does low and controled estrogen really lower prolactin?

My dr. says that this isn't true or it doesn't work as simple as this.

been hearing people saying stane and letro drop estrogen enough that 19 nor's are no longer an issue with prolactin related sides.

and prolactin gyno is a myth, so novadex cant make it worse if treated with nova

any info on this?
 
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While I don't know of a study that's looked at the question of whether, where estradiol and prolactin are both elevated, aromatase inhibitors decrease prolactin, there are a number of studies showing that estradiol can stimulate prolactin production.

For example:

ScienceDirect.com - Molecular and Cellular Endocrinology - Prolactin synthesis in primary cultures of pituitary cells: Regulation by estradiol
Evidence That Autoregulation of Prolactin Production Does Not Occur at the Pituitary Level
Estrogen control of prolactin synthesis in vitro
Prolactin Secretion in vitro
Effects of Estradiol and Progesterone on Plasma Gonadotropins, Prolactin, and LHRH in Specific Brain Areas of Ovariectomized Rats

Btw, as you mentioned tamoxifen with regard to prolactin, interestingly it acts as a weak estrogen agonist (in other words, like an estrogen) with regards to prolactin production.
 
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My dr. says that this isn't true or it doesn't work as simple as this.

been hearing people saying stane and letro drop estrogen enough that 19 nor's are no longer an issue with prolactin related sides.

and prolactin gyno is a myth, so novadex cant make it worse if treated with nova

any info on this?
well i can say from my own experience tht adex sorted out a case of extremely sore nips for me whilst on a low dose of test with a higher dose of tren, i thought i wouldnt need an AI as my test was only at 150mg pw. however, i had to go on adex 2wks in as my nips where getting lumpy and sore and it wiped it within 5 days.
 
My dr. says that this isn't true or it doesn't work as simple as this.

been hearing people saying stane and letro drop estrogen enough that 19 nor's are no longer an issue with prolactin related sides.

and prolactin gyno is a myth, so novadex cant make it worse if treated with nova

any info on this?

From Dr. Scally:

Sodi R, Fikri R, Diver M, Ranganath L, Vora J. Testosterone replacement-induced hyperprolactinaemia: case report and review of the literature. Ann Clin Biochem 2005;42(Pt 2):153-9.

Half of all men with prolactin (PRL)-producing macroadenomas present with hypogonadism, decreased libido and impotence, and therefore require testosterone replacement. However, very little is known about the effect of testosterone on prolactinomas. We report a case of an 18-year-old obese man who presented with hypogonadism and hyperprolactinaemia and underwent a transphenoidal hypophysectomy after a computer tomography scan showed the presence of a suprasellar macroadenoma. On separate occasions, we documented a rise in PRL when testosterone replacement was started and a fall in PRL when testosterone replacement was stopped (r = 0.6090, P = 0.0095). Furthermore, imaging studies suggested the possibility of tumour re-growth after testosterone therapy . We hypothesize that the exogenous testosterone was aromatized to oestradiol, which stimulated the release of PRL by the anterior pituitary. This was supported by the increase in oestradiol levels after testosterone replacement, although statistical significance was not achieved due to the availability of only a few data points. This case highlights the need to be aware of testosterone -replacement-induced hyperprolactinaemia, an under-recognized complication of androgen replacement in this setting. The use of aromatase inhibitors together with testosterone -replacement therapy or the use of non-aromatizable androgens might be indicated in such patients. Taken together, this report and previous studies show that dopamine agonists apparently do not suppress the hyperprolactinaemia induced by testosterone replacement.


Gill-Sharma MK. Prolactin and male fertility: the long and short feedback regulation. Int J Endocrinol 2009;2009:687259.

In the last 20 years, a pituitary-hypothalamus tissue culture system with intact neural and portal connections has been developed in our lab and used to understand the feedback mechanisms that regulate the secretions of adenohypophyseal hormones and fertility of male rats. In the last decade, several in vivo rat models have also been developed in our lab with a view to substantiate the in vitro findings, in order to delineate the role of pituitary hormones in the regulation of fertility of male rats. These studies have relied on both surgical and pharmacological interventions to modulate the secretions of gonadotropins and testosterone . The interrelationship between the circadian release of reproductive hormones has also been ascertained in normal men. Our studies suggest that testosterone regulates the secretion of prolactin through a long feedback mechanism, which appears to have been conserved from rats to humans. These studies have filled in a major lacuna pertaining to the role of prolactin in male reproductive physiology by demonstrating the interdependence between testosterone and prolactin. Systemic levels of prolactin play a deterministic role in the mechanism of chromatin condensation during spermiogenesis.


Gillam MP, Middler S, Freed DJ, Molitch ME. The novel use of very high doses of cabergoline and a combination of testosterone and an aromatase inhibitor in the treatment of a giant prolactinoma J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2002;87(10):4447-51.

Most prolactinomas respond rapidly to low doses of dopamine agonists. Occasionally, stepwise increases in doses of these agents are needed to achieve gradual prolactin (PRL) reductions. Approximately 50% of treated men remain hypogonadal, yet testosterone replacement may stimulate hyperprolactinemia. A 34-yr-old male with a pituitary macroadenoma was found to have a PRL level of 10,362 micro g/liter and testosterone level of 3.5 nmol/liter. Eleven months of dopamine agonist therapy at standard doses lowered PRL levels to 299 micro g/liter. Subsequent stepwise increases in cabergoline (3 mg daily) further lowered PRL levels to 71 micro g/liter, but hypogonadism persisted. Initiation of testosterone replacement resulted in a rise and discontinuation in a fall of PRL levels. Aromatization of exogenous testosterone to estradiol and subsequent estrogen-stimulated PRL release was suspected. Concomitant use of cabergoline with the aromatase inhibitor anastrozole after resuming testosterone replacement resulted in the maintenance of testosterone levels and restoration of normal sexual function, without increasing PRL. Ultimately, further reduction in PRL on this therapy permitted endogenous testosterone production. Thus, novel pharmacological maneuvers may permit successful medical treatment of some patients with invasive macroprolactinomas.


Prior JC, Cox TA, Fairholm D, Kostashuk E, Nugent R. Testosterone -related exacerbation of a prolactin-producing macroadenoma: possible role for estrogen. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1987;64(2):391-4.

Men with PRL-producing macroadenomas often present with hypogonadism and impotence. This report documents exacerbation of a PRL-secreting tumor after two separate 200-mg testosterone enanthate (T) injections despite continued bromocriptine (BRC) therapy. A 37-yr-old man with a 60-mm invasive tumor and a serum PRL level of 13,969 +/- 332 ng/ml (mean +/- SD) responded to BRC therapy with rapid disappearance of visual field defect, headache, and facial pain as well as decrease in serum PRL to 5,103 +/- 1,446 ng/ml. T injection was followed by severe headache, facial pain, and increase in PRL to 13,471 ng/ml. Visual field deterioration and increased tumor size (height, 40-43 mm) by computed tomography were documented. A relationship between T injection and exacerbation of the prolactinoma was not recognized until after a second T injection 3 months later. After that therapy, baseline PRL increased from 6,900 to 12,995 ng/ml. The hypothesis that T was aromatized to estradiol, directly stimulating lactotrophs, was supported by an increase in serum estradiol from 24 to 51 pg/ml after the second T injection . Although T treatment is accepted as appropriate therapy for hypogonadism in men with prolactinomas, it may not only interfere with the response of the tumor to BRC therapy, but even stimulate tumor growth and secretion.
 
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