Yes but the problem is the EQ not other compounds.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Dynamite Raws (International & US Domestic)
- Thread starter ExtremePIP
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Aesthetictech
Member
Yea i figured, that’s why i said FWIW.
I do believe all else has been good.
If you don't mind posting that would be good. I am planning on having some old stuff tested as well as the new stuff. It would be good to make sure no repeats or at least compare. Thanks!
Mathg44
Member
That was from Symbio not Dyn right?
TNotch347
Well-known Member
Yes
@ExtremePIP
From what I have seen from you thus far thru Meso and Discord has always been your level of professionalism, knowledge and customer overall satisfaction with your products.
I don’t believe anyone is questioning your entire line’s product purity, but there has been question in regards to this EQ in particular. Asking anyone and everyone from Meso and Discord to come forward willingly to vouch for your product’s track reputation , as well asking to post labs on any other products in order to justify and more so discredit these two separate lab testing as not accurate does not seem right.
That would be along the same lines if there is an AAS Source selling a whole line of finished oils but one of his customers gets his TestE250 tested let’s say and the results come back under dosed. Imagine the source then turning around saying, “No, this can’t be right, I’ve never had an issue with the quality of my oils, I’ll post up labs for ALL my other oils to prove that this certainly can’t be the case, it’s his word against mine now”
What reason would this source have, to purchase your raws, tamper it, send it off for testing and then get hung with all this underdosed EQ Vials. You stated he wasn’t really interested in a refund, so what logic would make sense.
I’m sure this leaves everything open to speculation on both sides but the fact remains, there were two separate testings done on your EQ Raws, they both came back around the same percentage of purity.
Although no one thinks your personally are in fault for the results, there is a disconnect somewhere, weather it be the shipper or even where the product was compounded. It is something definitely to look into, looking at this from a different perspective rather than be on the defense.
From what I have seen from you thus far thru Meso and Discord has always been your level of professionalism, knowledge and customer overall satisfaction with your products.
I don’t believe anyone is questioning your entire line’s product purity, but there has been question in regards to this EQ in particular. Asking anyone and everyone from Meso and Discord to come forward willingly to vouch for your product’s track reputation , as well asking to post labs on any other products in order to justify and more so discredit these two separate lab testing as not accurate does not seem right.
That would be along the same lines if there is an AAS Source selling a whole line of finished oils but one of his customers gets his TestE250 tested let’s say and the results come back under dosed. Imagine the source then turning around saying, “No, this can’t be right, I’ve never had an issue with the quality of my oils, I’ll post up labs for ALL my other oils to prove that this certainly can’t be the case, it’s his word against mine now”
What reason would this source have, to purchase your raws, tamper it, send it off for testing and then get hung with all this underdosed EQ Vials. You stated he wasn’t really interested in a refund, so what logic would make sense.
I’m sure this leaves everything open to speculation on both sides but the fact remains, there were two separate testings done on your EQ Raws, they both came back around the same percentage of purity.
Although no one thinks your personally are in fault for the results, there is a disconnect somewhere, weather it be the shipper or even where the product was compounded. It is something definitely to look into, looking at this from a different perspective rather than be on the defense.
Mathg44
Member
Same raws?
TNotch347
Well-known Member
Syms Raws from dyna.. if that’s what you’re asking I think.
TNotch347
Well-known Member
Very well said. You guys just need to get to the bottom of it and put your reputation aside and figure out the issue at hand.
So you're saying that the results of the testing provided by Symb are faked?
janoshik
Subscriber
No.
You haven’t read the thread properly, he is referring to another source, refer to post #554 (I believe that source was Trinity)
Which now seems those samples were never sent. Nothing to do with the samples from Sym.
Two different things, slow down and read.
Hi guys,
I have kept everyone owed updated so far, currently just playing the waiting game.
However I would like to address something that has really bothered me. An old customer of mine (a good source that everyone is familiar with) has stated that I have “successfully ripped him off” or something close to that quote. Meaning I intentionally did something to his products, etc.
There are two things I’m proud of, customer service - and the quality of the products sold. I will put it out there myself, the source that he referred to that “had EQ diluted with vegetable oil” is myself. However, I would like to see proof of this “diluted” and tampered with EQ. I have many customers that have bought EQ, please if you guys can post lab tests or your experiences - please do. I will send proof of another customer that ordered EQ on the same week that this source did who had no issues whatsoever.
Also. To clear things up - my domestic shipper only burnt my items to keep himself safe. I never said that he had ever done anything intentionally to harm my business. So if there is any issues with any customer’s EQ, that would directly be my issue. Unless he decided one day, without me knowing to dilute that specific customer’s eq with “vegetable oil” then it is impossible. To put it bluntly; my domestic shipper had no knowledge of AAS either (as in what each steroid did, or which abbreviation stood for which compound) so for him to do something for his personal gain is not plausible.
I have one customer that has ordered basically every compound (besides EQ)and had it tested randomly - i hope he will come forward and post some results.
Also, there are users here that order only from me just because of the quality of my raws. I would like to ask everyone on Discord and Meso to come forward.
Secondly; the accusations came as a surprise because the source and I communicated on Wickr just a week and a half ago. All he expressed was well wishes, and “prayers” that I was not caught up. I even told him that I am waiting for items to touch down to offer him a refund which he responded “don’t worry about me for now; just make sure you’re safe and good”. To turn around and then attack me indirectly was completely unexpected. To think that I would intentionally cheat this source.. if this source goes back in time when he was going through something very serious - he should remember the things I did for him.
I did ask for lab results and did not receive them from said source, I would like to ask all of my customers (many of you) that have bought my EQ, or any other compounds before to send it to the lab and if you already did - please post results.
Also, “excuses” such as being in the hospital have been proved on Discord but I also sent more proof yesterday to a trusted user here and I give that user the liberty to send proof to whoever the user deems necessary.
I have been transparent with everyone with every single event, also labelling these hardships as excuses and lies is pretty sad, as no one wants to deal with the medical issues I was and still am facing. Not to mention, when I was in the hospital, nothing bad happened with an order; in fact I stopped taking many orders because I was very sick. Even when I did take orders, everything was smooth during the time I was in the hospital.
I hope everyone who reads this does not take this as a sign of disrespect - I do want to bring light on this situation.
Otherwise; thank you guys for sticking with me still. i will state again, there are no orders; nor am I accepting any orders anytime soon - until everyone gets what they are owed.
Thank you.
Dyna
I have never ordered EQ from dyna so I can’t comment. Personally, I have gotten the desired results from dynes raws strength, muscle etc. but I realize no one wants a “feelz” report and to be honest I wouldn’t want to hear one from someone else either. With that in mind once I receive what dyna has promised, I plan on having it as well as some older stuff tested. While this doesn’t help with the EQ situation hopefully it would give myself and other members who are sitting on a bunch of his stuff peace of mind to know if this was an isolated incident . A couple that I plan on having tested are raws that are often faked or underdosed so hopefully it will be valuable information.
With regards to "excuses", in fairness to dyna when he was in the hospital I know that personally I received my stuff within 3 days and I know a couple other people who had quick T/A as well, however I can't speak for everyone.
Hopefully Sym and dyna can find a way to fix the situation with the EQ. Sym has emailed me a lot since December with advice and helping me out even when it didn't involve him and he didn't need to. I have a lot of respect for him for that. He will have to confirm but I believe Sym has had some products made using Dynas raws that have tested well, and I am pretty sure he plans on sending a bunch more out for testing in the near future. I understand that this doesn’t help the EQ situation but hopefully he will post soon when he is not busy so that him and dyna can try to find a way to make things right if that is possible.
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What I get for skimming. My apologies
ExtremePIP
Subscriber
No, there are other ways to provide proof.. all emails are deleted after payment. Hence why if you were a customer, you would know that I would have to ask for shipping info everytime. Sometimes I would have to be reminded which customer was which because none of the emails are kept.
Proving this source was my customer doesn't require any personal info.. just his lab tests that he willingly sent to me that could be matched up with a few he posted.
ExtremePIP
Subscriber
I totally understand that, however the way that this played out puts me on the defense. Symbiotics brought this up with me privately but promptly said not to worry about it, I told him I wanted to get to the bottom of it with him on Wickr. He agreed and said he would send me lab tests and told me to be at ease, and try to get my personal stuff together.
However he turned around on his thread to say that "a source (myself) had successfully and deliberately scammed him"; meaning that I have knowledge of this EQ tampering - NPP.
Yes, Sym's claim of his NPP being off colored is the NPP sold to him as well.
I have a customer that ordered from him on the same week, he will perform testing within 2 days on that EQ.
Of course in a "normal" circumstance I would not take this route. I apologize if it does seem unprofessional, however I was/am appalled that Sym would be so kind and cordial on Wickr just to basically give me a slap on the face on MESO. What I mean by that is; the direct accusation and statement that I basically fucked him over on purpose. It would be more understandable if he just said, yes I received EQ from a source thats under dosed. But to accuse me of cheating him on purpose, well that changes a whole lot - speaks loads about character as well. To say something in private and say something else in public.
EQ is on the cheaper side of raws to source, I've been using the same factory since the beginning - I don't understand how throughout all these months of sourcing and selling the same EQ - there is only one complaint. Now, everyone knows the possibilities on both sides. If it was my shipper.. which I myself do not believe to the slightest bit / then I will take responsibility for it.
However as a source, I stand by all my products / as a source should.
If there was ever an issue - I put it out there for everyone to see.
When one customer complained about the effectivness of Cialis - I brought it to everyone's attention - you guys may backtrack to the first few pages.
I keep everything transparent, I will not hide my emotions; I am going to stand by my own statement that the EQ was never tampered with.
I respect those two lab tests, I won't elaborate on what I think could have possibly happened.
My shipper didnt know anything about steroids, he only knew to pack things by the abbreviation I sent to him through Wickr. Not to mention we had a good amount of EQ stocked during the date of sale to Sym, so I don't see the reason for the need of my shipper to dilute the oil to fulfill the order requirement, etc.
I think it's fair to be angry, both parties.. let's not forget I am a human being myself and I will succumb to emotions at least on some occasions. An example of succumbing to my emotions was coming back to this forum to do right by the community. Another example is getting angry at accusations while trying to focus on getting refunds back.
How about this, we process everything - refunds and then we can focus directly on this issue. In my opinion; this has just made things harder for me personally - please I'm asking as a human being, let me handle one thing at a time.
Thanks,
Dyna
EDIT: I am now speaking to Symbiotics again on Wickr, we will handle this and figure out what happened together.
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ExtremePIP
Subscriber
I have talked to Sym and I am waiting on his reply. However, I myself will put this on the backburner for now.
Also, some people may question how I know when so and so ordered, and how I keep logs.
I have a physical notepad that is kept in my personal space, where I handwrite anything important. This allows me to keep track of how much orders were shipped so I can pay my shipper accordingly and any preorders or owed orders. Needless to say, this came in handy when the shit hit the fan.
Because of this notepad, I knew exactly who I owed and at what quantities.
Now let me speak as a human, for those people who have a personal agenda against me - fuck you. For those that stand by me, thank you.
I’m doing my best to do the right thing, i think as a community, Nobody needs the negativity spewed by some users. People like to speculate and attack without evidence, would some of you stop speculating and dragging my name through the mud? We have one user here that has a vendetta against one of my good friend’s on Meso; so in turn this user decides to attack me as well without even knowing a single fact. Then to ridicule my health issues and label my hospital visits as an excuse - an excuse for what? While I was in the hospital, did it allow me to cheat anyone? I just gave a life update and told everyone I would not be as active as usual but I would try my best to accept orders. Nothing went wrong during that time except my own health, so I don’t see how that is labelled as an excuse.
I think I speak for all sources when i say this; we are not robots. We are humans as well - we get sick, we get angry and we face everything that everyone else goes through.
I’ll get personal for a moment, I had a close friend of mine die this summer - it was not a regular death and it felt like I was to blame. I cannot elaborate further due to the possibility of LE and too much personal info... During that time I was still working on starting up Dynamite Raws. I told my partner that this just had happened. My partner gave me 2 hours to mourn, and messaged me to “快点发邮件” or send out emails quickly. I told her I couldn’t even function at the moment, but she didn’t care. I’m just asking for SOME people on this board to have some more understanding.
Nothing is perfect, this isn’t Amazon and this is still considered the illegal drug trade! Things will never always go smoothly, shit happens - looking back at TGI, did anyone expect that freak accident to happen which lead to his arrest? Sources are people too, bad things happen on our end, we have personal lives, it is not only the consumer that takes losses or is inconvenienced.
A big thank you to those that have private messaged me, or showed support directly in this thread. It motivates me to keep doing right by the community, people like those mentioned above just make my job harder. If you have nothing useful to say, then leave it alone.
Thank you, and I love you guys (most of you guys)
,
Dyna
Also, some people may question how I know when so and so ordered, and how I keep logs.
I have a physical notepad that is kept in my personal space, where I handwrite anything important. This allows me to keep track of how much orders were shipped so I can pay my shipper accordingly and any preorders or owed orders. Needless to say, this came in handy when the shit hit the fan.
Because of this notepad, I knew exactly who I owed and at what quantities.
Now let me speak as a human, for those people who have a personal agenda against me - fuck you. For those that stand by me, thank you.
I’m doing my best to do the right thing, i think as a community, Nobody needs the negativity spewed by some users. People like to speculate and attack without evidence, would some of you stop speculating and dragging my name through the mud? We have one user here that has a vendetta against one of my good friend’s on Meso; so in turn this user decides to attack me as well without even knowing a single fact. Then to ridicule my health issues and label my hospital visits as an excuse - an excuse for what? While I was in the hospital, did it allow me to cheat anyone? I just gave a life update and told everyone I would not be as active as usual but I would try my best to accept orders. Nothing went wrong during that time except my own health, so I don’t see how that is labelled as an excuse.
I think I speak for all sources when i say this; we are not robots. We are humans as well - we get sick, we get angry and we face everything that everyone else goes through.
I’ll get personal for a moment, I had a close friend of mine die this summer - it was not a regular death and it felt like I was to blame. I cannot elaborate further due to the possibility of LE and too much personal info... During that time I was still working on starting up Dynamite Raws. I told my partner that this just had happened. My partner gave me 2 hours to mourn, and messaged me to “快点发邮件” or send out emails quickly. I told her I couldn’t even function at the moment, but she didn’t care. I’m just asking for SOME people on this board to have some more understanding.
Nothing is perfect, this isn’t Amazon and this is still considered the illegal drug trade! Things will never always go smoothly, shit happens - looking back at TGI, did anyone expect that freak accident to happen which lead to his arrest? Sources are people too, bad things happen on our end, we have personal lives, it is not only the consumer that takes losses or is inconvenienced.
A big thank you to those that have private messaged me, or showed support directly in this thread. It motivates me to keep doing right by the community, people like those mentioned above just make my job harder. If you have nothing useful to say, then leave it alone.
Thank you, and I love you guys (most of you guys)
,Dyna
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Instead of two separate posts I just made one long post instead. So just a heads up... 
PART 1
@ExtremePIP in all honestly I’m glad to see this situation playing out like it has... civil!
Anytime you put your time, money, heart, ect into something you care about it does become personal. I think that’s understandable to a point.
You and @SymBiotics are working on a solution.
You’re working to make things right with previous customers that are owed. That’s all that matters!
At the end of the day it’s how you conduct yourself to get things done that really matters. You’re working to get these things done so I commend you for that.
If some shit didn’t happen from time to time wouldn’t life be boring!?
PART 2
Just read your last post man and I’d just like to say stay professional. Don’t let anything or anyone effect that.
I personally want a source that’s level headed and easy to communicate with to get things done if I ever have an issue.
Stay calm and professional to your ‘haters’ as you would to your ‘supporters’.
I know things may seem to be personal and emotions get involved sometimes but try to keep feelings out of business as much as you can.
But hey, that’s just my opinion, and ya know what they say about opinions right...
PART 1
@ExtremePIP in all honestly I’m glad to see this situation playing out like it has... civil!
Anytime you put your time, money, heart, ect into something you care about it does become personal. I think that’s understandable to a point.
You and @SymBiotics are working on a solution.
You’re working to make things right with previous customers that are owed. That’s all that matters!
At the end of the day it’s how you conduct yourself to get things done that really matters. You’re working to get these things done so I commend you for that.
If some shit didn’t happen from time to time wouldn’t life be boring!?
PART 2
Just read your last post man and I’d just like to say stay professional. Don’t let anything or anyone effect that.
I personally want a source that’s level headed and easy to communicate with to get things done if I ever have an issue.
Stay calm and professional to your ‘haters’ as you would to your ‘supporters’.
I know things may seem to be personal and emotions get involved sometimes but try to keep feelings out of business as much as you can.
But hey, that’s just my opinion, and ya know what they say about opinions right...
ExtremePIP
Subscriber
Instead of two separate posts I just made one long post instead. So just a heads up...
PART 1
@ExtremePIP in all honestly I’m glad to see this situation playing out like it has... civil!
Anytime you put your time, money, heart, ect into something you care about it does become personal. I think that’s understandable to a point.
You and @SymBiotics are working on a solution.
You’re working to make things right with previous customers that are owed. That’s all that matters!
At the end of the day it’s how you conduct yourself to get things done that really matters. You’re working to get these things done so I commend you for that.
If some shit didn’t happen from time to time wouldn’t life be boring!?
PART 2
Just read your last post man and I’d just like to say stay professional. Don’t let anything or anyone effect that.
I personally want a source that’s level headed and easy to communicate with to get things done if I ever have an issue.
Stay calm and professional to your ‘haters’ as you would to your ‘supporters’.
I know things may seem to be personal and emotions get involved sometimes but try to keep feelings out of business as much as you can.
But hey, that’s just my opinion, and ya know what they say about opinions right...
thanks boldy, I always value your opinion hehe
you've been giving me opinions and ideas since the first few pages and because of you I was able to put a lot of things into effect to better my business during those good times
Yes, I thought long and hard about staying professional but I felt like it would be nice to let it out and show people of this board that yes, I Extreme Pippers is a human as well!
I think transparency and professionalism go hand in hand, haha.
much love Bolder.
Also a big thank you to @Kim , she helped my customers out while I was gone trying to figure out where I was and kept them updated. She IS my bestie and I take no issue with that. Matter of fact, many of these members are good friends and we have developed close relationships whether they were customers or not.
I feel certain @Kim will get backlash and so will I from a certain member here but that's fine. I'm here to do right by the community，no more no less.
Also, @SymBiotics and I are talking on Wickr and we have reconciled as friends as we used to be. I will continue to investigate the EQ issue, but there is no animosity between us - rather the opposite.
Thank you guys and much love,
Dyna
