DNP Log - 34 Year Old Female

[Osmanthus]

In searching for completed DNP logs written by females, I came up with very few. Not that it was necessary, but it would've been nice for comparison. So, I'm starting my DNP journal now in case anyone else scours the boards for DNP results in women.

If you are a woman and you are reading this on or shortly after 04/29/09, it will not be completed for 5 weeks - so check back! Please understand that while I will be listing my weight every day, that is not an accurate reflection of the "magic" that the DNP is performing (due to water retention).


So, I started my cycle today and it will last for approximately 5 weeks.

CURRENT STATS

142 pounds
Chest - 34 in.
Waist - 29 in.
Hips - 34 in.
Quads - 19 in

Though I understand that any fat loss attributed to the use of DNP may not show up for a week after the end of the cycle, I will post my weight daily so that anyone reading this might get an idea of how one's scale weight can fluctuate.

I will post befores and afters at the end of the cycle.

DIET
Diet will be what some people call a "clean" diet. (Whatever.) I'll be eating lean protein, a fat and a carb at every meal. I toyed with the idea of a keto/low-carb diet, but after reading everything that was available to me, I've decided to to keep my normal balance. Unsure as to macro percentages at this point, although I will keep my protein at 1g per pound of bodyweight. (I was confused as to whether the protein should be 1g per pound of LBM or 1g per pound of TOTAL bodyweight. I gathered some opinions and it seemed that I should go the 1g per pound of TOTAL bodyweight. If anyone else has an opinion on that, I'd like to hear it.

Supplements
In addition to my normal multi-vitamins, Reservitrol (probably not necessary, but I was given two bottles of it.) and fish oil, I will be taking 2g of Taurine per day. Luteine and L-Carnitine are a possibility, because I have them in the house. Still unsure if I want to add more pills to the arsenal. I will not be taking an ECA stack. (I can't.)

DOSE
I will be taking 2 100 mg caps of powder per day for the first ten days. After that, I may bump it up to 300 per day if I feel the need. (It's a huge possibility that I'll stay at 200 for the duration, though.) The DNP came from a reputable source and I am confident that the caps are properly dosed. I haven't been on this board long enough to have gotten to "know" anyone, so please do not ask me for sources in this thread. Not trying to bogart the DNP. I'm just a little cautious.

PRECAUTIONS

I have digital thermometers by my bed, by the phone, in my desk at my office and in my purse. I'll be checking my temp regularly.

I will not drink alcohol while taking DNP.

I don't take "fun" drugs, so no worries about that, either.

I will not get antsy and think I'll do better at doses higher than 300.

I will stay hydrated (but not water-toxed).

I understand that there is some controversy regarding the "frying of my eggs" with the use of DNP. I'm not concerned about this because I am not having children. If you are a female of child-bearing age and potential and considering using DNP, please look into this issue further. I doubt seriously that it "fries" your eggs - however, the introduction of an unecessary drug/chemical compound while you're developing a midget in your womb might not be the brightest of ideas. (Just my opinion. . .nothing based in fact.)

A friend of mine (opthamologist) checked my eyes last week and will check them again mid-cycle and again at the end of the cycle. I'm probably being overly cautious, but I'd like all bases covered.

If anyone has any comments, ideas or thoughts on the above, please feel free to post them.

Thanks!
Os

 

[Osmanthus]

Oh! There WILL be befores and afters, when I'm done with the cycle.

Nothing TOO new to report. Stats will be up on Wednesday. I did decide to go ahead and try 300. Two nights in a row. No real difference so far other than I maybe sweated 10 drops more in my sleep than I did on 200. Gross, huh?

 

[liteweight]

Os, I didn't see much difference between 200 and 300. Until... I ate carbs! THEN, I could tell the difference. Have another cupcake and then let's talk!

Remember DNP has a 72 hours half-life. So, even though you are only increasing by 100, after day three at 300mg, you will have 900mg active in your system. At 200mg/day, only a total of 600mg. So, a total of 300 more mgs active in your system after three days. Watch your temperature.

 

[Conciliator]

Remember DNP has a 72 hours half-life.

The half-life is commonly cited as 36 hours. Even that, though, is highly suspect. There's been no pharmacokinetic research examining this and different sources give a range of suspected half-lifes, from hours to weeks. Personally, I think 36 hours is a good guess.

 

[Osmanthus]

Whew! Well, I'm hot at night now. I'm officially sweating the sheets. LOL.

I am definitely watching my temp - but I have something I want to throw out there: generally, my temp was running at various levels of 98-point-something degrees. Then, it dropped to 97.2 and stayed there for about four days.

So, I've been on 300mg for 3 nights now. I mean, ever since I started this, I literally pop my DNP and then hit the sheets. So, for six to seven hours, I don't know jack about my temperature. But, upone waking and throughout the day, my temp has gone back up to 98.3 and that's pretty much as high as it goes.

Saturday, I was running all over town running a significant amount of errands and didn't drink enough water. When I got home, I felt like I was burning up - like I SHOULD'VE had a temp. So, before I drank anything, I took my temp - fully expecting it to be 99 or so - nada. 97. I guzzled some water, chewed on some ice, ate some pineapple (which I know will only bring more heat, but that stuff is SO refreshing!) and drank more water. In three minutes, (and despite the pineapple), I felt just as happy as you can please. Now - what did I learn from that? Nothing except that I need to MAKE SURE I have water with me. Usually, I do. I've been drinking three tall one litre bottles of water a day, whether I'm thirsty or not.

And here's another note about water weight. I flipped out the other day because the scale was back up to 139. I jumped on the scale again the next morning - 136. Today, 137. So, there's no telling how much I weigh.

 

[Osmanthus]

Also - if I had one complaint, it would be that my lower body (from under the belly button down) doesn't seem to be responding as well. I mean, I know fat is fat and I can't control where it's coming from, but I am super irritated that from my belly button to my knees really looks the same to me. Now, the measuring tape tells a slightly different tale, but regardless. . .I wanted faster results for that evil area.

Yet another factor that could affect people's beliefs in DNP: if the fat doesn't come off exactly where they want it to come off, they'll want to assert that "it doesn't work" or that "it's not worth it." Every time that mentality hits, I simply remember that changes (that did NOT come before with diet and exercise) have definitely occured in my body. And frankly, I haven't been doing THAT much for THAT long (DNP). I mean, we're talking a matter of three weeks? Four on Wednesday? (Or maybe 5 on Wednesday. I need to go back and look at the calendar.)

One thing that I am discovering is that I HIGHLY overestimated the amount of muscle I'd put on. My arms are nowhere near the size that I thought they'd be. And that's o.k. - I don't mind working out. Right now, I just want to drop as much fat as possible and then reassess my workouts.

My goals were a little bi-polar as well, when I started working out. One day, I would wish that I looked like Jamie Eason or Tamar. The next day, I was wishing for the physique of a ballet dancer or Sarah Jessica Parker (Yes, I know some of you are throwing up in your mouths right now.) So, once the fat drops, I need to sit down and get a clearer picture of what I really, really want to transform my body into. Just saying I want "to be hot" is not enough. I mean, that covers a rather broad spectrum and various opinions.

I CAN tell you that I was happiest with my body when I was about 120 pounds. I forget my bodyfat percentage from that time - but it wasn't that low. You could see definition and clearly identify my bis, tris and delts; I didn't have a full on 6-pack - but I did have the top two pack and a line down the center of my stomach. I looked strong, but still soft. If that's what my body can do, that's what my body can do. (shrug)

I am thinking of trying out seriously low-carb stint after this if I need to (What's it called? PMSF? PSMF? LOL) and see what that does.

 

[CoachG]

Regarding the tempature thing: Perhaps my reasoning is flawed, but if you are throwing off more heat, wouldn't your body tempature be lower, not higher? DNP causes subQ water retention, right? Water is a good conductor of heat, right? So, even if your body is producing more heat, if you are properly hydrated, wouldn't you be leaking this heat out into the universe pretty rapidly? Seems like your body tempature would go up if you couldn't radiate this heat, like say, if you didn't hydrate properly.

Just thinking out loud.

Os, looking forward to seeing your results.

 

[Conciliator]

Also - if I had one complaint, it would be that my lower body (from under the belly button down) doesn't seem to be responding as well. I mean, I know fat is fat and I can't control where it's coming from, but I am super irritated that from my belly button to my knees really looks the same to me. Now, the measuring tape tells a slightly different tale, but regardless. . .I wanted faster results for that evil area.

Fat will come off in a genetically predetermined order, probably the same order it went on. That said, Lyle McDonald has talked mentioned that stubborn fat on the lower body of women seems to respond well to cardio, which increases circulation and maybe aids in fat mobilization. You might also consider getting some yohimbine HCl, which is an alpha-adrenoreceptor antagonist. Whereas things like EC and clen work by pressing the gas for fat loss (acting as beta agonists), yohimbine works by letting off the brakes. It could help improve lipolysis of your stubborn fat.

One thing that I am discovering is that I HIGHLY overestimated the amount of muscle I'd put on. My arms are nowhere near the size that I thought they'd be. And that's o.k. - I don't mind working out. Right now, I just want to drop as much fat as possible and then reassess my workouts.

Keep in mind that just as DNP deceives you about how much fat you've lost (because of water rentention), it also deceives you about how much muscle you have (because of glycogen depletion). Most people, myself included, feel incredibly flat, small, and weak while on DNP, only to have those effects reverse when you go off. So don't get too down on yourself just yet.

I am thinking of trying out seriously low-carb stint after this if I need to (What's it called? PMSF? PSMF? LOL) and see what that does.

It's a PSMF, short for protein sparing modified fast. It's a pretty extreme version of a low carb diet, where not only are you eating no carbs, but no fat as well. It's only lean protein. I think a better option for you would be a higher calorie diet, with a higher carb intake that can support high intensity exercise, which you are in the habit of doing. You can still diet further, or maintain your weight, as a matter of calories. But the higher carb intake will probably have you feeling better and working out harder, which I think is a preferable option. If you do decide to do a PSMF, I wouldn't do it without first reading Lyle McDonald's Rapid Fatloss Handbook, which is the gold standard for guides no running a PSMF.

Hope that helps,
Conc

 

[Conciliator]

Regarding the temperature thing: Perhaps my reasoning is flawed, but if you are throwing off more heat, wouldn't your body temperature be lower, not higher?

It depends how much heat you're producing and how much heat you're throwing off. If you're producing the same amount as before, but radiating more, your body temperature will lower. However, if you're increased in your dose and are producing more heat, your temperature will rise if you're not able to dissipate more heat. That's what happens as your dose gets high. You start to max out your ability to radiate heat and subsequent increases in the dose just drives your temperature even higher (until you get to the point of a fatal fever). At lower doses, however, the body readily radiates the excess heat and even seems to overcompensate, such that body temperature lowers (as many people attest in their DNP logs).

DNP causes subQ water retention, right? Water is a good conductor of heat, right? So, even if your body is producing more heat, if you are properly hydrated, wouldn't you be leaking this heat out into the universe pretty rapidly? Seems like your body temperature would go up if you couldn't radiate this heat, like say, if you didn't hydrate properly.

Even with proper hydration, though, if you take too much DNP, you will develop a fever that gets progressively higher with the dose. It's a myth that you can't overdose if you're properly hydrated. Being well hydrated will contribute to proper thermoregulation, just don't think it's an inoculation against overdose.

 

[CoachG]

Conc,
I was by no means trying to say that it wasn't possible to OD and fry. Sorry if it came across as such. I should have included a caveat to that effect.

 

[Conciliator]

Conc,
I was by no means trying to say that it wasn't possible to OD and fry. Sorry if it came across as such. I should have included a caveat to that effect.

No, I didn't think you were saying that. What you did say just reminded me of it, so I thought I'd address it.

 

[Osmanthus]

UGH.

Woke up after my 4th dose of DNP. Temp is 98.5, but it feels like a hundred and fucking four and I have a headache. I'll be checking my temp throughout the day to see what happens. If my temp goes much higher, I may scale back to 200 again. God, I feel like ASS this morning. Of course, it's 89 degrees where I live right now, so that's not helping. I know I'll feel cooler once I get to the office - the people there like to keep that place a freezer. I'm the only woman walking around without a cardigan on these days. I'm in every sleeveless outfit I can find, breezing through the halls. "Good morining, frozen bitches. I feel goooood." Oh, I shouldn't have said that.

Fat will come off in a genetically predetermined order, probably the same order it went on. That said, Lyle McDonald has mentioned that stubborn fat on the lower body of women seems to respond well to cardio, which increases circulation and maybe aids in fat mobilization. You might also consider getting some yohimbine HCl, which is an alpha-adrenoreceptor antagonist. Whereas things like EC and clen work by pressing the gas for fat loss (acting as beta agonists), yohimbine works by letting off the brakes. It could help improve lipolysis of your stubborn fat.

Oh! You know, I'll run out and get some of that today. My cardio has come to a screeching halt. The best I can do is walk the elliptical like my granny right now. I get so winded and hot, that it's just super annoying.

Keep in mind that just as DNP deceives you about how much fat you've lost (because of water rentention), it also deceives you about how much muscle you have (because of glycogen depletion). Most people, myself included, feel incredibly flat, small, and weak while on DNP, only to have those effects reverse when you go off. So don't get too down on yourself just yet.

Oh! Yes! I did read about that once - and promptly forgot. With all of the info I've read on this, I really overloaded and couldn't remember. .. you know. . .all the "good" stuff. Basically, I was sticking with the "What do I need to do to avoid killing myself." Ha ha ha.

It's a PSMF, short for protein sparing modified fast. It's a pretty extreme version of a low carb diet, where not only are you eating no carbs, but no fat as well. It's only lean protein. I think a better option for you would be a higher calorie diet, with a higher carb intake that can support high intensity exercise, which you are in the habit of doing. You can still diet further, or maintain your weight, as a matter of calories. But the higher carb intake will probably have you feeling better and working out harder, which I think is a preferable option. If you do decide to do a PSMF, I wouldn't do it without first reading Lyle McDonald's Rapid Fatloss Handbook, which is the gold standard for guides no running a PSMF.

Hope that helps,

Now THAT is an idea I could live with. More food, more carbs. Yum! (I know cupcakes don't count, you guys. LOL)

Regarding the tempature thing: Perhaps my reasoning is flawed, but if you are throwing off more heat, wouldn't your body tempature be lower, not higher? DNP causes subQ water retention, right? Water is a good conductor of heat, right? So, even if your body is producing more heat, if you are properly hydrated, wouldn't you be leaking this heat out into the universe pretty rapidly? Seems like your body tempature would go up if you couldn't radiate this heat, like say, if you didn't hydrate properly.

Just thinking out loud.
Os, looking forward to seeing your results.

Man - no worries about just thinking out loud. It was an intelligent question that garnered us an informative answer! I appreciate having those kinds of questions posted here.

Now, you all must excuse me while I go take a shower. . .and stand on some ice cubes. DAMN IT'S HOT THIS MORNING.

 

[Osmanthus]

O.K. Sorry for the bitch session earlier this morning. I'm feeling much better now. I've had several glasses of ice-cold water and feel a TON better. I can't decide if it was me or if my house was just friggin hot this morning, but I've been feeling on the better side of good for about an hour now. Phew. If I'd been sweating like THAT all day. . .that would've sucked. I feel 100x better now.

 

[moedank]

Took my first 150mg today. Feeling VERY warm and its hot as hell outside.....

thanks for the update

 

[Conciliator]

Oh! You know, I'll run out and get some of that today. My cardio has come to a screeching halt. The best I can do is walk the elliptical like my granny right now. I get so winded and hot, that it's just super annoying.

If you get some yohimbine, be sure to start out at a low dose and slowly increase it. It can cause anxiety, so you don't want to take too much and unexpectedly find that you're about to have a panic attack. I think most products come in small 2.5 mg servings. At low doses you should be alright.

I don't think think you need to do a full blown cardio session, but just walking or using the elliptical should be beneficial. DNP itself probably also does a good job of improving fat transport by increasing blood flow through vasodilation.

 

[Osmanthus]

If you get some yohimbine, be sure to start out at a low dose and slowly increase it. It can cause anxiety, so you don't want to take too much and unexpectedly find that you're about to have a panic attack. I think most products come in small 2.5 mg servings. At low doses you should be alright.

I don't think think you need to do a full blown cardio session, but just walking or using the elliptical should be beneficial. DNP itself probably also does a good job of improving fat transport by increasing blood flow through vasodilation.

Ha! Thanks for the warning! That would be a real hoot - me having a freakout AND sweating my face off.

And I could go back to just walking on the elliptical. I just haven't been doing any cardio since I wimp out after about four minutes into it.

Well, someone MOVED MY FRIGGIN' measuring tape and I can't find it this morning. (I like to take my measurements at the same time every day that I take them.) So, I'm super pissed, but I'll go to work and look for it again when I get home tonight. Then, I'll give measurements in the morning. (This is SO irritating. There's a reason I put things in the same place every time - so shit like this doesn't happen.)

I will tell you, though, that the scale this morning read 135.2. And I'm happy with that!

(Temp - 98.5 and holding.)

 

[marigold5]

Hey Osmanthus - I've been reading your log with interest as I've run DNP a coupla times and have the same prob with the lower body fat just not shifting how I want.

I don't know if Yohimbe hcl is the same thing but I got some 500mg Yohimbe bark extract capsules from Biovea (this is all I could get) & I just can't cope with them at al I mean I take one with food mid morning and it takes a good hour or so at least but then I'm sweaty but chilly at the same time, I get goosebumps, I feel jitery & quite awfull. I try to keep busy so I went to the gym & did some quite heavy squats- I was shaking so much the plates were ratling! I find I can't concentrate on anything and I always feel really miserable I also find the effects last for ages - like 8 hours or something & I can never ever sleep that night!

Maybe its just me having a bad reaction to it?? I can take loads of ephedrine, caffine etc & be fine as I am with most stimulants - I've tried biotest hotrox as my training partner loves em but they make me feel really down & jittery also - I looked up the indredients and Yohimbe is one of them so.......

Would love to know how you get on with it as I've heard great things. High doses of dnp I'v coped with for weeks but I just can't take the miserable feeling from the yohimbe - I have though about trying to half the powder in the cap but havn't tried it as of yet.

Anyhow sorry for the long post & the very best of luck with it

 

[marigold5]

If you get some yohimbine, be sure to start out at a low dose and slowly increase it. It can cause anxiety, so you don't want to take too much and unexpectedly find that you're about to have a panic attack. I think most products come in small 2.5 mg servings. At low doses you should be alright.

I don't think think you need to do a full blown cardio session, but just walking or using the elliptical should be beneficial. DNP itself probably also does a good job of improving fat transport by increasing blood flow through vasodilation.

I'v just re-read the above by Conciliator 2.5mg servings?? now that I could probally cope with lol - I've just read my bottle and it says "each cap contains 500mg yohimbe bark extract" also the recomended doseage is up to 3 caps a day with meals!! seriously I think that would kill me!

so is anyone else taking this & if so at what doeasages & how are you finding it? I really would like to have another shot at yohimbe when I do my next dnp cycle but I know I could never cope with 500mg a day of the caps I have.

thanks again

 

[Conciliator]

I'v just re-read the above by Conciliator 2.5mg servings?? now that I could probally cope with lol - I've just read my bottle and it says "each cap contains 500mg yohimbe bark extract" also the recomended doseage is up to 3 caps a day with meals!! seriously I think that would kill me!

so is anyone else taking this & if so at what doeasages & how are you finding it? I really would like to have another shot at yohimbe when I do my next dnp cycle but I know I could never cope with 500mg a day of the caps I have.

thanks again

Yohimbe is the plant and yohimbine is the primary active chemical in the plant. You take it for the active chemical. It's similar to ephedra (the plant) and ephedrine (the substance in it that you want). In my opinion, the best way to be sure about what you're getting is to buy the actual substance that you want (i.e. yohimbine or ephedrine), and not the plant extract (i.e yohimbe or ephedra).

However, if you have a plant extract you can usually determine approximately how much active ingredient is present. For example, a product might say it contains 500mg of yohimbe bark extract standardized to 1% alkaloids. That's what you need to look for on the label. What is it "standardized to"? In this example, it means 1% of the 500 mg is active ingredient, which is 5 mg. If all you know is that you have 500mg of the plant extract, with no information about what it's standardized to, then you have no idea how much active ingredient it contains. It could be way too much or way too little. If it's not stated on the label, the manufactuerer might not even know how much each cap contains, because it's not standardized.

Your best bet it to buy the active ingredient so you're sure about what you're getting and sure about what you're not getting. The other constituents of the plant might just add side effects without any benefits.

 

[marigold5]

Thanks for the info - below is a link to the stuff I got - it doesn't seem to say anywhere what its standardized to! Ok I'll take it as a lesson learned

As its not exaclty an ilegal drug any reccomendations of a good product to go for? have to be online as I'm in the UK?

Mucho thanks

http://www.biovea.net/product_detail.aspx?PID=1192#

 

[Osmanthus]

Well, you guys should get a kick out of this. I asked my husband to pick up some yohimbine or yohimbe (if he couldn't find the yohimbine) and he refused . . .calling it "natural viagra." He started blabbing on some shit about how it raises testosterone levels. So, let's just add Yo to the list of shit I'm going to have to sneak into the house. Ha ha ha. Mr. All Natural won't get yohimbe for me because it will increase testosterone. As if I'm not overloaded on friggin estrogen as it is. ROFLMAO.