I'll tell you what ... Give me either of the two gents you've mentioned gear source and I'd happily accept. Huge difference between gear source and supplements. BB was talking gear, not supps. Karl vs NP physiques, who you'd buy from. I comprehend what you're saying though, no need to buy from a guy because he's swole. But if a swole guy uses his own gear and a skinny guy was using his own gear, you know nothing about either. Who would you buy from? For the record ... I've never scored from NP so this isn't me vouching for him.