Dnp gave me cataracts at the age of 22

[redbeard99]

listen, im not being a bitch or scaremonger but i feel i need to tell my story. i am not blaming anyone but myself. i have used dnp over and over many times. it is the best fat burner in the world, it works MIRACLES. i never once thought i would have long term issues. i pushed doses sometimes over 1000 mg a day, sometimes 6 caps a day. i stopped my last cycle about a month ago and about a week after stopping i noticed lights were a little brighter than usual and things in the distance were appearing blurry. i knew something was wrong with my eyes (i have always had 100% perfect vision) but did not even THINK that dnp could be the culprit. i went to eye doctor and after doing tests for a while she told me i had cataracts in both eyes, my left worse than the right. i am only 22 for the record with no family history of cataracts or eye issues. IMMEDIATELY i remembered reading that cataracts was a possible issue if using dnp. i was terrified, absolutely mortified, i still am scared considering i just found all this out last week. i have surgery next month and all should be okay after that. if u want to use DNP just know, yes it works 100% unreal, the best there is for burning fat, but sometimes, especially in this case, if u want unbelievable results, they are not free.

 

[loveyourbody]

True but I will never touch it again even at 250mg a day after day too is was super dehydrated. What got me to stay way beside having to get emergence IV liquid was the fact that I took a shit and there was blood in it. I dot know about you guys but once I am shitting blood I call game over haha

 

[fatfatfatfat]

True but I will never touch it again even at 250mg a day after day too is was super dehydrated. What got me to stay way beside having to get emergence IV liquid was the fact that I took a shit and there was blood in it. I dot know about you guys but once I am shitting blood I call game over haha

Maybe you should bloody hydrate yourself then? Did you do proper research before taking dnp or did you just land your hands on some and looked up a quick dosing recommendation? Proper protocol needs to be followed when jumping into something like this. One of the most important rules on a DNP cycle is to drink 1-2 gallons of water ED even if you are not thirsty. People like you give the drug a bad rap.

 

[noah_k]

Whoa now, don't just join the board to start insulting old members as if it's so obvious that DNP is actually a safe drug. It has a bad rep because it's a potentially carcinogenic phenol with immense and serious side effects. Some run it with great success and no problems, some choose to stay away entirely, but don't pretend they are "stupid" for not doing it just because you do.

 

[fatfatfatfat]

Whoa now, don't just join the board to start insulting old members as if it's so obvious that DNP is actually a safe drug. It has a bad rep because it's a potentially carcinogenic phenol with immense and serious side effects. Some run it with great success and no problems, some choose to stay away entirely, but don't pretend they are "stupid" for not doing it just because you do.

It's not a personal insult. I'm being critical of his/her use of a powerful substance that becomes dangerous in the face of such carelessness. The only way dnp would cause life threatening dehydration is if you don't drink enough. That is rule #2 of DNP use only after "For the love of god don't megadose this stuff". The above poster obviously missed that bit and this is what contributes to the sentiments that DNP can't be run safely even with the proper precautions.


For the record, I would argue that DNP is very safe if you use it intelligently. Your idea that DNP is a possible carinogenic is dead wrong and the part about the immense and serious side effects only apply to stupidly high doses or occur at very small rates. There are some stickies on this very site that are worth looking at.

 

[RagingWilly]

It's not a personal insult. I'm being critical of his/her use of a powerful substance that becomes dangerous in the face of such carelessness. The only way dnp would cause life threatening dehydration is if you don't drink enough. That is rule #2 of DNP use only after "For the love of god don't megadose this stuff". The above poster obviously missed that bit and this is what contributes to the sentiments that DNP can't be run safely even with the proper precautions.


For the record, I would argue that DNP is very safe if you use it intelligently. Your idea that DNP is a possible carinogenic is dead wrong and the part about the immense and serious side effects only apply to stupidly high doses or occur at very small rates. There are some stickies on this very site that are worth looking at.

Well...i dont know what DNP you've tried, but when your body is at a constant 102 degree fever when dosing 1 cap a day for 14 days @ 250mg.... I would have to respectfully disagree when you say it's "very safe."

I did my research, I know the protocol with DNP. . yet i will never touch that shit again.

There is nothing "very safe" about your body burning from the inside out, I'm sorry.

-Willy

 

[fatfatfatfat]

Well...i dont know what DNP you've tried, but when your body is at a constant 102 degree fever when dosing 1 cap a day for 14 days @ 250mg.... I would have to respectfully disagree when you say it's "very safe."

I did my research, I know the protocol with DNP. . yet i will never touch that shit again.

There is nothing "very safe" about your body burning from the inside out, I'm sorry.

-Willy

Willy

It's unfortunate you had a bad experience but that is a very atypical reaction at 250mg a day. Did you take this stuff outside of winter? low ambient temperature is very important for dnp use. If I hit 102F I would discontinue use immediately. That is not normal at all (even with higher dnp doses).

 

[loveyourbody]

Fatfatfatfat- I was drinking 2-3 gallons of water a day plus Gatorade and v8 to help out I followed all the rules I still ended in the hospital. No matter what people say it's not a safe drug. I mean come on bud it used to make dynamite and paint if I remember correctly. It was one of the worst decisions of my life to try that shit.

 

[Mike Oxbig]

That is not normal at all (even with higher dnp doses).

The uncoupling of oxidative phosphorylation causes a great deal of heat, which is the cause of fatal overdoses.

 

[fatfatfatfat]

Fatfatfatfat- I was drinking 2-3 gallons of water a day plus Gatorade and v8 to help out I followed all the rules I still ended in the hospital. No matter what people say it's not a safe drug. I mean come on bud it used to make dynamite and paint if I remember correctly. It was one of the worst decisions of my life to try that shit.

Ok but your story doesn't really add up. You say after two days at 250mg you became dehydrated to the point you required hospitilization while drinking 2-3 gallons of water a day with gatorade and V8. I've never seen/heard of such a reaction. DNP takes a few days to build up in your system and it's really strange what you described. However it is possible if you are a smaller dude like you mentioned. This doesnt mean you have to trash DNP altogether just use a lower dose. The other practical uses of DNP are not relevant to its effectiveness as a dieting drug. The dose makes the poison.

The uncoupling of oxidative phosphorylation causes a great deal of heat, which is the cause of fatal overdoses.

102 F internal temp is not healthy on any DNP dose. Your body is not radiating heat efficiently at that temp and should probably jump into an ice tub or go to the hospital.

 

[biggerben69]

I've got to say that I not only agree with fatfatfat but I've been pro DNP since the 90's before the DEA put it on its list of watched chemicals. I don't talk much about it any more, There are always going to people that demonize dnp as they do aas. pornography, and extra large soft drinks in NYC.
I'd also like to ask the OP how she came about picking her handle. Strange for a young lady? We are discussing a female blaming dinitrophenol for her optical issues, aren't we? The issues with cataracts were, for some reason, reserved for women. All you guys are aware of this? That's why it was yanked from shelves back in the 30's. There was mention of a rare type of blood poisoning but that was so much of a reach you won't read about that.
No cataract issues or cased have been connected to men using DNP. If he can prove it, then he'll be the first case, There is a large population of transgendered folks and I believe this too, would need to be addressed. If the OP was born a man and through the modern miracles/blaspheme of modern medicine etc became a member of the fairer sex the number of cases will still be nil.
Used responsibly DNP is hands down the best fat burner and #1 far and away as far as recomp goes. Much faster and less expensive than gh and likewise compared to tren. 48hrs after pissing the dnp out you'll see shadows you've never see before and you'll have held your lean mass.

 

[Mike Oxbig]

I've got to say that I not only agree with fatfatfat but I've been pro DNP since the 90's before the DEA put it on its list of watched chemicals. I don't talk much about it any more, There are always going to people that demonize dnp as they do aas. pornography, and extra large soft drinks in NYC.
I'd also like to ask the OP how she came about picking her handle. Strange for a young lady? We are discussing a female blaming dinitrophenol for her optical issues, aren't we? The issues with cataracts were, for some reason, reserved for women. All you guys are aware of this? That's why it was yanked from shelves back in the 30's. There was mention of a rare type of blood poisoning but that was so much of a reach you won't read about that.
No cataract issues or cased have been connected to men using DNP. If he can prove it, then he'll be the first case, There is a large population of transgendered folks and I believe this too, would need to be addressed. If the OP was born a man and through the modern miracles/blaspheme of modern medicine etc became a member of the fairer sex the number of cases will still be nil.
Used responsibly DNP is hands down the best fat burner and #1 far and away as far as recomp goes. Much faster and less expensive than gh and likewise compared to tren. 48hrs after pissing the dnp out you'll see shadows you've never see before and you'll have held your lean mass.

Cataracts are more prevalent among females but they are NOT the sole gender than can get them. Beezil had cataracts, during my DNP research I also stumbled upon a few other postings regarding males that developed them as well.

 

[fatfatfatfat]

Cataracts are more prevalent among females but they are NOT the sole gender than can get them. Beezil had cataracts, during my DNP research I also stumbled upon a few other postings regarding males that developed them as well.

To be fair OP was playing with fire...doses over 1G...I'm not sure what Beezil's intake was like.





By the way @loveyourbody I read your DNP log. There is no reason to adjust the dosing like you did

Day-3
Took one 250mg
Feel slightly hotter, a few more random hot flashes, and a mild headache

then

Day 4
Took 500mg 1 in the morning and one around 3pm
Did intense cardio at the gym for an hour then went into the stem room. After being in for about 3min felt so hot that I had to get out and get into freezing cold water and even then still felt super hot.
2 gallons

Day 5
I took 500mg once I gain split am and pm
No cardio, just went to work and went straight home took the pills with no food and had only 1 cup of water did not feel dehydrated. Had felt hot, headache, like vomiting, and stomach pain.
1-2cups of water

at your height on first dnp cycle there was really no reason to ramp the dose up on your 4th day if you were feeling crappy on half of that (not to mention intense cardio and a trip to the steam room). That is around when the DNP has built up in your system and you really start to feel the effects... And it looks like on your first run (the one that involved a hospital visit) you were not getting in enough electrolytes. It is not sufficient to just drink a lot of water. You need to replenish sodium, potassium etc as well (this means taking in A LOT of these not what you normally need off DNP) or you will run into major bodily function problems from sweating all day. I think you can still have success on a 3-4 week cycle @ 250mg with plenty of electrolyte supplementation, Vit E,C (possibly NAC as well) with decent diet but its understandable if you dont want to go this route again.

 

[Mike Oxbig]

Another aspect to consider is that DNP has been lethal at doses of 20mg/kg, so 1600 mg could potentially kill someone 180 lbs.

It's not unheard of for sources of black market drugs to overdose them in hopes of building a reputation, especially new sources. So if your DNP is double dosed and someone 180 lbs takes 1 gram(a relatively high dose, but one that is very commonly taken) you could be up shit creek without a paddle.

Ignoring the awful sides and risk cataracts, the therapeutic doses and LD50 doses are WAY too close for comfort. Even moreso when you're getting it off the black market and have no idea what the fuck you have.

 

[loveyourbody]

Fatfatfat- actually no my friend I went to the hospital after if I remember correctly day 13. No matter how much water I drank I still could not stay hydrated. Plus for a few days after the doctor I had the worst nerve pain in my hands and feet I could have ever imagined.

BB69- I respect you view on DNP I myself wouldn't do it ever again. But, like I have always said everyone reacts different

 

[Dr JIM]

Look the drug was removed from the market because of the BAD WRAP it EARNED rather than discredited by a few disgruntled Meso members, and nothing less!
(And fatboy your suggestion to the contrary is patently absurd)

Moreover the therapeutic window is just to damn narrow (based on EVIDENCE) and the weight loss absolutely unpredictable (based on EVIDENCE) to justify using DNP for medicinal or any other purpose, (based on EVIDENCE)

Hey is this "protocol" you keep referring to evidence, based HELL NO!

Why of course not Jim but rather me and a few other blinded mates concocted it while suffering hyponatremic delusions while using DNP, lol!

Anyone whom doesn't believe DNP was/is CLEARLY associated with PREMATURE CATARACT formation should simply google DNP/CATARACTS/ ARTICLES.

Shit this crap was the LEADING CAUSE of cataracts (even ahead of diabetes) in its era and MO is absolutely ON SPOT!!!

JIM

 

[Virion]

higher dosage=more risk of side effects especially with this drug...btw, did anyone else's cum turn yellow when they took it?

 

[BBC3]

It FIRST Strikes me that "hydration" is a RELATIVE principle.

It SECOND Strikes me that DNP was once compared to RAT POISON (looks like I arrived at the right time in 2007).

It THIRD Strikes me that WHY IN THE FUCK would ANYONE short of a world class BB is HIGH STAKES competition engage in a TEMPORARY SOLUTION to a LONG TERM IMPLICATION...!!!\

@ The OP - Thank you for the thread. You are valued clearly. This is also a REASON/POINT that MILLARD's Efforts are NOT IN VAIN...!

** And while there may be some RHETORIC as to DNP's ability to permanently remove adipose tissue. This is a normal part of life, and the one which will KEEP you alive in hard times. Is it all that worth it... I know I'd hate to be some young "balls out fuker" just trying to get ahead and not have this information.... I EASILY COULD HAVE BEEN..!

On your surgery. I wish you all the best and you should have a fine prognosis. Good luck in future and best thoughts for all endeavors to come....!

 

[fatfatfatfat]

Ignoring the awful sides and risk cataracts, the therapeutic doses and LD50 doses are WAY too close for comfort. Even moreso when you're getting it off the black market and have no idea what the fuck you have.

The funny thing is, all these 'awful concerns' you have over the saftey of DNP also apply to steroid use. You guys are really reacting like the general public does to AAS. "You can never know what you are getting off the black market" A little hypocritical don't you think? Plus you don't just get a random supplier and take 1G of DNP. People that do that are asking for a dirt nap. I agree that DNP is extremely dangerous if you are stupid about using it. There is some risk to everything in life but that risk is very minimal if you use DNP intelligently (no more risk than using AAS imo). Using DNP intelligently also encompasses being smart about suppliers.


Loveyourbody, take a look at this chart to see why doubling your DNP dose after your 3rd day is a bad idea.

 

[fatfatfatfat]

Moreover the therapeutic window is just to damn narrow (based on EVIDENCE) and the weight loss absolutely unpredictable (based on EVIDENCE) to justify using DNP for medicinal or any other purpose, (based on EVIDENCE)

I disagree Dr. Jim.

DNP was used extensively in*diet pills*from 1933 to 1938 after Cutting and Tainter at Stanford University made their first report on the drug's ability to greatly increase metabolic rate.[3][4]*After only its first year on the market Tainter estimated that probably at least 100,000 persons had been treated with DNP in the United States, in addition to many others abroad

here is chart of dnp related deaths by decade below...Do you know how many people die from aspirin every year Jim?

PubMed Central, Fig. 1: J Med Toxicol. 2011 September; 7(3): 205–212. Published online 2011 July 8. doi:

Secondly, weight loss is not “unpredictable”. It's been shown very consistently to cause a rise in metabolic rate.

exposure to 1 mg/kg/day for?6 days resulted in an increase in basal metabolic rate of 12% (but this conclusion of the author is not
readily verified by analysis of the figure displaying the data), single or repeated doses of 2 mg/kg/day
resulted in increases of 25% to 27%, and repeated doses of 3 mg/kg/day in an obese patient with
severe hypothyroidism (myxedema) resulted in increases of 35 to 42% (Dunlop 1934).

here is a chart for visual aid

This is only confirmed by the thousands of people that use DNP effectively each year and stills deaths are a very rare occurrence.

 

[fatfatfatfat]

and with regard to DNP and cataracts, this is why Vit C,E and NAC supplementation is highly advised

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcarnosine]Acetylcarnosine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] have a read (NAC)