DNP Log - 34 Year Old Female

[Osmanthus]

In searching for completed DNP logs written by females, I came up with very few. Not that it was necessary, but it would've been nice for comparison. So, I'm starting my DNP journal now in case anyone else scours the boards for DNP results in women.

If you are a woman and you are reading this on or shortly after 04/29/09, it will not be completed for 5 weeks - so check back! Please understand that while I will be listing my weight every day, that is not an accurate reflection of the "magic" that the DNP is performing (due to water retention).


So, I started my cycle today and it will last for approximately 5 weeks.

CURRENT STATS

142 pounds
Chest - 34 in.
Waist - 29 in.
Hips - 34 in.
Quads - 19 in

Though I understand that any fat loss attributed to the use of DNP may not show up for a week after the end of the cycle, I will post my weight daily so that anyone reading this might get an idea of how one's scale weight can fluctuate.

I will post befores and afters at the end of the cycle.

DIET
Diet will be what some people call a "clean" diet. (Whatever.) I'll be eating lean protein, a fat and a carb at every meal. I toyed with the idea of a keto/low-carb diet, but after reading everything that was available to me, I've decided to to keep my normal balance. Unsure as to macro percentages at this point, although I will keep my protein at 1g per pound of bodyweight. (I was confused as to whether the protein should be 1g per pound of LBM or 1g per pound of TOTAL bodyweight. I gathered some opinions and it seemed that I should go the 1g per pound of TOTAL bodyweight. If anyone else has an opinion on that, I'd like to hear it.

Supplements
In addition to my normal multi-vitamins, Reservitrol (probably not necessary, but I was given two bottles of it.) and fish oil, I will be taking 2g of Taurine per day. Luteine and L-Carnitine are a possibility, because I have them in the house. Still unsure if I want to add more pills to the arsenal. I will not be taking an ECA stack. (I can't.)

DOSE
I will be taking 2 100 mg caps of powder per day for the first ten days. After that, I may bump it up to 300 per day if I feel the need. (It's a huge possibility that I'll stay at 200 for the duration, though.) The DNP came from a reputable source and I am confident that the caps are properly dosed. I haven't been on this board long enough to have gotten to "know" anyone, so please do not ask me for sources in this thread. Not trying to bogart the DNP. I'm just a little cautious.

PRECAUTIONS

I have digital thermometers by my bed, by the phone, in my desk at my office and in my purse. I'll be checking my temp regularly.

I will not drink alcohol while taking DNP.

I don't take "fun" drugs, so no worries about that, either.

I will not get antsy and think I'll do better at doses higher than 300.

I will stay hydrated (but not water-toxed).

I understand that there is some controversy regarding the "frying of my eggs" with the use of DNP. I'm not concerned about this because I am not having children. If you are a female of child-bearing age and potential and considering using DNP, please look into this issue further. I doubt seriously that it "fries" your eggs - however, the introduction of an unecessary drug/chemical compound while you're developing a midget in your womb might not be the brightest of ideas. (Just my opinion. . .nothing based in fact.)

A friend of mine (opthamologist) checked my eyes last week and will check them again mid-cycle and again at the end of the cycle. I'm probably being overly cautious, but I'd like all bases covered.

If anyone has any comments, ideas or thoughts on the above, please feel free to post them.

Thanks!
Os

 

[Osmanthus]

I have used DNP many times. 2-4lbs a week is very, very realistic. Last year. I took 46lbs off in 14 weeks, doing 5 days of 7 off. Why would you even use it for such low loss? You can do that with diet and cardio. Just my 2 cents. Good luck though.
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By the way, I only do 200mg a day to when I use it.

Cardio and diet?!?!?! NO! I never thought of that. [)] (Sarcasm.) I lift 4 days a week, I do HIIT cardio twice a week. Longer, more sustained cardio twice a week. I eat about as clean as one can eat 6 days a week. One day a week, I have a cheat meal. And I mean a cheat MEAL. . .not a cheat "day." A cheat meal. I've eaten less this past week, though, because the heat has me in a state of complete and utter non-hunger. I did eat one hell of an omelette this morning, though. Eggs, peppers (cooked WELL, not all crunchy and hard), onions, ham. Mmmmm. Fat cup of coffee, cup of V8, a few FAT strawberries. . .wow. Now I'm hungry! LOL!

Alos, I don't consider 10 pounds a low loss. I've either tangled myself into the longest, most unbreakable plateau ever known to man, or I'm just supposed to be 10 pounds heavier than I want to be.

It's interesting that you only use 200 lbs a day, but had much bigger losses than your wife. Why do you think that is? How often have you seen that effect in women?

I'm thinking that 200 is my limit. Thursday, I was supposed to experiment with going up to 300, but I'm not so sure that it's necessary, nor am I sure that it will pan out. We'll see. Frankly, it's not really the sides that bother me. I'm not having a bad time. I'm getting rather used to it and I actually feel great most of the time. My workouts are slowing, because I'm getting a little winded. But I'm still lifting relatively heavy and having at it.

You ran for 14 weeks. That's really interesting to me! Why did you run 5 on / 2 off? What was the reasoning behind that? (Sorry if I'm prying. I just find this whole subject really fascinating. )

 

[ericraven2003]

Cardio and diet?!?!?! NO! I never thought of that. [)] (Sarcasm.) I lift 4 days a week, I do HIIT cardio twice a week. Longer, more sustained cardio twice a week. I eat about as clean as one can eat 6 days a week. One day a week, I have a cheat meal. And I mean a cheat MEAL. . .not a cheat "day." A cheat meal. I've eaten less this past week, though, because the heat has me in a state of complete and utter non-hunger. I did eat one hell of an omelette this morning, though. Eggs, peppers (cooked WELL, not all crunchy and hard), onions, ham. Mmmmm. Fat cup of coffee, cup of V8, a few FAT strawberries. . .wow. Now I'm hungry! LOL!

Alos, I don't consider 10 pounds a low loss. I've either tangled myself into the longest, most unbreakable plateau ever known to man, or I'm just supposed to be 10 pounds heavier than I want to be.

It's interesting that you only use 200 lbs a day, but had much bigger losses than your wife. Why do you think that is? How often have you seen that effect in women?

I'm thinking that 200 is my limit. Thursday, I was supposed to experiment with going up to 300, but I'm not so sure that it's necessary, nor am I sure that it will pan out. We'll see. Frankly, it's not really the sides that bother me. I'm not having a bad time. I'm getting rather used to it and I actually feel great most of the time. My workouts are slowing, because I'm getting a little winded. But I'm still lifting relatively heavy and having at it.

You ran for 14 weeks. That's really interesting to me! Why did you run 5 on / 2 off? What was the reasoning behind that? (Sorry if I'm prying. I just find this whole subject really fascinating. )

I tried larger doses but didn't seem to need to go higher to get same results. All I got at higher doses was misery. My wife was eating well,using the same DNP I did, and working out. I dont get it either. Now I just put her on some GH a few weeks ago, and she has actually lost 5lbs already on it and loves the way she feels. Bonus for me her sex drive is up too.lol

The reason I did the 5 on 2 off was that I had so much weight to loose(I went from a 40" wasit to a 31" one), that I knew I would not be able to tolerate such long periods with out breaking it up. I also used gh while on it. I commend you for staying on it. I have a love/hate relationship with DNP.

 

[Osmanthus]

I tried larger doses but didn't seem to need to go higher to get same results. All I got at higher doses was misery. My wife was eating well,using the same DNP I did, and working out. I dont get it either. Now I just put her on some GH a few weeks ago, and she has actually lost 5lbs already on it and loves the way she feels. Bonus for me her sex drive is up too.lol

The reason I did the 5 on 2 off was that I had so much weight to loose(I went from a 40" wasit to a 31" one), that I knew I would not be able to tolerate such long periods with out breaking it up. I also used gh while on it. I commend you for staying on it. I have a love/hate relationship with DNP.

Yeah. That's good to hear! Most of Conciliator's posts seemed to advocate longer, lower doses. I have a friend that is guiding me through this, and his thoughts run right along the same lines as Conc - but I tell you, it was reassuring to read the information that's been put out there.

Oh! And I *am* looking out for my eyes. I had them checked before by an optho friend of mine (who is informed of what I'm doing), I'll have them once at the end of the third week and after the cycle is finished. He's cool like that.

I'm going to have pics up when this is all done and over with. I'll be blurring the face out, buuut, you'll see most of the rest. LOL.

 

[Osmanthus]

Nothing new to report other than last night, I didn't take the benadryl, still slept like a rock, woke with no rash!

Two more days and (cross your fingers), two more pounds should be gone. I'll let you know on Wednesday.

The original plan was for 5 weeks. I'm wondering if I could stretch this out for 6 without a break. Any opinions on that?

Sides are still meh. I only feel slightly warm throughout the day. My temp bounces from 97.9 to 98.4, I AM starting to feel a little more tired and a little more winded. . . but nothing to really complain about at all.

 

[Osmanthus]

Well, tomorrow will mark two weeks - but I'm a little nervous getting on the scale.

Here's something men don't have to contend with: PMS.

I'm one week prior to the Red Tide and it's the toughest time of my month. Once it starts, I'm fine. But the week prior? I turn into a bloated, short-tempered, HUNGRY, voracious BITCH.

As of right now, I am STARVING. My stomach is roaring for food. I'm irritable and the carb cravings are overwhelming. I've got half a mind to go gobble down some cookies just to "turn on the heat," so to speak, so that I suffer, sweating as punishment for the indulgence.

Psychologically, I will HAVE to be careful this week. I will really have to be strict regarding my food, stay off of the scale (because even without the DNP, I retain water like a camel during this time). Seeing the scale not go down will infuriate me in my hormonal rage. So, I'm jumping on the scale tomorrow morning for observations sake. The expectation would be that it would register 138. However, because of the mitigating factors, it could just stay at 140. . .staring me in the face.

[}] P.M.S. SUX.

 

[sportsclub]

Better off to wait then to get down on yourself for somthing you have no control over...but you do control those damn cookies...stay away. good luck getting through hell week

 

[Lizard King]

Just have some healthy snacks handy at all times and don't have any crap in the house. I get a big bag of almonds and put them in little zip locks, same with grapes and blueberries but I don't get the red tide so I don't know how bad the cravings are, LOL

 

[BILLYGRINGO]

I may be headed down a slippery slope here, But what I know of DNP and what I am reading from your journal.

It sounds like you need to get a better grip on your caloric intake. Like more calories and don't be afraid of getting some carbs, you need the heat to light the furnace. You maynot be hungry because subconciously your thinking eating less will make you lose more weight.

ericraven said his girl had little to no results, I would be willing to bet she wasn't eating either.

Additionally, you maybe doing TO much cardio. SO your not eating and it sounds like possibly over training.

You need to eat to keep your metabolism in check, which DNP increases ! This could be why you may not be experiencing the weight loss you were expecting.

Just a thought, glad to see someone keep such a journal. Keep up the good work.

 

[Osmanthus]

Thanks to all for the responses! I am controlling the cookies! LOL!

BillyG - thanks for the comments. I've dropped the cardio. I meant that was what I *normally* do. I still lift, but I'm getting winded just doing that. I'll start logging my workouts on here as well, just in case anyone reading wants that information.

According to some friends - I should be eating much more. It's a little confusing for me. Some say 1800 - 2000 is what I need. Some say 10 cals per pound of bodyweight (which would only put me at 1400 cals.) The fella that turned me onto the DNP says I should be eating at or just below maintenance. It's enough to make me go cross eyed.

For shits and giggles, I may eat a few more cals for the next few days and see how that goes. I won't go overboard, but just add in a meal that consists of protien, fat AND carbs. I could go for a sweet potato right about now anyway!

 

[BILLYGRINGO]

Thanks to all for the responses! I am controlling the cookies! LOL!

BillyG - thanks for the comments. I've dropped the cardio. I meant that was what I *normally* do. I still lift, but I'm getting winded just doing that. I'll start logging my workouts on here as well, just in case anyone reading wants that information.

According to some friends - I should be eating much more. It's a little confusing for me. Some say 1800 - 2000 is what I need. Some say 10 cals per pound of bodyweight (which would only put me at 1400 cals.) The fella that turned me onto the DNP says I should be eating at or just below maintenance. It's enough to make me go cross eyed.

For shits and giggles, I may eat a few more cals for the next few days and see how that goes. I won't go overboard, but just add in a meal that consists of protien, fat AND carbs. I could go for a sweet potato right about now anyway!

But your probably getting winded because your not eating carbs ! NOT from the DNP.

10 cal per lb of body weight PLUS what ever your BASAL metabolic rate is !!!

So hypothetically your BMR is 1200 you still need at least 1400 to make it thru the day ????

And and hour of vigrous weight training and moderate walk on the treadmill will burn approx 600 calories.

 

[Osmanthus]

But your probably getting winded because your not eating carbs ! NOT from the DNP.

10 cal per lb of body weight PLUS what ever your BASAL metabolic rate is !!!

So hypothetically your BMR is 1200 you still need at least 1400 to make it thru the day ????

And and hour of vigrous weight training and moderate walk on the treadmill will burn approx 600 calories.

Oh! No one mentioned the "plus whatever your basal metabolic rate is" part. Christ. . .this gets so confusing. LOL!

But I'll start adding cals. Thank you so much for your input!

 

[Conciliator]

It sounds like you need to get a better grip on your caloric intake. Like more calories and don't be afraid of getting some carbs, you need the heat to light the furnace. You maynot be hungry because subconciously your thinking eating less will make you lose more weight.

I think your low carb diet is fine while on DNP. I usually recommend a mixed diet for practical purposes, including more energy and improved workout performance, but if you function well on low carbs I think you can lose weight just fine with it. If you don't have specific reasons to be doing a low carb diet, though, I'd be trying a normal mixed diet first. The increased carb intake should help with the lethargy and in the gym.

As for calories, you're on the low side. It looks like you have a good 700 Cal/day deficit or so below what your maintenance needs are (1400 compared to 2100 maintenance). However, I don't think your calories are too low for use with a low dose of DNP, especially since your protein intake is so high. I wouldn't go any lower though. You could experiment and see how increasing calories affects things. Unfortunately, it's hard to guage the effects on fat loss since water rention can mask any changes, but you could see how it affects your workouts and general energy levels.

 

[Conciliator]

But your probably getting winded because your not eating carbs ! NOT from the DNP.

DNP definitely makes you winded by increasing the respiratory rate . This is a well known effect of DNP that's closely related to its ability to increase metabolic rate.

10 cal per lb of body weight PLUS what ever your BASAL metabolic rate is !!!

No, no, no. The rough estimate for metabolic rate (your maintenance caloric needs) is 14-16 Cal per lb of bodyweight (people often just multiply bodyweight by 15). There are more accurate equations based on things like height and age and body composition (e.g. Katch-McArdle formula, Harris-Benedict formula), but these equations often produce numbers that are close to 15 Cal/lb.

For weight loss, the idea is that 10-12 Cal per lb will be a large enough reduction in caloric intake (below maintenance) to result in fat loss. If you ate 10 cal per lb PLUS your BMR, you'd be gaining a huge amount of weight, no doubt about it. That would be somewhere around 166% of your BMR requirements.

So hypothetically your BMR is 1200 you still need at least 1400 to make it thru the day ????

No, that's not hypothetically her BMR. That's extremely low. 15 Cal/lb would be an estimate of her BMR (somewhere around 2100 Cal) and 10 Cal/lb (1400 Cal) would be a number below her BMR that should result in weight loss.

 

[BILLYGRINGO]

DNP definitely makes you winded by increasing the respiratory rate . This is a well known effect of DNP that's closely related to its ability to increase metabolic rate.
No, no, no. The rough estimate for metabolic rate (your maintenance caloric needs) is 14-16 Cal per lb of bodyweight (people often just multiply bodyweight by 15). There are more accurate equations based on things like height and age and body composition (e.g. Katch-McArdle formula, Harris-Benedict formula), but these equations often produce numbers that are close to 15 Cal/lb.

For weight loss, the idea is that 10-12 Cal per lb will be a large enough reduction in caloric intake (below maintenance) to result in fat loss. If you ate 10 cal per lb PLUS your BMR, you'd be gaining a huge amount of weight, no doubt about it. That would be somewhere around 166% of your BMR requirements.
No, that's not hypothetically her BMR. That's extremely low. 15 Cal/lb would be an estimate of her BMR (somewhere around 2100 Cal) and 10 Cal/lb (1400 Cal) would be a number below her BMR that should result in weight loss.

Conc ! I agree totally

I was saying hypothectically. ( I do not know her height, weight, age, and or specific workouts)

She has been eating enough to starve an ethoipian. Thats is why she is not seeing results as quick as she thought.

I have always stressed, Proper methods of eating ! Not diets ! She is looking to lose lbs ! "appolgies Os" She has not trained her body how to eat properly. Os sorry if i am wrong.

To loose weight you must eat 4-6 meals a day you cannot let yourself get hungry ! This will keep your metabolism in check. However the meals cannot be simple carb and sugar rich. They must consist of protein,healthy fats and complex carbs. IMO I woulndt and I havent even try DNP or any other form of synthetic fat burner. Without a proper diet in place FIRST.

Just trying to help post strategy.

 

[Osmanthus]

It's somewhere in this thread - that my "normal" way of eating consists of clean eating, 5 to six meals a day and I've been working out steadily for over a year; that I'm 34, 140 pounds. My diet confusion is related to dieting during the use of DNP ONLY. I was unclear as to where I needed to be calorie wise: over, under or at maintenance in order to keep what muscle I have and dump the fat over the top of it. I've been working at it for a year to put on some muscle underneath the flab and then drop to see what I've created. My normal diet consists of a macro ratio of 50 protien, 30 fat, 20 carb. I'm as unfat as I'm going to get without some extra help. Hell, even a physican who has looked me over inside and out (no thyroid, hormonal issues, etc.) offered to give me an Rx for an amphetmine. So, I do understand what you're saying - please understand that I didn't just wake up one day and say "Hey! Let's go buy some DNP! Whooo!"

Conc - thanks for clearing up the confusion regarding the cals. People were seeing my numbers and (girl) friends were like "That's not enough! You need to be eating 2000 to lose . . ." (Of course, they have no idea that I'm popping DNP every night. LOL.)

And I'm eating the protien. 1g per pound of bodyweight every day. Mmmmmmmm. MEAT! LOL!.

 

[Conciliator]

To loose weight you must eat 4-6 meals a day you cannot let yourself get hungry ! This will keep your metabolism in check.

No, that's a myth. Eating increases metabolic rate through the thermic effect of food (TEF), but that's a function of how much you eat, not how you spread it throughout the day. For example, Bellisle summarized the research saying "studies using whole-body calorimetry and doubly-labelled water to assess total 24 h energy expenditure find no difference between nibbling and gorging." Taylor's research in 2001 found that "the difference between energy expenditure with six meals (10.00 MJ) and two meals (9.96 MJ) was not significant " and that "meal frequency and a period of fasting have no major impact on energy intake or expenditure." And in the most recent research in 2008, Smeets' found that "Eating three meals compared with two meals had no effects on 24 h energy expenditure, diet-induced thermogenesis, activity-induced energy expenditure and sleeping metabolic rate."

However the meals cannot be simple carb and sugar rich. They must consist of protein,healthy fats and complex carbs.

Again, that's a myth. It makes no difference on fat loss what the glycemic index or insulin index of your carbohydrates are. They could be whole grains or they could be white flour. Fat loss will be the same. If you want a bunch of references on this as well, feel free to ask.

Just trying to help post strategy.

It seems to me like you're posting more misinformation than help.

 

[CoachG]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but since it's been opened up a bit...

Conc, I think I understand what you are explaining. Total caloric intake for the day trumps glycemic index.
My questions are:

Assuming total caloric intake for the day is the same, does tweaking the glycemic index of your meals to keep insulin levels low offer any advantage regarding burning fat?

Will use of DNP offset the metabolic slow-down that accompanies very low calorie diets?

While I recall you explaining that T3 is not required for effective use of DNP, would it's concurrent use offer any increases in fat-burning?

Thanks to Conc and to Osmanthus for this highly informative thread.

 

[Conciliator]

Conc, I think I understand what you are explaining. Total caloric intake for the day trumps glycemic index.

It doesn't just trump glycemic index. The glycemic index is irrelevant. Lower GI foods often have health advantages, such as more micronutrients, fiber, etc. However, an effect on body composition compared to high GI foods is not one of them.

Assuming total caloric intake for the day is the same, does tweaking the glycemic index of your meals to keep insulin levels low offer any advantage regarding burning fat?

No. You can think of high GI foods that "spike" insulin as inhibiting lipolysis to a large extent, but for a short amount of time. The spike goes up and comes down. You can think of foods that keep insulin levels low but steady as inhibiting lipolysis to a lesser extent, but for a sustained period of time. There doesn't appear to be an advantage for fat loss from one or the other. Here are some references from the research:

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/80/2/337: "Conclusions: This study does not support the contention that low-fat low GI diets are more beneficial than high GI diets with regard to appetite or body-weight regulation as evaluated over 10 wk."

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/135/10/2387: "In summary, lowering the glycemic load and glycemic index of weight reduction diets does not provide any added benefit to energy restriction in promoting weight loss in obese subjects."

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/85/4/1023: "Percentage weight change at 12 mo was –8.04 4.1% in the [high glycemic load] group and –7.81 5.0% in the [low glycemic load] group. There was no effect of dietary composition on changes in hunger, satiety, or satisfaction with the amount and type of provided food during [caloric restriction]. Conclusions:These findings provide more detailed evidence to suggest that diets differing substantially in glycemic load induce comparable long-term weight loss."

Will use of DNP offset the metabolic slow-down that accompanies very low calorie diets?

DNP is a pure thermogenic. In terms of increasing metabolic rate, it can offset anything that decreases metabolic rate. As for mitigating the drop itself during a VLCD, it's anyone's guess.
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While I recall you explaining that T3 is not required for effective use of DNP, would it's concurrent use offer any increases in fat-burning?

Any increase in metabolic rate from T3 would pale in comparison to the DNP. It might be useful for improving lipolysis from adipocytes by increasing sensitivity to adrenergic agonism, such that more fat can be mobilized for the DNP to burn. However, when T3 comes with the side effect of muscle loss, I think you'd be much better off taking a lipolytic agent like clen or EC that has the opposite effect of being anabolic/anti-catabolic.

 

[Osmanthus]

CoachG - no need to apologize. . .because the response from Concilator was really, really informative!

LAST WEEKS STATS WERE

140 pounds
Chest - 34 (stayed the same)
Waist (above belly button) - 28 in.
Waist (AT belly button) 31 in.
Hips - at hipbone 34 in
Hips - at saddlebags 40 (YIKES)
Quads 18.5

I used the same measuring tape (cloth) and took each measurement three times.

WEEK 2 (in case you haven't read prior posts in this thread, I'm hideously pre-menstrual this week. Not an excuse. Just information any woman reading this might want to be aware of. .)

WEIGHT 140
(Which is the same. . .but SOMETHING is happening, because my measurements are
BICEPS: 11 in. (I don't want them to get any smaller, though - w/ all the work I'm doing, I thought they'd be bigger. Ha.)
CHEST / RIBS (i.e. not Boobs) 31.5 in. (I'm normally 32)
CHEST/BOOBS 33.5 (I'm normally 34 and then some.)
ABDOMEN / 2 in above Belly Button 27 inches
ABDOMEB / AT BELLY BUTTON 29.5 inches ! (Yes. Seriously.)
HIPS / AT HIP BONE 33
HIPS / AT MONSTER SADDLE BAGS 40 / no change.
QUADS / 4 inches above knee 17.5 ( a welcome change)

So, this week, when my raging hormones make me think that I'm doing all of this at great expense and no benefit, I'll need to come back and look at this or pull out the tape and remind myself. . .

As discussed - workouts and meals will get posted tonight. Thanks so much for the great information and the discussions that lead up to it. That last post from Conc was full of great information. Thanks, folks!

 

[BILLYGRINGO]

Hi jacked thread sorry OS

Conc, Look you can spit out all the studies you want ! I'm sure I could spend some time and find some the support the methods I refer too as well.

Thing is you confuse the hell outta the subject ! Keep it simple !

And do not say I am giving bad advise ! Check yourself !