Do you plan to blast in old age (40+)?

48 here, just ran 16 weeks of Test C and Tren E at relatively high dose in each. I'm going to cruise for a few months and let things settle. Kept blood pressure in check with Entresto. No issues, except I'm ready to blast again, I already miss it :p
 
44 yrs old myself, been on TRT for the past 12 or 13 years and have cycled since I was 19 years old (mostly on more than off) I do not tolerate orals well at all anymore, even anavar gives me constant heartburn like a motherfucker!

With that being said, I get regular labwork done and labs usually look pretty decent. My argument to blasting as we get over 40 isn’t necessarily health concerns but it’s HOW MUCH I get from it anymore over just running TRT with maybe a side here and there such as primo or NPP, along with low dose HGH. The size game pretty much closed to an end a few years ago and at this point it’s more abt maintaining a leaner physique and keeping healthy, something that doesn’t require massive amounts of gear. So at this point for myself it’s really just quality compounds like primo, test, masteron, HGH, maybe a little nandrolone from time to time (I love NPP!)
 
rosuvastatin/ezetimibe/bempedoic acid on the way to help with cholesterol control when I run it again.

if your interest in lipid management is constrained to being on cycle this stack may be a little heavy handed. This presumes that off cycle your lipids are pretty good.
 
if your interest in lipid management is constrained to being on cycle this stack may be a little heavy handed. This presumes that off cycle your lipids are pretty good.

Lipids are usually pretty good. I’d have to go back and look at old bloodwork to see what the numbers were but generally slightly above mid range on HDL and LDL.

I’ve got bloodwork coming up in 3 weeks to see where I am on my current protocol.

If that stack is heavy handed what would you recommend? Trying one at a time and if that isn’t dropping LDL enough then add in another? Halving the dosage on all three?

Last year is the first time I’ve ever even considered BP and lipid management but now I realize how important they are.
 
WTH? 40 is old age???
Ok, 45 here, tons of research, I stay on trt at 120 mg week and once maybe twice a year I do what I think is best benefit to risk ratio: test prop 150 EOD x 8 weeks, that’s it. Look good, feel good. Calcium score zero. Cholesterol great. Only issue is blood pressure which is controlled with telmisartan.
Unrelated.

Are the tits on your icon shopped or the real deal.
 
If that stack is heavy handed what would you recommend? Trying one at a time and if that isn’t dropping LDL enough then add in another? Halving the dosage on all three?

To be fair, it’s probably fine, but not something I would generally recommend as an ancillary for every cycle without a little information specific tot he person. Everyone that I’ve recommended this to on this forum has already expressed a concern about their lipid panel. With no other family history or indications of ASCVD, I like to see LDL-C below 100mg/dL and if you can measure ApoB under 80mg/dL and since you’re checking ApoB check Lp(a) as well.

In terms of interventions, I wouldn’t mess with the dose of ezetimibe ot bempedoic acid. Either take them or don’t. I’ve gone through the literature and there’s little to suggest how an alternate dose might behave. Rosuvastatin and statins in general have a lot more data available on the range of doses one can take and are also often prescribed at various doses whereas the other two compounds are always prescribed at 10mg and 180mg for ezetimibe and bempedoic acid respectively.

I’m term of potential for adverse side effects, I think I’d go from most to least benign. Ezetimibe is about as harmless as they come and will give a mild reduction in lipids. Bempedoic acid is next, I think, but it’s also a much newer compound. There are some minor adverse side effects that are rare and the onerous looking “tendon rupture” which only occurs when coupled with with a very high dose of atorvastatin. This presumes one can get bempedoic acid easily.

If those two don’t yield the desired reduction I would then throw in Rosuvastatin at 5mg unless there’s still a substantial reduction needed, in which case 10mg. If that all doesn’t do the trick then consider Repatha.

Rosuvastatin has a lot of data and is generally regarded to be very safe. It’s true that some people have side effects and when they occur, it seems they can be pretty rough. If someone has substantial risk profile already then I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend a statin, but for use as an ancillary, I would avoid it unless needed.
 
I see you are considering a or b.

I would rather do c.

One good cut (good meaning well planned and making progress each week) for 12 weeks of gear that you commence a month before the cycle, meaning 16 weeks total of cutting.

It will be life changing in your mid-late 40s to be single digit body fat when the weather warms up in the south, and when you are shirtless your wife will be quite pleased with the outcome regardless of her reservations. Lean man with narrow waist beats climbing into bed with a typical puffy, middle-aged steroid dude.
Well said, can you outline such a regimen? You are saying thin down for 4 weeks just using trt, then do a cutting blast of 12 weeks?
 
Well said, can you outline such a regimen? You are saying thin down for 4 weeks just using trt, then do a cutting blast of 12 weeks?
c. A good cutting cycle leading into the warm weather season. Get lean, like single digit body fat percentage lean.

Random Google search return. 15.6%, 10.6%, Dexa scan, 8% guess



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Get down to single digits as a middle aged man, and you will have no peers.
 
c. A good cutting cycle leading into the warm weather season. Get lean, like single digit body fat percentage lean.

Random Google search return. 15.6%, 10.6%, Dexa scan, 8% guess



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Get down to single digits as a middle aged man, and you will have no peers.
Any tips or guidelines? Like 300 test and 25 oxandrolone for 12 weeks? With 5-700 caloric restriction per day? How much protein, calories? I’ve always been consumed with mass so I never cut once but looks like a geat idea!
 
Ah, simpler than that.

This is not a complicated process, so there is no need to complicate it.

(1) Which hormones are not so important - I know, heresy. You just need a hormone signal to tell your body to hang on to muscle. Most of the choice of hormones you see on sites like this one or from bodybuilders have to do with getting rid of water at the end of the cutting in preparation for being on stage. That really does not have anything to do with the cut itself. I have started a cut on testosterone and deca, because I did not care about water at the commencement of the cut. I just cared about a hormone signal to the muscle while I went about cutting the fat.

(2) You need intense resistance training.

(3) You need sufficient protein.

Protein, training, and hormones (three things) tell your body to hold on to muscle even while calories decrease. Don't pull any of these three legs out from your three legged stool.

Then weigh or measure and track everything you eat and drink, consistently, every day. Get your calories set on a certain level and stay there for a week. Keep protein high, fats low, and adjust the carbs as needed. The amount of carbs at the start is not too terribly important, but get sufficient carbs for the first week.

Progress measuring tools - 2 or 3: Measuring tape around the waist, up by the bellybutton (not down where your pants sit), and weight on the scale (in the morning after peeing before eating or drinking). If you want to really see the difference in real time, add a third thing, photos of mandatory poses in good lighting.

At the end of one week step on the scale.

Did your weight increase, decrease, or stay the same? If it decreased 1.5-2 pounds change nothing and go another week.

If it stayed the same, pull some carbs and/or add a little cardio. Nothing drastic. Make small changes. You are looking for a trend of maybe 1.5-2 pounds weekly.

Pulling carbs - a little at a time. If you hold carbs stead each day, then it is easy to pull small amounts of rice or potatoes from each meal. Keep carbs around workout time if you have to decide to pull more from certain meals at some point. If you cycle carbs, all that is important is the weekly carb count and calorie count. You can still have some high days in the cycle, just make sure that you adjust carbs in your cycle for the one week period so that the number goes down for the week (if an adjustment is needed because you did not drop weight that week).

Cardio - a good idea no matter what. You can add days, add duration, increase the intensity. Cardio gives you another variable to play with. No need to go crazy with it at first.

If your weight went up, don't panic. Just take a look at your diet and cardio and decide what small changes to make. Do not make major changes week to week. They will add up to major changes over the next 12-16 weeks.

Also, be aware of water weight if you have been off of all hormones and are just starting them. It is normal to add a few pounds of glycogen and water right at the start.

If you lost more than 2 pounds, consider adding some carbs back in each day to slow down your process. You cut too many or are doing too much cardio or both.

If you added weight or stayed the same but your measuring tape objectively tells you that your waist is significantly smaller, then change nothing, as your progress is still going in the right direction. Photos can be useful in making this determination as well.

Stay on a general trend of 1.5-2 pounds a week.

Adjust nutrition and cardio as needed. Keep protein high <--- this by itself means a lot of food, eggs plus 2 or 2.5 pounds of meat.

In order to keep fats low you may need to substitute some things you normally eat. For instance, cheeseburgers are not going to be on the menu daily. LOL. Eggs in the morning, whereas you might have been eating 6-8 eggs, you are going to need to decrease the number of eggs (fat in the yolks) and add egg whites as a replacement to get the protein back up to around 50 grams for breakfast (as it should be up around there at every meal).

Resist the urge to fill the protein requirement with whey protein shakes, but if there is going to be a gap in your daily nutrition one day due to travel or whatever, by all means it is better to drink a shake than go without the protein. But plan your meals and pack them with you and you will find this is rarely the case. I only really use the stuff for something at the end of a workout or to fill a gap due to travel or other stuff getting in the way of meals.

Small tweaks each week and only as needed. Keep your weight training intensity up.

It is really, really simple to do, but harder to implement because beer and cheeseburgers are awesome.

I highly recommend the photos in mandatory poses and good lighting (in addition to weighing and a tailor's tape around the waist at the belly button area) because they will reveal your condition with no BS or excuses or flattery, and you can compare the progress you are making from the beginning to the end.
 
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