DNP Log - 34 Year Old Female

[Osmanthus]

In searching for completed DNP logs written by females, I came up with very few. Not that it was necessary, but it would've been nice for comparison. So, I'm starting my DNP journal now in case anyone else scours the boards for DNP results in women.

If you are a woman and you are reading this on or shortly after 04/29/09, it will not be completed for 5 weeks - so check back! Please understand that while I will be listing my weight every day, that is not an accurate reflection of the "magic" that the DNP is performing (due to water retention).


So, I started my cycle today and it will last for approximately 5 weeks.

CURRENT STATS

142 pounds
Chest - 34 in.
Waist - 29 in.
Hips - 34 in.
Quads - 19 in

Though I understand that any fat loss attributed to the use of DNP may not show up for a week after the end of the cycle, I will post my weight daily so that anyone reading this might get an idea of how one's scale weight can fluctuate.

I will post befores and afters at the end of the cycle.

DIET
Diet will be what some people call a "clean" diet. (Whatever.) I'll be eating lean protein, a fat and a carb at every meal. I toyed with the idea of a keto/low-carb diet, but after reading everything that was available to me, I've decided to to keep my normal balance. Unsure as to macro percentages at this point, although I will keep my protein at 1g per pound of bodyweight. (I was confused as to whether the protein should be 1g per pound of LBM or 1g per pound of TOTAL bodyweight. I gathered some opinions and it seemed that I should go the 1g per pound of TOTAL bodyweight. If anyone else has an opinion on that, I'd like to hear it.

Supplements
In addition to my normal multi-vitamins, Reservitrol (probably not necessary, but I was given two bottles of it.) and fish oil, I will be taking 2g of Taurine per day. Luteine and L-Carnitine are a possibility, because I have them in the house. Still unsure if I want to add more pills to the arsenal. I will not be taking an ECA stack. (I can't.)

DOSE
I will be taking 2 100 mg caps of powder per day for the first ten days. After that, I may bump it up to 300 per day if I feel the need. (It's a huge possibility that I'll stay at 200 for the duration, though.) The DNP came from a reputable source and I am confident that the caps are properly dosed. I haven't been on this board long enough to have gotten to "know" anyone, so please do not ask me for sources in this thread. Not trying to bogart the DNP. I'm just a little cautious.

PRECAUTIONS

I have digital thermometers by my bed, by the phone, in my desk at my office and in my purse. I'll be checking my temp regularly.

I will not drink alcohol while taking DNP.

I don't take "fun" drugs, so no worries about that, either.

I will not get antsy and think I'll do better at doses higher than 300.

I will stay hydrated (but not water-toxed).

I understand that there is some controversy regarding the "frying of my eggs" with the use of DNP. I'm not concerned about this because I am not having children. If you are a female of child-bearing age and potential and considering using DNP, please look into this issue further. I doubt seriously that it "fries" your eggs - however, the introduction of an unecessary drug/chemical compound while you're developing a midget in your womb might not be the brightest of ideas. (Just my opinion. . .nothing based in fact.)

A friend of mine (opthamologist) checked my eyes last week and will check them again mid-cycle and again at the end of the cycle. I'm probably being overly cautious, but I'd like all bases covered.

If anyone has any comments, ideas or thoughts on the above, please feel free to post them.

Thanks!
Os

 

[Osmanthus]

Hi jacked thread sorry OS

Conc, Look you can spit out all the studies you want ! I'm sure I could spend some time and find some the support the methods I refer too as well.

Thing is you confuse the hell outta the subject ! Keep it simple !

And do not say I am giving bad advise ! Check yourself !

Okey dokey - that *was* a thread-jack and had no valuable information in it other than to argue with Conciliator. I appreciate your input and suggestions, but if you're going to argue, please take it to a PM. Thanks!

 

[Osmanthus]

Today's Diet: (fitday does not copy and paste very well. Sorry!)

Food Name Amount Unit Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g) Delete
Total CALS 1,400 FAT 28.9 CARBS 56.0 PROTIEN 221.1
BRKFST - Egg, white only
SNACK - Cheese, cottage,
LUNCH - Chicken, breast, skin not eaten + 1/2 c Newman's Own Tomato & Basil Sauce
SNACK - Boars Head Chix - 2 oz.
DINNER - Chicken, breast, skin not eaten
Mixed salad greens, raw cup, shredded
Pineapple, raw
SNACK/DESSERT - Cheese, cottage, lowfat, 2% milkfat
Strawberries, raw cupcup,

WORKOUT:

Bis/Tris

Standing DB curls - 25 lbs 3x8
Tricep Pushdown - 40 lbs 3x10

DB Incline Curls - 20 lbs 3x8
Skull Crushers - 30 lbs 3x10

Reverse Grip Curl - 20lbs 3x6
Close Grip Push Ups - 28x1, 15x1, 10x1

 

[CoachG]

With your permission, Osmanthus...

"Any increase in metabolic rate from T3 would pale in comparison to the DNP. It might be useful for improving lipolysis from adipocytes by increasing sensitivity to adrenergic agonism, such that more fat can be mobilized for the DNP to burn. However, when T3 comes with the side effect of muscle loss, I think you'd be much better off taking a lipolytic agent like clen or EC that has the opposite effect of being anabolic/anti-catabolic."

Conc, let's say I was running 30mg of Superdrol ED, 100mg of Tren Ace EOD, 30mg of albuterol ED, 1mg of ketotifen ED, along with a proper DNP cycle and T3 cycle...

Also, what's your take on guggulsterones? They were all the rage a few years ago. I remember Syntrax was really hyping the use of them with their Triac product. I've got a fair supply of Hot-Rox, and was wondering if it would make more sense to use it during the above cycle, or afterwards, as some sort of thyroid PCT. Thanks for the help.

By the way, Osmanthus, your log rocks. I am going to be keeping one for my planned 21 day run of the above and am using yours as inspiration.

Peace.

 

[Osmanthus]

With your permission, Osmanthus...

I absolutely do not have a problem with Q&A / information sharing. That's totally fine. I just didn't want it to degenerate into arguments without information.

Oh, and by the way, the scale this MORNING reads 139.2.

 

[liteweight]

OS, curious to see your mesasurements once "mother nature" (as we call it) is done with you.
Great log, I check it daily. Keep up the good work!

 

[Osmanthus]

I hate to bore you guys, but I ate the same thing today that I ate yesterday with the exception of my snack! Ha ha ha! I'm like that. I'll shop once, cook once and eat the same thing for three or four days. It's not for people who like variety, but it works for me.

Food Name
Total CALS 1,400 FAT 28.9 CARBS 56.0 PROTIEN 221.1
BRKFST - Egg, white only
SNACK - Cheese, cottage,
LUNCH - Chicken, breast, skin not eaten + 1/2 c Newman's Own Tomato & Basil Sauce
SNACK - Boars Head Roast Beef - 2 oz.
DINNER - Chicken, breast, skin not eaten
Mixed salad greens, raw cup, shredded
Pineapple, raw
SNACK/DESSERT - Cheese, cottage, lowfat, 2% milkfat
Strawberries, raw

WORKOUT:

Lower Body V I

Squats - 50 lbs on the bar 3x8
Rom. Deadlifts - 85 lbs 3x6

Leg Ext. - 100 lbs 3x8
Let Curls - 50 lbs 3x8

Walking Lunges - 40lbs 3x20
Bench Steps (high) - 40 lbs 3x10

Calves - bodyweight, 3x40

Tomorrow, they're having a birthday party for me at work. I'm going to eat well during lunch (meat, salad, blah blah blah), but I don't care how much I sweat or how hot I get, I'm going to eat a cupcake. Just one. . .but I'm going to eat it. I'm going to eat it and then scrape my teeth against the paper cup and get every little crumb of cupcake out of it. Better make sure I've got some ice water sitting nearby.

 

[hackskii]

I do think the glycemic index has some merrit.
Spiking blood sugars with big carb meals makes me tired, but also hungry.

Remember though, all diets are some sort of carbohydrate manipulation, or restriction.

I also feel better grazing during the day than pigging out, not to mention that makes me tired.

 

[Osmanthus]

I know this will come as a shock to you all - but I ate the SAME THING today as I did yesterday. [)]

Food Name
Total CALS 1,400 FAT 28.9 CARBS 56.0 PROTIEN 221.1
BRKFST - Eggs, white only
SNACK - Cheese, cottage,
LUNCH - Chicken, breast, skin not eaten + 1/2 c Newman's Own Tomato & Basil Sauce
SNACK - Boars Head Roast Beef - 2 oz.
DINNER - Chicken, breast, skin not eaten
Mixed salad greens, raw cup, shredded
Pineapple, raw
SNACK/DESSERT - Cheese, cottage, lowfat, 2% milkfat
Strawberries, raw

Now - I have no idea how many calories to add for 1 homemade cupcake with homeade frosting. But I ate one of those too. It was my b-day celebration at work. Now I REALLY KNOW what all the sweat-talk is about. Holy cow. I was sweating something terrible about 45 minutes after I ate that cake. I stayed hotter than hell for about an hour. Whooo. Wow.

WORKOUT:
Cardio is a joke in this heat. It's cool in the gym, but the heat outdoors is brutal. Forget it. LOL.

Back/Chest
DB Flat Bench Press 35lb 3x8
One Arm Rows 45 lb 3x8
DB Flyes 25lb 3x8
Wide Grip Pull Ups 10x1, 7x1, 5x1
Push Ups 30x3
Lat Pull 100 2x8, 1x6

I'm nasty, sweaty and exhausted now. LOL. Lukewarm shower, here I come.

This far into it and after the inital rash issue - the only side that I really hate is the shortness of breath. Drives me insane. Otherwise, I'm fine. I've got an eye appointment next week, just for a check up (as stated before, he knows exactly what I'm doing).

 

[Lizard King]

Happy birthday, you could have had 2 cupcakes if you wanted or could stand the heat if that is a problem for you after carbs.

 

[CoachG]

With regard to the heat spike after eating carbs on DNP...

Is this effect proportional to the calories eaten or does eating carbs increase thermogenesis on DNP in a way that could, if one could stand the heat, increase fat burning?

 

[Osmanthus]

Oh, I can stand the heat. It really doesn't bother me all that much. The sweating part is a little annoying, but really, I just go sit in front of a fan or crank the A/C to sub-zero and I'm fine.

Coach - I think the heat only has to do with the uncoupling effect on the carbs and is not necessarily reflective of any "extra" increase in fat burning. Basically, what I'm saying is - that I don't believe that if you eat more carbs, you'll burn more fat. I could be wrong, though. I think that at this point (200 mg a day for the last three weeks), I burn whatever extra calorie percentage I'm burning whether I'm eating carbs or protien. Again - I could be very, very wrong. I read a lot of misinformation when I first started looking into this, like "All you should eat is carbs" or "50% of your macro count needs to be from carbs."

I hope that's not the case. I'm not a 50% carb kind of girl. LOL.

I will say this - I'm not even getting on the scale today. I can tell you right now that I'm holding more water than my pool. I get lines just from sitting on the couch. I was sitting on the couch last night with my legs stretched out and one of my legs was laying across the seam of one of the cushions (leather. Nice and freezing leather. LOL.) I got up to get something to drink and I had the perfect imprint of that seam running across my leg.

And despite holding the water, my arms are looking much smaller. Apparently, I didn't have as much muscle under there as I thought. It's o.k., I'll just rebuild once I tear all of this down, but I can only hope it does the same for my friggin THIGHS. Geez. Ugh.

Yet again - it's all in perception. I put on a skirt that I bought the week before I started the DNP. Now, I swear to you, my lower half doesn't LOOK any smaller to me, but it must be. The skirt originally fit, but was a little tight at the hips. Now, I can pull it so that the waistband is down under my belly button. Pants that I bought that same day are practically falling off of me.

So, despite my foggy female "I hate my thighs" filter and despite the scale saying I've only lost four pounds, I AM getting smaller. The clothes don't lie.

I love this stuff.

 

[bigbench]

Water retention of any kind sucks! The first time I noticed it was when I took of my socks and had the damn ring around my ankles for the rest of the day. It looked like I had tight rubber bands still on my legs lol

BTW great log girl. And yes, thats the beauty of DNP. The scale might not change a lot while on, but the changes happen fast

 

[Osmanthus]

Whew. I've got the "DNP Wimpies" today.

I went to push 35 lb db's for my shoulder press this morning. . .I did three before I was tapped. I dropped to 30's. . .four. I dropped down to 25's (TEN POUNDS LESS) and pushed out 6. WOW. Sheesh. I hate that.

Of course, I'm blaming the DNP, but it could be a lot of things. I've read that women can be weaker during their periods (Sorry, TMI for the men, I'm sure.), I hadn't eaten very much yet before I worked out this morning. Just one protien shake, really. I usually work out much later in the day, after a lot of meals, so that *could* have something to do with it, too. But my heart was pounding and I was outta breath . . .and just couldn't push any harder. And that's fine with me. I'll build it all right back up when I'm done with the DNP.

My thighs are driving me nuts though. But basically, I just need to quit looking at them. My upper body is shaping up super nice, but my legs are still looking chunky. I've got a few more weeks, to go, though. Of course, I'm thinking about extending the cycle without a break.

I don't know if I "need" a break from it - the guy that I actually know that uses this stuff runs really long, low dose cycles (200 - 300). So I could feasibly keep this up. We'll see.

Now - it's off to the bookstore and the movies. The weather is tremendously shitty where I live right now, so it's indoor activity time for me.

 

[liteweight]

OS, how long does your friend run his cycles for? I like the longer cycle at lower dosages.

 

[Osmanthus]

Liteweight - he's run his for 3 months at a time. Sounds scary, but he's totally fine.

Now, for the record, folks: DON'T RUN DNP NEAR YOUR BIRTHDAY OR A HOLIDAY. I'm lucky I don't really drink, because my friends would've been all over me for not drinking. But they're used to me being all like "Naw. Thanks." (It makes me feel like shit under normal circumstances. I'm just not a drinker.)

But the meals? Dear GOD. It was weekend gluttony galore. The scale probably won't drop this week and it will be all my fault. I was treated to a pancake breakfast by one set of friends, a gyro lunch by another (on a different day) and then a huge, home-made Italian meal by another. I was GUZZLING water and sweating my ass off. Oh my farking god. THE SWEAT WAS UNREAL. I don't think I've had enough carbs (not even the cupcake) to really bring the heat. I ate that one cupcake and, sure, I was hot. But I wasn't like THIS. I was just soooo hot. Thankfully, a cold front blew through our region and while everyone was whining and bitching about being cold, I was practically stripping. ROFLMAO.

In other news, measurements and weigh in on Wednesday. But as of right now, the fat loss is finally starting to move downward. LOL. My shoulders and arms have slimmed up some and now, the top of my ribcage is starting to look a little more refined. Even with the pig out episiode (which will NOT be repeated), I'm still looking trim.

Again, my one disapointment so far has been the size of my arms. I was a little surprised that they turned out to have less muscle mass than I thought. That's totally fine, but I was just really surprised that I didn't have these big hulking arms. ROFLMAO.

Now, if that would just happen to my legs. . .

 

[Osmanthus]

WEEK 3 MEASUREMENTS:

I used the same measuring tape (cloth) and took each measurement three times.

LAST WEEK'S MEASUREMENTS
140 lb
BICEPS: 11 in. (I don't want them to get any smaller, though - w/ all the work I'm doing, I thought they'd be bigger. Ha.)
CHEST / RIBS (i.e. not Boobs) 31.5 in. (I'm normally 32)
CHEST/BOOBS 33.5 (I'm normally 34 and then some.)
ABDOMEN / 2 in above Belly Button 27 inches
ABDOMEB / AT BELLY BUTTON 29.5 inches ! (Yes. Seriously.)
HIPS / AT HIP BONE 33
HIPS / AT MONSTER SADDLE BAGS 40 / no change.
QUADS / 4 inches above knee 17.5 ( a welcome change)

This morning: (changes marked in bold)
137 lbs
BICEPS: 11 in.
CHEST / RIBS (i.e. not Boobs) 30 in.
CHEST/BOOBS 33.5
ABDOMEN / 2 in above Belly Button 27 inches
ABDOMEB / AT BELLY BUTTON 29.5 inches ! (Yes. Seriously.)
HIPS / AT HIP BONE 33
HIPS / AT MONSTER SADDLE BAGS 39.1
QUADS / 4 inches above knee 17.5

Such is the weirdness of DNP. One day, the scale won't move, but my measurements are better. The next, the scale drops bigtime and the measurements don't seem to change all too much.

What confuses me about the measurements is that my clothes ARE getting looser all the time. I've got a skirt and a pair of paints that I bought a week or two before I started the DNP. They're falling off of me. So, I don't know what to think about the measurements.

If I sound disapointed, I'm not. Let me tell you, prior to this, I've done everything I can think of to lose "the last ten" and NADA. I've HIIT'ed and lifted myself to death. I've eaten more, I've eaten less, I don't drink, I generally (my birthday aside) don't eat processed ANYTHING. So, I can tell you, some women might look at this log and decide that the way and at the rate that I'm doing this is for the birds; that the risks aren't worth it. But as someone who has done every single thing within her power (including get tested for thyroid issues, wheat allergies, was given SPEED by her doctor, etc., etc.), I'm saying that this is absolutely worth the expense and the "sides." If you haven't read from the beginning, the only sides that hit me were an early rash that went away with Benadryl (which I haven't taken for weeks now), incredible thirst and a being a little warmer than everyone else. The one side that is starting to bother me a little is how I feel while I'm working out. The guys in the "How Not to FK up on DNP" were right - you can't possibly be using your usual numbers. I'm down to ZERO cardio (which is fine, because cardio is the bane of my friggin existence), but my workouts do not have the intensity they once did. And that's fine. I jump right back into it after this cycle.

So, if you're a woman and you're either 1) thinking of trying DNP or 2) taking DNP and don't feel that it's "working" because you've read that men have lost x pounds to your measly y pounds, I'd say give it a better chance. I really like this long-term, low dose thing. I can go to work, I can clean my house, I can function - now, if I were taking 400 mgs a day, could I? I don't think so.

The original plan was for me to run 200 mg for a few weeks and then jump to 300. Well, I'm not so sure I'm going to make the jump to 300. I keep talking about it, but I'm so damn pleased with what's happening at 200, that I'm not sure I even want to bother.

Oh - and ladies, I can tell you one thing, despite my weight going down, I cannot express exactly how much water I am retaining. I can FEEL the bloat. So, it's quite possible that I've lost much more than 6 pounds in 3 weeks.

 

[Osmanthus]

Had an interesting workout this morning! I felt a little weak and VERY winded. I'm fine when I'm sitting still or just walking around the office, but the minute I start exerting any effort, I get winded. Sheesh.

Lower V2
Straight Leg Deadlifts - 85 lbs 1x6, 2x4
Bulgarian Split Squats w/ Dumbells - 40 (20 in each hand) lb 3x10
Calves 1 set of 30

Reverse Lunges 40lbs - 3x15
Walking Lunges - 40lbs 3x20
Calves 1 set of 30

Pile Squat - 50lbs 3x10
Box Lunge/Squat Combo 40lbs 3x10 (this was HARD because this exercise is a little more fast-paced and I get winded from it under normal circumstances. Shit.)
Calves 1 set of 30

And I was FUCKING EXHAUSTED. (Can I say that on here? Fucking?)

With the exception of the birthday weekend carb-fest, and the workout exhaustion, I am absolutely fine.

Now, what I cannot decide is this:

1. If I'll do three more weeks on the DNP, take a break and get some hard workouts in and then run another cycle or;
2. Extend the cycle and just GET IT OVER WITH and start rebuilding from there.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

Also - I cannot stress enough to anyone (especially women) reading this: I know the progress seems slow. . . especially when you've been reading about people dropping 5 pounds a week or whatever. But I am VERY pleased with how this is turning out for me. I have a few complaints, but the complaints have more to do with my body than the DNP itself.

I wasn't going to get on the scale today. . .but I did. It was 135! Now, I know there is no possible way that I lost two pounds in two days - so I am chalking it up to water weight (the 137) and that could change at any time. I'll go eat something, guzzle a gallon of water, chew on a salt lick and BAM - be right back up to 137.

But I don't give a shit. I'm FINALLY under 140.

 

[ericraven2003]

WEEK 3 MEASUREMENTS:

I used the same measuring tape (cloth) and took each measurement three times.



This morning: (changes marked in bold)
137 lbs
BICEPS: 11 in.
CHEST / RIBS (i.e. not Boobs) 30 in.
CHEST/BOOBS 33.5
ABDOMEN / 2 in above Belly Button 27 inches
ABDOMEB / AT BELLY BUTTON 29.5 inches ! (Yes. Seriously.)
HIPS / AT HIP BONE 33
HIPS / AT MONSTER SADDLE BAGS 39.1
QUADS / 4 inches above knee 17.5

Such is the weirdness of DNP. One day, the scale won't move, but my measurements are better. The next, the scale drops bigtime and the measurements don't seem to change all too much.

What confuses me about the measurements is that my clothes ARE getting looser all the time. I've got a skirt and a pair of paints that I bought a week or two before I started the DNP. They're falling off of me. So, I don't know what to think about the measurements.

If I sound disapointed, I'm not. Let me tell you, prior to this, I've done everything I can think of to lose "the last ten" and NADA. I've HIIT'ed and lifted myself to death. I've eaten more, I've eaten less, I don't drink, I generally (my birthday aside) don't eat processed ANYTHING. So, I can tell you, some women might look at this log and decide that the way and at the rate that I'm doing this is for the birds; that the risks aren't worth it. But as someone who has done every single thing within her power (including get tested for thyroid issues, wheat allergies, was given SPEED by her doctor, etc., etc.), I'm saying that this is absolutely worth the expense and the "sides." If you haven't read from the beginning, the only sides that hit me were an early rash that went away with Benadryl (which I haven't taken for weeks now), incredible thirst and a being a little warmer than everyone else. The one side that is starting to bother me a little is how I feel while I'm working out. The guys in the "How Not to FK up on DNP" were right - you can't possibly be using your usual numbers. I'm down to ZERO cardio (which is fine, because cardio is the bane of my friggin existence), but my workouts do not have the intensity they once did. And that's fine. I jump right back into it after this cycle.

So, if you're a woman and you're either 1) thinking of trying DNP or 2) taking DNP and don't feel that it's "working" because you've read that men have lost x pounds to your measly y pounds, I'd say give it a better chance. I really like this long-term, low dose thing. I can go to work, I can clean my house, I can function - now, if I were taking 400 mgs a day, could I? I don't think so.

The original plan was for me to run 200 mg for a few weeks and then jump to 300. Well, I'm not so sure I'm going to make the jump to 300. I keep talking about it, but I'm so damn pleased with what's happening at 200, that I'm not sure I even want to bother.

Oh - and ladies, I can tell you one thing, despite my weight going down, I cannot express exactly how much water I am retaining. I can FEEL the bloat. So, it's quite possible that I've lost much more than 6 pounds in 3 weeks.

Have you tried GH? I put my wife on it about a month a go and she is already starting to see fat loss. GH workded wonders for fat loss for me too, in combintation with DNP.

 

[Osmanthus]

Nope. I haven't tried that yet. I really don't know a whole lot about it. I haven't looked into it at all.

Today was an off day for the DNP - and I think I was starting to get dehydrated. My urine was super dark. So, I've been back on my water schedule, whether I'm thirsty or not. AND, I was really, really puffy today. Water retention plus not drinking enough water = bloaty and stupid. [)]

 

[moedank]

Great log so far...

doing great girl