go up the minute it gets in your bloodstream...
 
I completely disagree in my case. HCG raised me to mid 600's within one week and over 1000 after 1 and a half months.
 
Damn so I don't think I am imagining the effects of HCG so far. Tonight has really sucked. Been tearing up and really depressed and anxious. WTF!?!?

@ksuzach: how long did it take for you to feel the effects of HCG?
 
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Well, I was taking HMG along with my HCG, so that may have a pronounced effect, but I felt the effects beginning of week 3. Too bad it is having that affect on you, it made me feel great!
 
Started getting random wood in week two. Some may take longer to respond. I t probably just depends on the person.
 
HCG is not treating me well. I can feel yesterday's shot wearing off a little bit but god damn it sucks so bad right now. It has made me extremely hyper-emotional. It actually feels WORSE than low T. I spent this whole morning lying in bed barely able to move in the worst depression I think I have ever felt. The littlest things are making me cry.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that my estradiol is probably spiked and I am feeling it big time.

I just feel damn hopeless right now. If I were to go on T shots I would need HCG eventually, but I can't even fucking handle a shot of 250 iu HCG without feeling terrible. I am better off doing nothing than using HCG. What a fucking curse.

I'm about to say fuck all of this and just ride it out and hope my body figures it out sometime in the next few years. Or maybe I could try tamoxifen as a last-ditch attempt to convince my worthless HPTA to wake the hell up.
 
chemman said:
HCG is not treating me well. I can feel yesterday's shot wearing off a little bit but god damn it sucks so bad right now. It has made me extremely hyper-emotional. It actually feels WORSE than low T. I spent this whole morning lying in bed barely able to move in the worst depression I think I have ever felt. The littlest things are making me cry.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that my estradiol is probably spiked and I am feeling it big time.

I just feel damn hopeless right now. If I were to go on T shots I would need HCG eventually, but I can't even fucking handle a shot of 250 iu HCG without feeling terrible. I am better off doing nothing than using HCG. What a fucking curse.

I'm about to say fuck all of this and just ride it out and hope my body figures it out sometime in the next few years. Or maybe I could try tamoxifen as a last-ditch attempt to convince my worthless HPTA to wake the hell up.
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That sucks man

I know you were optimistic about the HCG

I'm not a doctor, but yeah. Maybe the best bet is to do nothing.
 
chemman said:
I just feel damn hopeless right now. If I were to go on T shots I would need HCG eventually, but I can't even fucking handle a shot of 250 iu HCG without feeling terrible. I am better off doing nothing than using HCG. What a fucking curse.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say.... maybe it's not ALL "T" related?

The reason I say that, i've tried every possible "T" treatment out there. I started with the patch. I tried the gel. I went on clomid. I tried HCG. I went to T shots.

My "T" came back normal after clomid. My "T" was probably fine on shots. But i still felt like shit.

Aside from a vitamin D deficiency, my thyroid and adrenals were fine.

I am confused as fuck as to why i lost my libido, and why getting my "T" up didn't make me feel better.

I've concluded there could be other issues at play.

Its frusterating as hell, and yes. I have that "hopeless" feeling sometimes too. I get excited about something like HCG or T shots, and then it doesn't help, and its a new low.

All I know, is that i've made the decision to stop everything (told the endo that, and he said ok) and let my body get back to its old "normal" ... which isn't great... but like you experienced with HCG, its better than some of the treatments available. I had the same effect with clomid.

I have low "T" yes. But i think the body is very complex, and solving the low "T" didn't solve everything.
 
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