Wanna look like a physique competitors? Why you'll probably have to take more than them

[BigTomJ]

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Meso-Rx Thread: Forums » Anabolic Steroids & Performance Enhancement » Steroid Forum » Type-IIx's Coaching: Results from ovmmds, kain

I get why you did this, I would have probably done similar.
But having to scroll past that every time you post is going to lose its novelty pretty quick.

 

[laclark89]

Did Seth die as a high schooler? Or later in life?

In high school. I’m sure it was not just gear something that would have happened anyway, but what high schooler checks blood pressure or controls it?

 

[malfeasance]

Putting age aside, I'd argue it doesn't matter whether I up the dose to 500 mg/week consistently or 5000 mg/week, the structure/genes will never be there.

Maybe not, but 500mg/week will limit you to a certain size.

I believe in maxing out what you can do for each dose, and not starting out with grams of gear, but let's be realistic. There is a dose/size relationship, if all else is equal.

but I've come to terms with genes setting the bar when it comes to really getting somewhere in competitive BB. A pretty successful NPC nationals competitor (actually beat Jay Cutler at the Nationals) took a quick look at me in the 90s and concluded as much..."kid, stick to basketball".

That's too bad. He really has no way to know looking at a natty kid what he can do.

Genetic potential is so much more than just showing up looking like a bodybuilder when a natural teenager.

 

[readalot]

That's too bad. He really has no way to know looking at a natty kid what he can do.

For my case, he nailed it pretty well though lol.

Great points.

 

[readalot]

Good summary of my various AAS experiences.

I captured my various sizes with and without AAS. Will just keep competing with myself.

 

[Type-IIx]

I get why you did this, I would have probably done similar.
But having to scroll past that every time you post is going to lose its novelty pretty quick.

Oh yeah, I tried this for like 3 posts. I couldn't look at it myself, either.

Hopefully people realize it'd be shorter if I hadn't done much, too, though.

 

[ve79]

gotta be 310lbs lean on the biohacking trt dose i saw on an influencer video!

i'm just a shitty recreational lifter, i'll never compete or look big (and i'm old)


most guys who get into gear are older, taller, and think they can look like their favorite influencer with worthless microdoses

i'm simply making the point that it's not going to happen, they won't even get close, without large doses and years of blasting

I agree with you to some extent. I believe if you have been training since highschool and built a good foundation then took peds later in life you can get great gains of course also having a good diet. On the other hand most idiots think taking anabolics is the going to change there life and not have eat right a just blast because they think more is better and all they did was increase estrogen water it's a sad sight

 

[Type-IIx]

already when you read "We got normal height guys who are 6'2+", you understand very well that this guy is in disillusionment with social networks.

6'2+ is not even 5% of the population.

but if it's your only option to demean the other 95%, because you have nothing but your height.

I understand.

OP’s first utterance about 5’9” midgets led me to not read the post. The average man’s height globally is 5’7.5”. I also disagree that people need highest doses than a bodybuilding competitor. Fundamentally the NPC is made up of average folks that just do extraordinary things by their decisions.

 

[Juicedhead]

It’s genetics bro there are pros who use very little and have never used a lot it’s just their genetics are god like. For example Samson I bet uses not much gear and probably never has up until recently he just doesn’t need to his genetics are so good. Then you have someone like nick walker who I think probably uses more than any pro right now, it’s just genetics. That’s just my theory anyway idk what these guys use obviously but genetics will determine how much gear you need to use. Some guys need grams some guys need less but end of the day you will have to use whatever is needed whether it’s more or less.

 

[laclark89]

It’s genetics bro there are pros who use very little and have never used a lot it’s just their genetics are god like. For example Samson I bet uses not much gear and probably never has up until recently he just doesn’t need to his genetics are so good. Then you have someone like nick walker who I think probably uses more than any pro right now, it’s just genetics. That’s just my theory anyway idk what these guys use obviously but genetics will determine how much gear you need to use. Some guys need grams some guys need less but end of the day you will have to use whatever is needed whether it’s more or less.

I agree with genetics , but I’ve also heard serious people who knew him for years Ronnie Colman had the constitution of a bull and could just handle way more drugs and food than anyone els.

Personally I can only handle half the drugs and food as most of u guys do, and minus the genetics.

U been hiding under a rock lately or been of cycle or injured lol?

 

[laclark89]

OP’s first utterance about 5’9” midgets led me to not read the post. The average man’s height globally is 5’7.5”. I also disagree that people need highest doses than a bodybuilding competitor. Fundamentally the NPC is made up of average folks that just do extraordinary things by their decisions.

The smallest woman in my family is like 5’8
My mom was 5”11 and size 10 1/2 mans shoes.

I think the average Mr O is 5’8?

 

[bigpoppachump2]

He never said he got on stage with 500mg, nor did he claim to train anybody to get on stage with 500mg.

Go and reread his post. Simply replacing his post with one you made up, and then attacking the one you made up is called a straw man fallacy (because it it easier to knock down a straw man than it is a real man, just like it is easier to knock down the argument you made up than to address BigTomJ's post directly).

Like him, I started out with the standard 500mg testosterone cycle. It worked so well that it is still what I recommend for somebody who is serious and has their diet and training in order (few do) to start.

I am guessing here about BigTomJ, but for me, later, as I grew, doses did need to go up.

There is a lot of room between "microdosing" (whatever that is) and 5 grams of gear to do something that works but is not reckless. There is a size-dose relationship, but you cannot get it all at once, so there is no point to a huge dose cycle to start out. You will have increases side effects and more danger to health but put on no more size than the guy who ran 500mg. Put on some size, and then increase doses as needed to keep making gains.

I am an inch shorter than BigTomJ, but that is still taller than 82% of the population. BigTomJ is taller than 89% of the population. You, sir, are taller than almost everybody. You need 4000 persons in a room to have a statistical likely chance of somebody being the same height.

Maybe that colors your references to men who are the average or median height as "midgets."

5' 9.3" is 50th percentile . . .

Yeah, some guys have better genetics for bodybuilding, waaaah, waaaah.

Everybody can still put on muscle, naturally, and with steroids. No, everybody cannot be Mr. Olympia or even make it to the Olympia stage. Thank you, Mr. Obvious. Until you posted, we had no idea.

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I’d just like to say that I’m happy you’re still around on the board. Your posts are always a good read

 

[laclark89]

I posted this before lol, and mentioned I’m one of the smallest guys in my family, and I can still walk around a grocery store or Costco with 200 people in it and rarely will I see someone tall than me and I’m only 6’3. I think @BigTomJ is 6’1? The taller you are the harder it is to fill out. But when u do it’s more impressive in person. My first mentor in bb told me the same
Thing.

Clarita looks amazing in a magazine lol. But Brian Shaw looks like he can shoulder press both of them, and possibly rip both of their arms off trying.

 

[iris]

and I’m only 6’3.

Only that.
Yes.
You cute, pocket size thing.
I am lacking emojis for this....

Clarita looks amazing in a magazine lol. But Brian Shaw looks like he can shoulder press both of them, and possibly rip both of their arms off trying.

Iirc Clarida is my height (and so your wife's).
Therefore, you can easily imagine what standing next to him would look like, lol.
We need to set up a photo op, honey.
Plaster it all over Meso, pix of the decade.

 

[laclark89]

Only that.
Yes.
You cute, pocket size thing.
I am lacking emojis for this....

I know I’m just a little midget too, lol I feel lesser when I’m around the guys from my family. My baby brother is 6’6.

Back In the day my dad usto make fun of me and say me and the rest of the fam is like Arnold and Danny davito from the movie twins. , I got less sperm and he tryed to pull out. Lmao. cold.

Iirc Clarida is my height (and so your wife's).
Therefore, you can easily imagine what standing next to him would look like, lol.

lol he could breast feed from me standing

 

[iris]

Lol, I am crying

got less sperm and he tryed to pull out. Lmao. cold.

Jesus, he didn't say that.
Making sure you know why you are missing a couple of inches (in height. Stop it).
This is too funny

lol he could breast feed from me standing

Is that also you and your wife's party trick?
#COUPLEGOALS
Birthday parties chez Laclark89 always a blast.

You and Clarida's photo must happen ASAP, I am making merch with it

 

[iris]

@DugPrime

You can stop making a fool of yourself with the string of dislikes you have been giving me just for pointing out your are an ass, hassling Bighunanballs and making fake accusations about him,

U better watch what you are doing

 

[lilhawk]

It’s genetics bro there are pros who use very little and have never used a lot it’s just their genetics are god like. For example Samson I bet uses not much gear and probably never has up until recently he just doesn’t need to his genetics are so good. Then you have someone like nick walker who I think probably uses more than any pro right now, it’s just genetics. That’s just my theory anyway idk what these guys use obviously but genetics will determine how much gear you need to use. Some guys need grams some guys need less but end of the day you will have to use whatever is needed whether it’s more or less.

I agree some use more and some use less, but I seriously doubt that Samson is up there saying "I'm only going to use 3 grams of gear instead of 5 grams because my genetics are superior." No when your livelihood depends on looking a certain way and winning at all costs then you're gonna want to do everything you can to win decisively, and try and blow everyone off the stage. If you think the guys on stage with you are using 20iu if GH and 5 grams of gear then you're not going to use half that and rely on your superior genetics to win. Sure a lot of them will diminish how much they use because they want people to believe they supposedly work harder than everyone else and have superior genetics. Laughable. Then they say they lie or don't disclose their true dosages because they don't want people to copy it and hurt themselves lol. Really? Most, not all, but most of these guys are some of the most self centered insecure individuals you'll ever meet, but all of a sudden they care about someone else hurting themselves? Not hardly. A guy I know very well competed as a top amateur and was going to turn pro years ago and had intimate knowledge of what everyone was doing at it was 4-5g of test just as the base drug then 2 anabolics on top like Primo/Mast and EQ, plus 18iu of Serostim per dayor more GH if it was affordable, and anywhere from 100-200iu total of a combination of Lantus and Humalog per day. What made him give it up was the staggering amount of insulin needed to be competitive. This was the standard off season combo. Preconstest things changed, but you get the idea.

 

[BigTomJ]

I posted this before lol, and mentioned I’m one of the smallest guys in my family, and I can still walk around a grocery store or Costco with 200 people in it and rarely will I see someone tall than me and I’m only 6’3. I think @BigTomJ is 6’1? The taller you are the harder it is to fill out. But when u do it’s more impressive in person. My first mentor in bb told me the same
Thing.
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Clarita looks amazing in a magazine lol. But Brian Shaw looks like he can shoulder press both of them, and possibly rip both of their arms off trying.

6'-6'1 depending on who's measuring, but yeah.

5'9-5'10 is the Goldilocks height for body building

 

[Juicedhead]

I agree some use more and some use less, but I seriously doubt that Samson is up there saying "I'm only going to use 3 grams of gear instead of 5 grams because my genetics are superior." No when your livelihood depends on looking a certain way and winning at all costs then you're gonna want to do everything you can to win decisively, and try and blow everyone off the stage. If you think the guys on stage with you are using 20iu if GH and 5 grams of gear then you're not going to use half that and rely on your superior genetics to win. Sure a lot of them will diminish how much they use because they want people to believe they supposedly work harder than everyone else and have superior genetics. Laughable. Then they say they lie or don't disclose their true dosages because they don't want people to copy it and hurt themselves lol. Really? Most, not all, but most of these guys are some of the most self centered insecure individuals you'll ever meet, but all of a sudden they care about someone else hurting themselves? Not hardly. A guy I know very well competed as a top amateur and was going to turn pro years ago and had intimate knowledge of what everyone was doing at it was 4-5g of test just as the base drug then 2 anabolics on top like Primo/Mast and EQ, plus 18iu of Serostim per dayor more GH if it was affordable, and anywhere from 100-200iu total of a combination of Lantus and Humalog per day. What made him give it up was the staggering amount of insulin needed to be competitive. This was the standard off season combo. Preconstest things changed, but you get the idea.

I wonder how much Ai would be needed on that much test?