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RockyP
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I've never had a problem with Deca or NPP, but I run bitch dosages, 150 / week for NPP, 200 / week for deca. I have used them both in bulking and cutting. At the low dosages I did not see any crazy water retention, just lots of fullness and strength. It might be good to have quality DHEA (50 - 100 mg) or DBol (5 mg) on hand in case you get some of the sexual side effects. To echo what others have said, i'd highly recommend going with NPP in case you need to bail. If you run deca for 8 weeks and don't like it, it's gonna be with you for another 60 days
xrayphoton13
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I think most would say to just use NPP but I much prefer the slowness of deca myself. NPP would set my nipples on fire the next day if my e2 wasn't right. With deca the slow rise gives my body time to adjust. I never have issues gyno issues on deca. Never experienced deca dick with high or low doses or with or without testosterone. If anything I'm hornier on deca
Eddie.
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I'd say if you want it purely for the anabolism go with NPP (if you're okay with pinning frequency) but if you have joint/tendon issues I'd suggest to gamble it and go with deca.
NPP at 175 didn't do anything regarding joint relief and I've heard from others that specific effect is more prominent with deca.
I have a couple vials of both NPP and deca and still wondering what to use. I'm all long esters from now on and the idea of daily or eod pinning due to NPP is not appealing at all. Maybe I'll start with 200-250 deca and later on if i want more then add some NPP on top of that.
I think if you have your e2 and prolactin in check you'll be fine. If anything goes wrong just accept it will suck for a while and move on. Most of the guys having issues with this or that i believe they have a not so good response with most (if not all) peds.
xrayphoton13
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I have both npp and deca too bc I wasn't sure which one I would like more. I use them both at the same time now until I run out of npp. I actually really like it that way. I'll dose deca once a week and NPP MWF.
What's the advantage of that protocol?
Tdeck81
Banned
Genuinely curious…are you using both just to exhaust an existing supply? I know some utilize both in the beginning of a cycle until the deca has enough time to “kick in”.
xrayphoton13
Member
Just to use up my NPP and not feel like I need to inject every day even though I think npp MWF is frequent enough my syringes are only 1cc so if I wanted to run 600mg I can do two less pins this way. My Deca is 300mg/ml and my NPP is only 100mg/ml. Deca seems to give more joint support
Tdeck81
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Going to see if I can find why just out of curiosity. I’ve heard multiple users claim the same. Thanks
Thanks for the reply, brother. I’ve already got Deca sitting on the shelf, but I’m tempted to grab some NPP too - gotta try the whole menu while the kitchen’s still open. Like you said, NPP sounds better purely for anabolism, but if Deca really has that edge for joints, maybe it’s worth the gamble. My body gets along with most gear except Tren, which turns me into an emotional soap opera even though I’m normally cold as ice.
I’m also a long ester guy, but for example with Mast E I still split it into three pins a week instead of two. Keeps the levels more stable and I feel smoother on it, but yeah, had to experiment to figure that one out.
Come September–October when I’m bulking, I’ll see whether I start with Deca or NPP. E2 and prolactin have always been in check, so hopefully it’s just pick one, pin it, and enjoy the ride and if it goes sideways, well… like you said, just accept it will suck for a while and move on.
I keep hearing that as well. Presumably it has something to do with the pharmacokinetics of the ester prodrug, because chemically, once cleaved, nandrolone ought to be nandrolone, right?
Tdeck81
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I’ll be the first to admit this is way above my pay grade, but that’s the puzzling part. I have not used nandrolone yet but picked up deca solely for the anecdotal joint relief comparison. At my age, and struggling with joint issues, I’m not looking to pile on a ton of additional body mass. But the potential for adding more synovial fluid to the joints with a low dose sounds to good to not give it a run.
xrayphoton13
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100mg per week seems to do it. I think maybe I could get away with 80mg a week but 50mg definitely wasn't enough for my knee/shoulder
Apparently you don't need much. 50-75mg/week is what one doctor said worked for him after a lifetime of BJJ and powerlifting and other stupid shit.
View: https://youtu.be/bU03p3bOBy4?t=2365
Bandern
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FWIW 150 npp/wk cleared up my cranky elbow almost immediately. I’m young and spry and it wasn’t debilitating, but it made a massive difference.
Moving forward likely run deca since I now know I respond well to Nandrolone. Mainly to cut down on injection volume but extra joint support can’t hurt.
Moving forward likely run deca since I now know I respond well to Nandrolone. Mainly to cut down on injection volume but extra joint support can’t hurt.
xrayphoton13
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My only issue with deca for joint support is the LVH issue. Is it safe to run year round for life at 100mg/week on top of trt+? I don't know so I still take breaks
Tdeck81
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The video touches on LVH a little, but this thread has a little more info. Personally I’m in the chronic pain category so it’s an easier decision on my end. I can’t imagine taking periodic breaks from the compound being a bad decision.
dinfar1337
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npp you will be peaking for 4 good hours out of the day.
you're right in the sense nandrolone is nandrolone. and you will still get all the effects of nandrolone using either deca or npp
npp is just instability and deca is stability effects of nandrolone.
deca is better for muscle growth, joint relief etc. the instability with npp is bad tho it grants less side effects for the weak ones but at the cost of anabolic and androgenic effect of stability.
deca trumps npp. use deca!
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Jesintn
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I seem to have gotten quite a few cysts on deca, esp higher dosing. start small like you mentioned and go up slowly
There's something like 2000+ human studies on Deca and I believe precisely zero of them show Deca causes LVH any more than other steroids do.
It seems all the Deca is extra bad for you fear mongering comes from rat dick muscle studies and fucking petri dish cells squirted with insanely high solutions of Deca which isn't exactly applicable to the real world. It's been used on medical patients for almost 70 years in hundreds of countries all over the planet.
You got guys like Robby Robinson who were using Deca non stop from the 70's until 2001 when he retired and came off everything and he's like 78 now and still yoked and healthy. Pretty much every golden era dude except the Mentzer brothers ran Deca for decades and nearly all of them made it to their 70's and 80's.
I really don't see Deca causing any harm at 100mg long term if you keep the total anabolic load similar to TRT. I'm cruising on 150 Deca / 60mg Test E right now and feel better than I felt on any amount of Test by itself from 100-250mg I've tried.
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