Could I blast for 6months straight as a first cycle?

[Werewolf Piss]

Hey...Those are my week ZERO pics. Looked great by start of November. Back on crap diet. Shoring that back up now. Holidays killed me. I was eating entire apple pies at night from the pie plate. Felt best on 1050 Test prop/1050 Mast prop weekly shooting everyday...Start to get leg cramps at night with a lot of mast too long though. Using light anadrol now to hold muscle water.

I haven't cleaned that mirror yet. Maybe tomorrow

 

[TurboJet]

Hey...Those are my week ZERO pics. Looked great by start of November. Back on crap diet. Shoring that back up now. Holidays killed me. I was eating entire apple pies at night from the pie plate. Felt best on 1050 Test prop/1050 Mast prop weekly shooting everyday...Start to get leg cramps at night with a lot of mast too long though. Using light anadrol now to hold muscle water.

I haven't cleaned that mirror yet. Maybe tomorrow

So exactly the same accept with apple pie?

Hmmm never thought of an apple pie bulking program! Pie a day or more? How much slin you having to run too so I can get my protocol correct out the gate.

 

[Werewolf Piss]

So exactly the same accept with apple pie?

Hmmm never thought of an apple pie bulking program! Pie a day or more? How much slin you having to run too so I can get my protocol correct out the gate.

I dont touch any insulan affecting compounds

 

[Trenbolonetax]

I dont touch any insulan affecting compounds

Should probably touch a GLP1, respectfully

 

[SauceBoss]

Sure I blast n cruised for 4 years after my first go.. if your cool with being on trt for the rest of your life … it’s your life to live

 

[malfeasance]

Could I do 24-30weeks on low-moderate doses to milk out progress over a longer period of time?
I tought about starting Test and some other compound on top of it. I was thinking either S4 or Anavar. Which of these would be the safest to run for long and will give me decent results?
S4 would not impact my liver but could give me vision problems, Anavar would work well but would mess up my lipids and could cause more hair loss. I tought about HGH but at the moment it's a bit too expensive for me (less than 3IU x day seems useless as it would be only a replacement dose, I could affort 3-4IU but it would dig a hole in my wallet and MK677 is out of the question as I do not want to deal with the increased appetite)
I would have started with 200 Test x 8-10weeks, then 8-10weeks at 300 and 8-10weeks at 400, along some other compound (and an AI if my estrogen gets too high)
I also tought about AC262 as it seems to be a very mild and relatively safe SARM but I can't find a decent source for it.

So what did you decide? Has this thread been helpful?

 

[Luke391]

So what did you decide? Has this thread been helpful?

yeah I'll do 250test for 16 weeks, still I wasn't gonna start for another 4-6months, so I have time to think about it. Thank you

 

[Musclechick2024!]

I know you guys are probably right, I just don't undertsand what would be the issue of running for longer?

I would never do that long. Most newbies and veterans alike would never go that long for a reason. It’s not smart. Take the hint.

 

[Mick]

Once you start this shit your going to be "using" something forever. So fuck it. I started at 23 and have only been completely off like twice in my life for 8 month intervals. Im 37 now. Just start with a trt dose. Run that for four weeks or until you stop growing. Then bump it up 50-100mg every few weeks after that. When you get to around 500 mg per week stay there until you stop growing. Take a break, as in go back to trt, or trt plus (250mg a week) and hold. Then do it all over again and add a new compound. Take note of side effects etc, maybe you need an ai, maybe you dont. Over time with blood work so on and so fourth you will find what works for you. Never believed in coming all the way off, unless medically needed. For what? Your never the same once you shoot gear lmao. I do know this if I could go back I wouldn't run anything until I actually needed trt, like I said once you come to the darkside you more then likely will never go back. Make sure you think about that. Lord knows I didn't SMH. If your blood work is good why does the length of time matter? The amount means more then the length of time to me. 140 mg or less you can run for the rest of your life???

 

[Luke391]

Once you start this shit your going to be "using" something forever. So fuck it. I started at 23 and have only been completely off like twice in my life for 8 month intervals. Im 37 now. Just start with a trt dose. Run that for four weeks or until you stop growing. Then bump it up 50-100mg every few weeks after that. When you get to around 500 mg per week stay there until you stop growing. Take a break, as in go back to trt, or trt plus (250mg a week) and hold. Then do it all over again and add a new compound. Take note of side effects etc, maybe you need an ai, maybe you dont. Over time with blood work so on and so fourth you will find what works for you. Never believed in coming all the way off, unless medically needed. For what? Your never the same once you shoot gear lmao. I do know this if I could go back I wouldn't run anything until I actually needed trt, like I said once you come to the darkside you more then likely will never go back. Make sure you think about that. Lord knows I didn't SMH. If your blood work is good why does the length of time matter? The amount means more then the length of time to me. 140 mg or less you can run for the rest of your life???

yeah that was my tought process. I don't understand why I could not stay on a low-moderate dose for a long time as long as health markers are fine. Everyone on here just says "do your 500test for 12 weeks amd stfu bro" but why. 500test is a fuck ton to start with and 12 weeks is not that much time. That will just put me in a hormonal rollercoster that will result in a lot of side effects, I belive one would be much better off starting with a slightly superphisiological dose and bumping up is small increments once you plauteau, then only going back to trt when health markers start to be not ok. I know there is no going back so I don't get the "12 weeks then pct bro". 200mg a week of test for 24weeks will probably get way more muscle growth and way less side effects that 500test for 12 weeks. Most people on here just go off of old dogmatic ways of thinking because "that's what everybody always did". Just because it's what people always did doesn't mean it's the best way to go about it.
Guys on here run grams of AAS and insane amounts of gh for 12 weeks and think nothing of it but I suggest running 200-300test and 3-5mg of Ostarine for 6 months and they act like it's gonna kill me. I ask them why it would be a problem and none of them actually gave a reason, they all just shit on me and called me a dumbass but they all failed to provide an argument for their views on the matter.

 

[iris]

yeah that was my tought process. I don't understand why I could not stay on a low-moderate dose for a long time as long as health markers are fine. Everyone on here just says "do your 500test for 12 weeks amd stfu bro" but why. 500test is a fuck ton to start with and 12 weeks is not that much time. That will just put me in a hormonal rollercoster that will result in a lot of side effects, I belive one would be much better off starting with a slightly superphisiological dose and bumping up is small increments once you plauteau, then only going back to trt when health markers start to be not ok. I know there is no going back so I don't get the "12 weeks then pct bro". 200mg a week of test for 24weeks will probably get way more muscle growth and way less side effects that 500test for 12 weeks. Most people on here just go off of old dogmatic ways of thinking because "that's what everybody always did". Just because it's what people always did doesn't mean it's the best way to go about it.
Guys on here run grams of AAS and insane amounts of gh for 12 weeks and think nothing of it but I suggest running 200-300test and 3-5mg of Ostarine for 6 months and they act like it's gonna kill me. I ask them why it would be a problem and none of them actually gave a reason, they all just shit on me and called me a dumbass but they all failed to provide an argument for their views on the matter.

You have asked a question and people have answered according to their own experience.

If, however, you now know what will work best for you, just go and do it.
End of.

Back and forth with people you fundamentally disagree with and will pay not attention to is pointless.
According to you their thinking is obtuse, so do your thing, as per your own decision.

 

[malfeasance]

yeah that was my tought process. I don't understand why I could not stay on a low-moderate dose for a long time as long as health markers are fine. Everyone on here just says "do your 500test for 12 weeks amd stfu bro" but why. 500test is a fuck ton to start with and 12 weeks is not that much time. That will just put me in a hormonal rollercoster that will result in a lot of side effects, I belive one would be much better off starting with a slightly superphisiological dose and bumping up is small increments once you plauteau, then only going back to trt when health markers start to be not ok. I know there is no going back so I don't get the "12 weeks then pct bro". 200mg a week of test for 24weeks will probably get way more muscle growth and way less side effects that 500test for 12 weeks. Most people on here just go off of old dogmatic ways of thinking because "that's what everybody always did". Just because it's what people always did doesn't mean it's the best way to go about it.
Guys on here run grams of AAS and insane amounts of gh for 12 weeks and think nothing of it but I suggest running 200-300test and 3-5mg of Ostarine for 6 months and they act like it's gonna kill me. I ask them why it would be a problem and none of them actually gave a reason, they all just shit on me and called me a dumbass but they all failed to provide an argument for their views on the matter.

Once you start this shit your going to be "using" something forever. So fuck it. I started at 23 and have only been completely off like twice in my life for 8 month intervals. Im 37 now. Just start with a trt dose. Run that for four weeks or until you stop growing. Then bump it up 50-100mg every few weeks after that. When you get to around 500 mg per week stay there until you stop growing. Take a break, as in go back to trt, or trt plus (250mg a week) and hold. Then do it all over again and add a new compound. Take note of side effects etc, maybe you need an ai, maybe you dont. Over time with blood work so on and so fourth you will find what works for you. Never believed in coming all the way off, unless medically needed. For what? Your never the same once you shoot gear lmao. I do know this if I could go back I wouldn't run anything until I actually needed trt, like I said once you come to the darkside you more then likely will never go back. Make sure you think about that. Lord knows I didn't SMH. If your blood work is good why does the length of time matter? The amount means more then the length of time to me. 140 mg or less you can run for the rest of your life???

Well

 

[malfeasance]

Because at 23 you have no idea what you are ruining for life.

Some might want to have children later.

Some might not want the plaque added to their arteries that constantly being on will add, little by little, year after year after year

LVH, high hematocrit, constant dyslipidemia, all kinds of other issues.

Not to mention the constant use of AI drugs - which were never designed to be taken long term - they do other things

Six months is harder to recover from. Your testicles respond more quickly to shutdown if they are not shutdown for a long period of time.

Did you know that injecting 250 mg once already shuts down your balls? Not for very long, but it shuts them down.

If you tested your testosterone, you would discover it bottoms out well below your normal, natural level before your balls get the message to kick in and start producing again.

Over time, however, disused, they actually begin to atrophy. Over enough time it becomes very, very difficult to get them to function again.


SUMMARY

In case you do not know it, there are two major issues that affect your recovery from using testosterone. One is age and the other is duration.

Age is in your favor at 23.

Duration is in your control. You can make it in your favor or you can set it against you by running six months.


Your choice.


Your balls are just as shut down at 250mg as they would be at 1,000mg. No endogenous production of testosterone is needed by your body once it senses that level of testosterone, so your testes will not produce.


Age

Duration


You control only one of them. Exercise that control in your own favor. Change the odds so that you are on the good side of the odds.

Age and Duration of Testosterone Therapy Predict Time to Return of Sperm Count after hCG Therapy - PMC

To determine factors that influence sperm recovery after testosterone-associated infertility. Clinical retrospective study. Academic male-infertility urology clinic. Sixty-six men who presented with infertility after testosterone use. Testosterone ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov