Cyp/Tren/Primo Cut

[Deleted member 123722]

214 this am... Idk wtf is going on, but I'm losing way too fast, at least on the scale. And this is with 10ius of GH, so I should be holding more water.

I still feel like I've been hit by a truck, but I've been hitting this cut hard since Feb 21st, which could be the accumulating fatigue, rather than GH.


Just to give some measurements as well:

Arms: 17.25 and 17.5 (left arm); 18"
Calves: are at a pathetic 16"
Legs: 26"

 

[Deleted member 123722]

*18 inch pumped arms...not cold lol. I wish.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Forgot this one... Honestly, I think I look like shit lol. For how hard I train and push the gear, don't drink or do anything stupid, sometimes I question why I do any of this. There are people who don't even try that look 100x better. IDK what I'm doing wrong to be honest.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Just double-checked: arms not even 17.5 anymore, wow lol. 17 is left; 16.75 is right.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Forgot this one... Honestly, I think I look like shit lol. For how hard I train and push the gear, don't drink or do anything stupid, sometimes I question why I do any of this. There are people who don't even try that look 100x better. IDK what I'm doing wrong to be honest. View attachment 169687

Good progress but don’t forget this last phase will be the toughest one mentally .
Now you will see the painful truth that you have less muscle then you thought and you more than likely will be flat and your physique will look worse for some time but you have to push trough it .
Once you get diced and have definition everywhere you will create the illusion of size trough separation of the muscles.
I think you can create a physique you envy others have but it wont be easy like for an ectomorph but more rewarding in the end .
But to get there you need to cut down proper and revers diet after and bulk the right way without getting to fat so you are always around 10-12 precent no more.
So yeah it takes time but you are going in the right direction .

 

[amindzeye]

Just double-checked: arms not even 17.5 anymore, wow lol. 17 is left; 16.75 is right.

I appreciate you posting this. It puts me into perspective about being 5'6 with 16" arms(flexed).

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Good progress but don’t forget this last phase will be the toughest one mentally .
Now you will see the painful truth that you have less muscle then you thought and you more than likely will be flat and your physique will look worse for some time but you have to push trough it .
Once you get diced and have definition everywhere you will create the illusion of size trough separation of the muscles.
I think you can create a physique you envy others have but it wont be easy like for an ectomorph but more rewarding in the end .
But to get there you need to cut down proper and revers diet after and bulk the right way without getting to fat so you are always around 10-12 precent no more.
So yeah it takes time but you are going in the right direction .

Pete, go check out my latest thread on "BF percentage" to see my thoughts on what to do next.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I appreciate you posting this. It puts me into perspective about being 5'6 with 16" arms(flexed).

Yea, i had them at 17.5, but no longer

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Alright guys, I just spoke to my buddy Gabe, who is a coach. After discussing the situation with him, I will be closing this log today. I posted what he said in another thread, so I'm going to put it here in quotes.

I just spoke to my buddy Gabe.

He says I'm probably around 14-15 bf% because I have my hamstrings coming in, and that the majority of my fat is around my waste and lower back, which is indicative of estrogen... either way, he agrees that cutting phase is now over, and that I should continue running my cycle of gear, but use higher calories to drive new muscle growth because my body will be in "rebound" mode. He says this especially because I'm using 10ius of GH use. He also suggested to get on something that will help with insulin resistance, such as ALA or Berberine.

He wants me to up my protein to 275g and carbs to 500g on training days. He says that my body is indeed burnt out and wants to rebound; thus, I should use this opportunity to my advantage and add new muscle; if done correctly, and not with shit food, he said I may actually look bigger and leaner. Another three months of gear isn't going to kill me, however, he said it's time to drop the clen, but keep the t3 at a 25mcg maintenance dose.

As for as training, he said keep it the same, including 30mins of cardio; allow the food to drive new muscle growth, and not to add any more to my gear.

After this three-month rebounding period, to take off completely for a month and inject nothing. Then reassess when body is cleared out and ready to either bulk or cut again. But yea, it's basically too late now to keep going, without sacrificing more muscle or worse.

So I guess that's that then... problem solved by asking a coach.

 

[K1ngufk1ngs]

Yeah sounds like you got a great coach there. You are in great shape and the diet can definitely do amazing things. Keep it up man.

 

[BushLeague]

I think you've done awesome man. A few logs I've been following religiously including this. I'd hope you'd actually continue to use it for future cycles. A lot of good information here.
And you've mentioned body dismorphia in different words, but fuck we all have it. You've done well.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I think you've done awesome man. A few logs I've been following religiously including this. I'd hope you'd actually continue to use it for future cycles. A lot of good information here.
And you've mentioned body dismorphia in different words, but fuck we all have it. You've done well.

Thanks, I feel like I've failed to reach my goal, but its only because it would just take way too much more time and I've already pushed too far.

 

[WeightLossBurn]

Thanks, I feel like I've failed to reach my goal, but its only because it would just take way too much more time and I've already pushed too far.

Increase the honey bunches of oats with crispy almond to 140 grams.

Your welcome...

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Well, I can't say that I actually failed, but my expectations were too high, and I underestimated the amount of time it would take to get super ripped.

So I half-way failed, but I look much better now than I did when I started this.

But this is the end result....I bumped up my calories and I've filled up nice, while still remaining as lean as I was at my leanest. The key is to rebound and remain lean, in the next three months, which I spoke about in my "rebound log."

240lbs when I started this log on Feb 21 vs today, a day after I officially closed this log, July 23 at 217lbs. I lost 23-26lbs over five months, without sacrificing a single ounce of muscle.

All done while eating cereal

 

[Disarmer]

Great progress on this cut brother, really appreciate you sharing the highs and lows you went through on this journey. Looking forward to seeing the rebound lean bulk you start coming out of this.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Great progress on this cut brother, really appreciate you sharing the highs and lows you went through on this journey. Looking forward to seeing the rebound lean bulk you start coming out of this.

Thanks man. I really feel like a retard, with my second log not being the success I wanted it to be, but lesson learned.

 

[amindzeye]

Thanks man. I really feel like a retard, with my second log not being the success I wanted it to be, but lesson learned.

You're putting too much pressure on yourself. Your logs are still informative, and show progress, and inspirational.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I am too hard on myself, because I expect more.

 

[Blang]

Alright guys, I just spoke to my buddy Gabe, who is a coach. After discussing the situation with him, I will be closing this log today. I posted what he said in another thread, so I'm going to put it here in quotes.

I just spoke to my buddy Gabe.

He says I'm probably around 14-15 bf% because I have my hamstrings coming in, and that the majority of my fat is around my waste and lower back, which is indicative of estrogen... either way, he agrees that cutting phase is now over, and that I should continue running my cycle of gear, but use higher calories to drive new muscle growth because my body will be in "rebound" mode. He says this especially because I'm using 10ius of GH use. He also suggested to get on something that will help with insulin resistance, such as ALA or Berberine.

He wants me to up my protein to 275g and carbs to 500g on training days. He says that my body is indeed burnt out and wants to rebound; thus, I should use this opportunity to my advantage and add new muscle; if done correctly, and not with shit food, he said I may actually look bigger and leaner. Another three months of gear isn't going to kill me, however, he said it's time to drop the clen, but keep the t3 at a 25mcg maintenance dose.

As for as training, he said keep it the same, including 30mins of cardio; allow the food to drive new muscle growth, and not to add any more to my gear.

After this three-month rebounding period, to take off completely for a month and inject nothing. Then reassess when body is cleared out and ready to either bulk or cut again. But yea, it's basically too late now to keep going, without sacrificing more muscle or worse.

So I guess that's that then... problem solved by asking a coach.

Have to say, I don't really follow most of this logic, particularly ending this cut if you believe you're at 14-15%. Why not push down to 10-12%?

The bodyfat you're at now should be your new "ending a bulk" point, not your "ending the cut" point, IMO.

You're on wayyyy too many compounds at way too high of a BF to worry about losing much muscle mass right now. You just went flat and are freaking out at scale weight and feel like shit.

If you think your body needs a break from dieting, consider hitting a 2-4 week maintenance phase and then push on. I think you're in serious danger of trying to "rebound" from a too fat position and being back here in 3-4 months going "what happened, I'm fat again!!!".

I agree with dropping the T3 to 25, btw. In fact going as high as 50 this long might be a big part of your issue.

Just IMO of course. I've just seen guys make this mistake so many times, and am afraid you might be doing the same.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Have to say, I don't really follow most of this logic, particularly ending this cut if you believe you're at 14-15%. Why not push down to 10-12%?

The bodyfat you're at now should be your new "ending a bulk" point, not your "ending the cut" point, IMO.

You're on wayyyy too many compounds at way too high of a BF to worry about losing much muscle mass right now. You just went flat and are freaking out at scale weight and feel like shit.

If you think your body needs a break from dieting, consider hitting a 2-4 week maintenance phase and then push on. I think you're in serious danger of trying to "rebound" from a too fat position and being back here in 3-4 months going "what happened, I'm fat again!!!".

I agree with dropping the T3 to 25, btw. In fact going as high as 50 this long might be a big part of your issue.

Just IMO of course. I've just seen guys make this mistake so many times, and am afraid you might be doing the same.

You're probably right, but either way, I have to take a break, longer than I have before. I'm not afraid ot lose any muscle mass; in fact, I've lost none at all. But I do feel my body is tired of being in a deficit and cutting after five months of it.