Effect of HGH and peptides on people past their prime

[Wunderpus]

I'm getting a few anecdotals from my friends and they generally do not enjoy IGF-1 LR3 too much

something along the lines of "the pump is godlike but there are no long lasting effects"

That was almost ENTIRELY my experience, too. Now, if there is something to the old saying "the pump causes muscle growth", then there may be some actual benefit, right? I do think of the "pump" as a way to create new room for hypertrophy, maybe similar to site-enhancement oil, but in a much more natural way.

I really, really, liked the feeling of working out while using LR3.... However, it is expensive. I'm also concerned about it's effects with regards to insulin sensitivity...

 

[DragoT]

I want to know what it does, and if IGF-1LR3 and DES actually have any realistic application to bodybuilding/longevity?....

Good point - take for example MT2 and PT-141. Each one has been proven as of what exactly does (minus negative long term use implications which no one tested).

In China, a peptide (forgot the name) is currently a big hit because grows... eyelashes (asians tend to have very short eyelash hairs). So, such peptide was isolated and proven to work.

So... show me the evidence (besides "I am getting insane pumps")

 

[janoshik]

That was almost ENTIRELY my experience, too. Now, if there is something to the old saying "the pump causes muscle growth", then there may be some actual benefit, right? I do think of the "pump" as a way to create new room for hypertrophy, maybe similar to site-enhancement oil, but in a much more natural way.

I really, really, liked the feeling of working out while using LR3.... However, it is expensive. I'm also concerned about it's effects with regards to insulin sensitivity...

Myofascial stretching, possibly? I'm not at home with that.

I despise and ignore everything that contains word stretching

 

[Just Fish]

As @Just Fish said - we (male) care about Estradiol (E2) levels. Furthermore, it is mandatory that E2 is measured via "sensitive assay" method, at least what is highly recommended on TRT forums. I have never quite subscribed to that since the only difference between "regular" and "sensitive" is... the latter have lower detectable limit (3 pg/ml) which would be unlikely in otherwise healthy male.

The TRT mantra is - most male will feel good (but this is very subjective self-assessment) on E2 levels between 25-30 pg/ml. This is true for my self as well - when measured between 20 and 30, I don't have the "obvious" signs. E2 too low - depression, E2 too high - I am emotional like a little girl. By the way, have you noticed the majority of elderly (65 and older) man are very emotional? This is not necessarily because they are getting more wise, but because low testosterone production equates to less DHT (the main E2 antagonist) causing female hormones to run wild.

@miamifunk , on your question... as I said before, unfortunately "dialing" the levels cannot be achieved by any other means but testing (not cheap) and furthermore testing done in "scientific" manner. For example, i poopoed (sort of) my last test. While I was using Watson (50mg twice a week) 200 mg/ml for a long time, prior to my physical I shot UGL 75mg (250 mg/ml), T come back too high - above 1000 in the day of the next shot. Not too bad, but apparently was well above the day after the shot... So, now I plan to do two weeks 50mg/shot of the new suspension and go back to the lab.

If only the damn lab was closer (one hour drive on one direction), I would have measured every freaking day of the week to see the trend - there is a lot of talk about "saw tooth" pattern of T levels based on frequency and method of administration.

Bottom line, listen you body and test, test, test. Two weeks on your regular T shots and 0.25mg AI, record how you feel on journal, test Total, Free and E2, record as well. Adjust AI if you feel you need to, test after another two weeks, record and compare.

It has been a week since I started AI again and, breakouts on my back have began diminishing and did not shed a tear during the national anthem during MNF.

The reason e2 sensitive is suggested on forums is because certain compounds cause falsely high estrogen levels on the regular e2 test. Doing two shots per week there should be very minimal peaks and troughs if any especially subcutaneously

 

[Just Fish]

As @Just Fish said - we (male) care about Estradiol (E2) levels. Furthermore, it is mandatory that E2 is measured via "sensitive assay" method, at least what is highly recommended on TRT forums. I have never quite subscribed to that since the only difference between "regular" and "sensitive" is... the latter have lower detectable limit (3 pg/ml) which would be unlikely in otherwise healthy male.

The TRT mantra is - most male will feel good (but this is very subjective self-assessment) on E2 levels between 25-30 pg/ml. This is true for my self as well - when measured between 20 and 30, I don't have the "obvious" signs. E2 too low - depression, E2 too high - I am emotional like a little girl. By the way, have you noticed the majority of elderly (65 and older) man are very emotional? This is not necessarily because they are getting more wise, but because low testosterone production equates to less DHT (the main E2 antagonist) causing female hormones to run wild.

@miamifunk , on your question... as I said before, unfortunately "dialing" the levels cannot be achieved by any other means but testing (not cheap) and furthermore testing done in "scientific" manner. For example, i poopoed (sort of) my last test. While I was using Watson (50mg twice a week) 200 mg/ml for a long time, prior to my physical I shot UGL 75mg (250 mg/ml), T come back too high - above 1000 in the day of the next shot. Not too bad, but apparently was well above the day after the shot... So, now I plan to do two weeks 50mg/shot of the new suspension and go back to the lab.

If only the damn lab was closer (one hour drive on one direction), I would have measured every freaking day of the week to see the trend - there is a lot of talk about "saw tooth" pattern of T levels based on frequency and method of administration.

Bottom line, listen you body and test, test, test. Two weeks on your regular T shots and 0.25mg AI, record how you feel on journal, test Total, Free and E2, record as well. Adjust AI if you feel you need to, test after another two weeks, record and compare.

It has been a week since I started AI again and, breakouts on my back have began diminishing and did not shed a tear during the national anthem during MNF.

The testosterone you are using should be in solution. If it has particles you can see in suspension it might not be ideal for Trt

 

[DragoT]

The reason e2 sensitive is suggested on forums is because certain compounds cause falsely high estrogen levels on the regular e2 test.

Never too late to learn something new. That's I love this place (minus the occasional scuffles).

 

[DragoT]

The testosterone you are using should be in solution. If it has particles you can see in suspension it might not be ideal for Trt

Clear as a tear. No difference (compared to Watson) in terms of color, viscosity etc. I've asked - cotton seed oil...

***Correction - grape seed oil.

 

[miamifunk]

thx @drago for the advice mate

 

[DragoT]

Good morning, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Something funny happened this morning and I want to share with you. As I've mentioned, I had Hair Transplant on August 29, 2017. One of the conditions for maintaining warranty is to provide pictures of the progress at the end of every 30 day period. So I did, and after the first three updates, the office assistant replied that pictures are received and everything is on schedule.

Now, imagine my surprise when I found response from the doctor this morning to last night update. He asked me (if I don't mind) to share what vitamins/supplements I take "because the the result shown is topically achieved at six months mark" (and I do not take any).

7 days after


4 moths mark


I have not replied yet, but wandering if HGH have something to do with the fast recovery and accelerated growth.

Whatever it is, a good way to start 2018

 

[janoshik]

Good morning, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Something funny happened this morning and I want to share with you. As I've mentioned, I had Hair Transplant on August 29, 2017. One of the conditions for maintaining warranty is to provide pictures of the progress at the end of every 30 day period. So I did, and after the first three updates, the office assistant replied that pictures are received and everything is on schedule.

Now, imagine my surprise when I found response from the doctor this morning to last night update. He asked me (if I don't mind) to share what vitamins/supplements I take "because the the result shown is topically achieved at six months mark" (and I do not take any).

7 days after
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4 moths mark
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I have not replied yet, but wandering if HGH have something to do with the fast recovery and accelerated growth.

Whatever it is, a good way to start 2018

Happy New Year!

That came out absolutely great, glad to see that working out for you!

 

[master.on]

Good morning, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Something funny happened this morning and I want to share with you. As I've mentioned, I had Hair Transplant on August 29, 2017. One of the conditions for maintaining warranty is to provide pictures of the progress at the end of every 30 day period. So I did, and after the first three updates, the office assistant replied that pictures are received and everything is on schedule.

Now, imagine my surprise when I found response from the doctor this morning to last night update. He asked me (if I don't mind) to share what vitamins/supplements I take "because the the result shown is topically achieved at six months mark" (and I do not take any).

7 days after
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4 moths mark
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I have not replied yet, but wandering if HGH have something to do with the fast recovery and accelerated growth.

Whatever it is, a good way to start 2018

Great results
Maybe GH really helps, despite what doctors say

Did you dye your hair, it regrew darker, or they extracted darker hair follicles from the beginning?

 

[DragoT]

Good catch. I use "Just For Men Control GX Grey Reducing Shampoo" twice a week. After more than year and half HGH did nothing for "restoring natural hair color"... Another myth goes down in flames...

 

[Wunderpus]

Good morning, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Something funny happened this morning and I want to share with you. As I've mentioned, I had Hair Transplant on August 29, 2017. One of the conditions for maintaining warranty is to provide pictures of the progress at the end of every 30 day period. So I did, and after the first three updates, the office assistant replied that pictures are received and everything is on schedule.

Now, imagine my surprise when I found response from the doctor this morning to last night update. He asked me (if I don't mind) to share what vitamins/supplements I take "because the the result shown is topically achieved at six months mark" (and I do not take any).

7 days after
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4 moths mark
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I have not replied yet, but wandering if HGH have something to do with the fast recovery and accelerated growth.

Whatever it is, a good way to start 2018

Cool, man! Glad to see it's working out. I'm lucky and it seems like my hair is here to stay, but, you never know! I've cycled so much and ran so many DHT derivatives I'd probably know by now....

 

[Roco Bama]

My maternal and paternal grandfathers died with full heads of hair but sadly I started balding at 21. Baldness can actually skip a generation.

 

[DragoT]

You know, I am not worried at this point. Hair went it to the toilet 10-15 years ago and the horseshoe pattern did not budge (obviously Androgenic Alopecia) since, so I think whatever hairs were affected are done and gone. The rest (hopefully) will stay. The hairs they "relocated" are not affected apparently.

 

[Roco Bama]

Good morning, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Something funny happened this morning and I want to share with you. As I've mentioned, I had Hair Transplant on August 29, 2017. One of the conditions for maintaining warranty is to provide pictures of the progress at the end of every 30 day period. So I did, and after the first three updates, the office assistant replied that pictures are received and everything is on schedule.

Now, imagine my surprise when I found response from the doctor this morning to last night update. He asked me (if I don't mind) to share what vitamins/supplements I take "because the the result shown is topically achieved at six months mark" (and I do not take any).

7 days after
View attachment 82491

4 moths mark
View attachment 82492

I have not replied yet, but wandering if HGH have something to do with the fast recovery and accelerated growth.

Whatever it is, a good way to start 2018

You should also consider getting a scalp micropigmentation tattoo on your head. It'll make your small hair appear fuller.

 

[DragoT]

I did research on that too. Do you know how much this cost?!?

 

[Roco Bama]

I did research on that too. Do you know how much this cost?!?

About $ 2500-3500. I'm planning on getting it done myself

 

[DragoT]

Exactly. Compared to HT in USA, kind of make sense. However, for that price you can get the real deal in Turkey (flight + hotel + procedure). I am going back there for second procedure early April. Wife is getting nervous, i sense disturbance in the Force

 

[Roco Bama]

Exactly. Compared to HT in USA, kind of make sense. However, for that price you can get the real deal in Turkey (flight + hotel + procedure). I am going back there for second procedure early April. Wife is getting nervous, i sense disturbance in the Force

Do you mind telling me how much the hair transplant cost you. Also, you already had 5000 graft removed from the back area. Isn't that too much ?