Compounded Tirz has been vanquished. UGL likely next. Stock up.

Ghoul

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The following is my opinion as to what's just ahead of us in the UGL based drug landscape. It's based on my close observation of the political and business movements likely to affect this market. As with every opinion, feel free to take or discard my advice as you see fit.


Eli Lily has finally succeeded in putting a stake in the heart of compounded copies of their $1000/mo drug. With the amount of money on the line, expect them to turn their attention to Chinese knockoffs.

While Tirz (and all peptides/protein therapeutics except growth hormone) are not controlled substances, legal to purchase from many legitimate chemical suppliers, they are not legal to sell for human use.

One element in the upcoming De Minimus small package crackdown is a requirement that every product intended for consumer use is required to comply with all relevant regulations, including those from the FDA, and the seller must provide documentation proving it.

The TLDR is this requirement is sufficient for customs to stop the importation of pharma compounds being sent to individuals. Anyone who buys India pharma regularly knows the FDA can seize any med, regardless of whether it's a controlled substance or not. You can be sure that Eli and Novo are already lobbying hard to ensure these tools are employed in the new tightening customs regime.

Like all contraband in high demand, it'll still find a way in, but expect it to be much more expensive.

For those who rely on these meds, it would be wise to stock up while it's inexpensive and plentiful, to ride out any potential interruption in supply.

If you can get a prescription, even if your insurance doesn't cover it (and many more do now so it's worth rechecking), because once you drop below the qualification BMI, you'll never be able to get a prescrip. Once on it, you'll be able get "maintenance" prescription renewals even if you're normal weight.

You don't have to fill those prescriptions if you choose to keep using UGL, but it's a good backup in case you can't get UGL. Remember, these *hormones* are intended for indefinite use, and those coming off overwhelmingly return to baseline weight.
 
If you've been on PRESCRIPTION Tirzepatide and think you can abstain for 90 days, now is also probably a great time to get into one of the Phase 3 Reta/Tirz studies.

Be honest with the study authors and make sure you meet their requirements, but they will generally accept you as long as you've been off all GLP-1s for at least a quarter. Think of it as a roundabout way of securing your supply for the next 1-2 years.
Unless you are on placebo
 
That actually is pretty cool. I just couldn’t imagine getting into a trial and not getting the good stuff.

Agreed. They're not always common, but Lilly & Co. Are doing more studies with no placebo groups. Probably because these are phase 3 studies so they already know all of these substances will outperform placebo. No sense in paying for the costs associated with monitoring a placebo group if you can avoid it.
 
PSA: I am not sure if this information managed to circulate here, but there has been a bit of a scandal caused by an API manufacturer sending bunk products to at least one finisher who unknowingly passed it on to customers and the scam wasn't discovered until community members started performing tests.

Normally I'd be incredibly suspicious of the seller/finisher but instead of disappearing they are working to make things right and doing a very large and expensive reshipment. There hasn't been enough testing done to confirm whether or not the fake APIs circulated among other companies but it seems likely given that most are resellers.

It's a very difficult buying environment right now.

cc @Ghoul
 
PSA: I am not sure if this information managed to circulate here, but there has been a bit of a scandal caused by an API manufacturer sending bunk products to at least one finisher who unknowingly passed it on to customers and the scam wasn't discovered until community members started performing tests.

Normally I'd be incredibly suspicious of the seller/finisher but instead of disappearing they are working to make things right and doing a very large and expensive reshipment. There hasn't been enough testing done to confirm whether or not the fake APIs circulated among other companies but it seems likely given that most are resellers.

It's a very difficult buying environment right now.

cc @Ghoul

Name names brother.
 
PSA: I am not sure if this information managed to circulate here, but there has been a bit of a scandal caused by an API manufacturer sending bunk products to at least one finisher who unknowingly passed it on to customers and the scam wasn't discovered until community members started performing tests.

Normally I'd be incredibly suspicious of the seller/finisher but instead of disappearing they are working to make things right and doing a very large and expensive reshipment. There hasn't been enough testing done to confirm whether or not the fake APIs circulated among other companies but it seems likely given that most are resellers.

It's a very difficult buying environment right now.

cc @Ghoul
It’s several different vendors. Most (but not all) of the zero pep products can be identified by the “v” and the “i” in “vial” being oddly close together on product labeling.
 
Name names brother.

GYC is ground 0. They are providing regular updates on the status of products that may have been impacted. Last update was yesterday:

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We know a couple of peptide group buys were also impacted by they won't disclose their sources. It does sound like all of the companies/groups involved are going to make the situation right though.

This whole thing unraveled in part because someone noticed the labeling and vials were identical between multiple vendors. Current advice is to pay attention to how similar your kit is to one of the bad ones.

If you place an order for R10 from a different company but the vial cap is also black, that should raise some alarms for you. There were some other things people noticed (misspelling "Vail" on a lot of kits), but I can't remember all of the little things they picked up on.
 
GYC is ground 0. They are providing regular updates on the status of products that may have been impacted. Last update was yesterday:

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We know a couple of peptide group buys were also impacted by they won't disclose their sources. It does sound like all of the companies/groups involved are going to make the situation right though.

This whole thing unraveled in part because someone noticed the labeling and vials were identical between multiple vendors. Current advice is to pay attention to how similar your kit is to one of the bad ones.

If you place an order for R10 from a different company but the vial cap is also black, that should raise some alarms for you. There were some other things people noticed (misspelling "Vail" on a lot of kits), but I can't remember all of the little things they picked up on.
There’s multiple threads about this on Peppy’s if you’re trying to find more info. Quite a bit on other vendors involved.
 
I know, but I think GYC is the only one that has been confirmed via testing so far, right? Believe it or not I left almost all of the Peptide forums. This place is actually more helpful and less toxic.

Hey @noteablequotable :D Glad to see you here at Meso. Your post with the peptide situation's information is helpful and appreciated. Thank you for sharing about it with us.
 
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