DNP Query

nightwolf

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Hey guys,

Would like some guidance here.

My friend got some DNP tabs from a source here, we had compared it to one procured from Qsc. Qsc provides the raw powder version that when dried combusts as it should. The one that our friend got from a source here just burns. When he consumed it, he feels warm, he has lost some weight on it so it does work. Compared to the QSC one which make you hot and requires an AC blowing on you.

Screenehots here:
- the one lit with the matchstick explodes QSC deeper yellow almost orange
- the one on fire is the alternate source. Yellow.

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Our question:
- is this a different type of DNP?

I don't want to name the other source until I know more, could be legit. Another friend said that it's a 'DNP like' molecule.

Thanks for your time.
 
Guys, as much as I'd like to continue the GLP talk....But the DNP question still stands.

I need input on the DNP question, been sidetracked. Who best to talk to for this @DECLAN @iris @Astartes. I need some solid data on it lol.

It could be diluted, but then wouldn't it have like small sparks when ignited rather than burn?

I haven't been able to find any scientific data on a different "type of DNP"



One other thing. Assuming you're in the US, and not getting these meds from your doc because insurance doesn't cover them.

Get your doctor to prescribe something for weight loss, even if it's just Metformin. Then attribute your weight loss to it.

You may find you'll want skin reduction. surgery after you lose all that weight. While plastic surgery isn't usually covered by insurance as cosmetic, if you lose 50+ pounds and tell them the excess skin is causing discomfort or difficult to keep clean, they'll pay for the operation.
 
One other thing. Assuming you're in the US, and not getting these meds from your doc because insurance doesn't cover them.

Get your doctor to prescribe something for weight loss, even if it's just Metformin. Then attribute your weight loss to it.

You may find you'll want skin reduction. surgery after you lose all that weight. While plastic surgery isn't usually covered by insurance as cosmetic, if you lose 50+ pounds and tell them the excess skin is causing discomfort or difficult to keep clean, they'll pay for the operation.
Fair point, I've been looking into them (metformin, tesofensine, etc). I'll just get them from our mutual pharma meds source lol. I'll try some ghkcu for the lost skin before considering surgery, depending on how bothered by the skin I'd be lol. Appreciate the advice though.
 
Man I've heard some stories about some drugs sourced from UGL labs....could be something else causing the warm reaction. Any info you could provide would be helpful, the diluted theory makes sense to a point, but I'm wondering if there might be something more.
I am pretty sure there is still a huge DNP thread on this website, you might find your answer in there somewhere
 
The most I've found is on dosing inaccuracy, not much on "type of DNP" maybe "bunk DNP", I'll share this in one of those threads and see who takes the bait, thanks :)
This is the thread
Credit to the gods that wrote this... :)

HOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html (2,4-Dinitrophenol | Technology Transfer Network Air Toxics Web site | US EPA) reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

Cyberiron.com reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don?t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you?re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

Biosource A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know?it?s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as?2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out?DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure?"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it?s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer?fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.

"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it?s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity?"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP?s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates?or disrupts?cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol? DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect?"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation ? 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.
 
Man I've heard some stories about some drugs sourced from UGL labs....could be something else causing the warm reaction. Any info you could provide would be helpful, the diluted theory makes sense to a point, but I'm wondering if there might be something more.

Yes, this turned into a glp thing because they were mentioned.
Back to you OP, you guys please read op's intro

@pipo
@exilol
 
@nightwolf

Considering your starting point, my recommendation would be to stick with glps until you get down to around 20-25% bf.

Then you can implement other fat loss tools when you stall and can’t get down further in caloric deficit without affecting your sanity or lifestyle greatly.

As for your dnp being real or not, the only way to actually find out is to get it tested or buy a batch tested by your vendor. You can also check if the powder stains everything like a mofo lol. The burn test you have done is also viable.

You can also ask over at the vendors thread if there other people who used it.
 
@nightwolf

Considering your starting point, my recommendation would be to stick with glps until you get down to around 20-25% bf.

Then you can implement other fat loss tools when you stall and can’t get down further in caloric deficit without affecting your sanity or lifestyle greatly.

As for your dnp being real or not, the only way to actually find out is to get it tested or buy a batch tested by your vendor. You can also check if the powder stains everything like a mofo lol. The burn test you have done is also viable.

You can also ask over at the vendors thread if there other people who used it.

Fair, I didn't wanna go drop a bomb on sigma without some info first. I'll talk to my friend who purchased it to see if he'd be down with posting on their thread. I know how much a post like this could hurt them so trying to go about it as carefully as I can.

Edit: also, testing is expensive for us peasants, I'm sure they'd credit the test costs but if there is someone who sheds light on this. That would save time and money all the way.
 
OP, why did you buy the powder, anyway?
I think that's mad, tbh.
How are you weighing that?

Declan was right in telling you to ask other people who may have bought from the same sources you used.
There was another guy that had a thread, who bought tabs, but it was not from Sigma.

Also, there was someone else, whose name I do not know, that had a thread about doing a dnp protocol thing and he was sponsored by a source (not on Meso, iirc).
 
OP, why did you buy the powder, anyway?
I think that's mad, tbh.
How are you weighing that?

Declan was right in telling you to ask other people who may have bought from the same sources you used.
There was another guy that had a thread, who bought tabs, but it was not from Sigma.

Also, there was someone else, whose name I do not know, that had a thread about doing a dnp protocol thing and he was sponsored by a source (not on Meso, iirc).

Valid question, Friend bought it for the sake of convenience, DNP is annoying to make. Generally, just weigh some of the tabs and powder in them and look for any variance in them. Stick to ~200 mg when using, DNP tabs seem to be wildly inaccurate so seems like a lot of vendors shy away from producing them. Could just be underdosed/diluted DNP, or a different molecule.

Maybe our questioning would help save someone else in the future so yea lol
 
Fair, I didn't wanna go drop a bomb on sigma without some info first. I'll talk to my friend who purchased it to see if he'd be down with posting on their thread. I know how much a post like this could hurt them so trying to go about it as carefully as I can.

Edit: also, testing is expensive for us peasants, I'm sure they'd credit the test costs but if there is someone who sheds light on this. That would save time and money all the way.
Don’t worry about negativity around posting in a vendors thread, as long as you’re being honest there is no problem. You might be called a dumbass for not doing your due diligence but members will generally support you get a satisfactory resolution.

Pushing vendors to test their products benefits both customers and themselves.
 
Don’t worry about negativity around posting in a vendors thread, as long as you’re being honest there is no problem. You might be called a dumbass for not doing your due diligence but members will generally support you get a satisfactory resolution.

Pushing vendors to test their products benefits both customers and themselves.
Declan with the comforting words :D
 
It's true, though.
If we are encouraged to hold sources accountable, your feedback and experience with what you buy is part of the process.
Good or bad, it's always better (for everyone concerned) if things are brought to light.
I agree, I'll post a reply on sigma in this case compiling everything here. Wanted to avoid the "if problems, contact your rep" or "if doubt, test and we credit you 100%" replies from them lol. But this should be enough due dilligence
 
Hey guys,

Would like some guidance here.

My friend got some DNP tabs from a source here, we had compared it to one procured from Qsc. Qsc provides the raw powder version that when dried combusts as it should. The one that our friend got from a source here just burns. When he consumed it, he feels warm, he has lost some weight on it so it does work. Compared to the QSC one which make you hot and requires an AC blowing on you.

Screenehots here:
- the one lit with the matchstick explodes QSC deeper yellow almost orange
- the one on fire is the alternate source. Yellow.

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Our question:
- is this a different type of DNP?

I don't want to name the other source until I know more, could be legit. Another friend said that it's a 'DNP like' molecule.

Thanks for your time.
my Only logical explanation here without having more context is that typically DNP is transported " wetted " meaning it has some moisture to it in order to make it more stable / less prone to combust especially during transit. I have personally used QSC one which comes around 15 % wetted if I am not mistaken.

That said my opinion would be to buy a Milligram scale and weigh out all your caps prior to taking - for a size 3 cap which is the one typically used for 200 mg caps - you are looking at around a 25-30 mg over weight allowance - as the cap itself weighs that much - so if your dose should be 200 mg / cap - the CAPPED TOTAL weight should not exceed 230 mg .. DNP is one of those few ones that you'll know if you have DNP or not ... if he is getting results from what he is doing then there is no need to over analyze the combustion of it .. EVEN if it has some filler making it less potent or whatever - does it matter? he is after result X - and he is getting exactly that - the problem would be if he decides to take more .... Long story short - variance in combustion is not a reliable measure of quality / quantitive purity
 
Fair, I didn't wanna go drop a bomb on sigma without some info first. I'll talk to my friend who purchased it to see if he'd be down with posting on their thread. I know how much a post like this could hurt them so trying to go about it as carefully as I can.

Edit: also, testing is expensive for us peasants, I'm sure they'd credit the test costs but if there is someone who sheds light on this. That would save time and money all the way.
Send it for purity testing. Without a valid test result that shows that is low purity/overdosed the only bomb you are going to drop is on you ass and it will be a collective bitch slap from the forum
 
Not a shot at you but for some people clen or other stims are dangerous too, dnp is another option as long as you’re informed.

For the past decade there are already a huge amount of articles on safe usage that nobody should be going to the hospital for it.

There are safer options out there of course but I am just pointing out that we should not blame the drug for the stupidity of the user.
Not taking it personnaly I understand your pov, let me explain better :
I didn't say salbutamol or clen is not dangerous but ofc people have to know if they have hearth problem anyway salbutamol is soft (6 hours) and clen harder (36 hours), if you haven't hearth problem it's not gonna kill you (with low dose ofc) if you start slowly in dosage you see if any problem, the DNP thing is depending in timing it unregulate too much your body is a variable you can't control (like insulin if bad use) i agree with you people do stupid things and have problems or die but in my pov certain molecules are safer, salbutamol and clen is used for asthma, DNP are prohibited in many countries and it recognized as a crime against humanity molecule because of all dead in medical use
 
Man I've heard some stories about some drugs sourced from UGL labs....could be something else causing the warm reaction. Any info you could provide would be helpful, the diluted theory makes sense to a point, but I'm wondering if there might be something more.
If it comes from QSC they do great work and I haven't any problem only underdosing sometimes,
What can happen is they buy the powder and it's not DNP inside (less used than other products), the only thing you can do is to test it,
Anyway yes UGL can be scary, doing mixing in their toilets, putting Testo instead of others things like primo,
A few years ago I had test from Jane a new sources, all of their vials contains virus at a high percent, you know why some people say their injection make red spot inflation, terrible pain and redness (not talking about PIP)
 
Valid question, I'm not the one using it so can't say. However, from what I do know from my friend who is waaaay more diciplined than myself and the other guy. He's on tirz, dnp, ecaa, 2+hrs of cardio a day, less than 1800 calories a day and dropping almost a lb a day. DNP (if used correctly) is the best weight loss pill hands down. So it's more a question of "how fast do I wanna lose this weight". Also, allows him to keep the tirz dose low as he gets to his goal faster.
What's the point of losing 1lb a day?
 
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