Disappointed with 1st cycle results

[Jason Tirre]

I'm curious. What was it that made you want to start a cycle with no test? all AAS will shut down your natural test production and it must be supplemented exogenously. Normally that should be one of the first things learned in your research before you begin cycling.

Not having it available. My friend got me deca and dbol from Mexico as my first stack. Guys at the gym we’re asking me what I was on and I didn’t even start gear yet but my matabolism sped up too fast and I started losing size. The deca and dbol put it on and then some

 

[Just Fish]

Honestly fish. I have plenty to choose from. I have a bunch of test and plenty of the derivatives. I’m starting off with deca and dbol and test prop. Then dropping the dbol after 4 weeks and then after week 6 dropping the deca. Week 8 prop is gone than for one month it will be mast and eq.then pct. I have everything I need Arim, letrozole, cab, hcg, clomid and novly. I’m shooting for 6 months of hgh. Working my way up to 5iu a day. I’m up for advice. If you think this stack is not good. Help me out. There is no exact measure to all of this. I’ll do 300-600mg of deca. 400-500 test prop. 30-40mg of dbol. Mast 200, eq 200-400. Im up for advice but how about easing up on the berating. Decent talk should be the norm not competing for the jerk of the year award. So how would you change this Fish and everyone else

The problem I had was with you running dbol/deca only. This cycle is so wrong I don't know where to start. You obviously need to do way more reasearch. 6 weeks of a long ester like deca or eq won't do much. You will be stopping them right when they are finally built up. Masteron at 200 per week won't do anything. Save the mast and eq for another cycle. Just do the dbol 4 weeks and the deca and test 12 weeks. You will need to run the test 2 extra weeks after last shot of deca because it will be in your system at least that long after. Are you going to pct?

 

[Jason Tirre]

The problem I had was with you running dbol/deca only. This cycle is so wrong I don't know where to start. You obviously need to do way more reasearch. 6 weeks of a long ester like deca or eq won't do much. You will be stopping them right when they are finally built up. Masteron at 200 per week won't do anything. Save the mast and eq for another cycle. Just do the dbol 4 weeks and the deca and test 12 weeks. You will need to run the test 2 extra weeks after last shot of deca because it will be in your system at least that long after. Are you going to pct?

Thank you JUST FISH. I appreciate your advice. How long should I PCt. I want to be off for one month and get back on. This time use the mast and the Eq. What do you recommend for the pct. have arim,nolvy, clomid, hcg. I now hcg is most important. Also what Dose do you recommend for the Eq and the mast. I also have primo, anavar and Winny.i want to lean down. So being the chubs I am now I want to eat clean and train for 1 month using supps and then start. What do you recommend??

 

[Just Fish]

Thank you JUST FISH. I appreciate your advice. How long should I PCt. I want to be off for one month and get back on. This time use the mast and the Eq. What do you recommend for the pct. have arim,nolvy, clomid, hcg. I now hcg is most important. Also what Dose do you recommend for the Eq and the mast. I also have primo, anavar and Winny.i want to lean down. So being the chubs I am now I want to eat clean and train for 1 month using supps and then start. What do you recommend??

I think you need to do more research. Work on your training and nutrition before you even bother running a cycle. Are you Jewish?

 

[Jason Tirre]

Jewish yes and no? A Jew unto God but a Mexican acent.

 

[Jason Tirre]

I know how to train and I know how to eat just fish. Stacking gear is a learning process

 

[Just Fish]

I know how to train and I know how to eat just fish. Stacking gear is a learning process

Then why are you an out of shape chubs

 

[Jason Tirre]

Are only Jews chubby and out of shape? Well, I believe not pct/ing the first time messed me up .It made me fatter than I naturally am. I’ve been in school for what I do for a good amount of time. Im married with a toddler and a baby on the way. I work nights man doing air conditioning for the studios, at paramount remember? Haven’t trained regularly in years but I want change my physique and see where I can get because I’ve been a fatty before and I leaned down and built muscle pretty decently. Life happens man. I’m probably 20-30% Body fat right now. I was 225 and I’m probably 218 now

 

[Just Fish]

Are only Jews chubby and out of shape? Well, I believe not pct/ing the first time messed me up .It made me fatter than I naturally am. I’ve been in school for what I do for a good amount of time. Im married with a toddler and a baby on the way. I work nights man doing air conditioning for the studios, at paramount remember? Haven’t trained regularly in years but I want change my physique and see where I can get because I’ve been a fatty before and I leaned down and built muscle pretty decently. Life happens man. I’m probably 20-30% Body fat right now. I was 225 and I’m probably 218 now

No, once Jews are given something they try to take advantage of the situation. Like I said do some research. You need to have at least a year or so lifting natural before you run gear. Especially since you have no clue how it shuts your natural production down. Get used to injecting because you are going to be doing it the rest of your life if you don't get your shit in order first

 

[Just Fish]

Are only Jews chubby and out of shape? Well, I believe not pct/ing the first time messed me up .It made me fatter than I naturally am. I’ve been in school for what I do for a good amount of time. Im married with a toddler and a baby on the way. I work nights man doing air conditioning for the studios, at paramount remember? Haven’t trained regularly in years but I want change my physique and see where I can get because I’ve been a fatty before and I leaned down and built muscle pretty decently. Life happens man. I’m probably 20-30% Body fat right now. I was 225 and I’m probably 218 now

You are a prime example of why steroids have become illegal

 

[Jason Tirre]

Get outta here. No I’m not. You need the Lord Jesus and the Spirit of the Lord therapy to change your demeanor. God can heal bitterness. I will show before and after pics God willing and you won’t be able to deny the progress but somehow just fish you’ll find a way to. Lol. God bless you. Good night

 

[Jason Tirre]

I’ll tell you what. Give yourself a current profile pic so we can see where your at now. That way I’ll know what I up against.

 

[HIGHRISK]

Get outta here. No I’m not. You need the Lord Jesus and the Spirit of the Lord therapy to change your demeanor. God can heal bitterness. I will show before and after pics God willing and you won’t be able to deny the progress but somehow just fish you’ll find a way to. Lol. God bless you. Good night

Progress or not I think you are misunderstanding @Just Fish comment. He's not saying it won't work and you won't get bigger.

 

[HIGHRISK]

How long should I PCt. I want to be off for one month and get back on.

want to eat clean and train for 1 month using supps and then start. What do you recommend??

Then your wondering why @Just Fish told you to do some more research? lol seriously do more research.

 

[Jason Tirre]

What’s wrong for being off for one month. Pct for a couple of weeks?

 

[Deleted member 59947]

No, once Jews are given something they try to take advantage of the situation. Like I said do some research. You need to have at least a year or so lifting natural before you run gear. Especially since you have no clue how it shuts your natural production down. Get used to injecting because you are going to be doing it the rest of your life if you don't get your shit in order first

Are seriously generalizing a behavior to a community that gathers millions of people?

 

[Jason Tirre]

No, once Jews are given something they try to take advantage of the situation. Like I said do some research. You need to have at least a year or so lifting natural before you run gear. Especially since you have no clue how it shuts your natural production down. Get used to injecting because you are going to be doing it the rest of your life if you don't get your shit in order first

I’ve told you before just fish. I started working out when I was 13. I have a foundation. You act like ive never touched a weight before. A year no man, a month. This isn’t my first rodeo.

 

[Jason Tirre]

I’ve told you before just fish. I started working out when I was 13. I have a foundation. You act like ive never touched a weight before. A year no man, a month. This isn’t my first rodeo.

Research I will

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Before I rip you for stupidity please give me an example of this cycle and pct you are referring too. With the exact timing of everything so I can explain how stupid it is. As was stated unless you are on Trt you should never run deca

Man a lot of people run deca withou being on trt !
I’ll give you an example
Deca 1-10
Test 1-12
13-14 wait for waters to clear then pct

 

[staynattybruh]

What’s wrong for being off for one month. Pct for a couple of weeks?

Are you serious ? Do you think after 10-12 weeks of blasting drugs, taking 4 weeks for pct will level you back out? You must of gotten all your info from some gym juicehead.