Enhanced Testing Database

[Spaceman Spiff]

It’s looks like @readalot and @Spaceman Spiff found there inner peace and no one had to get the last word. My eyes needed a break from so much reading. Read I don’t know how you post so much, I’d need a screen filter for my phone for the eye strain of that much screen time. These past few days have been exhausting. View attachment 312278

Eat dick @musclesiege

 

[musclesiege]

Eat dick @musclesiege

This mouth vag entry only, besides who wants cocktail weenies?

 

[musclesiege]

Eat dick @musclesiege

I bet @readalot wouldn’t tell me to eat a dick. He may ask me to comb through his 7000 messages to find the one I read months ago that I referenced but at least my mouth wouldn’t be violated. Read>Space

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I bet @readalot wouldn’t tell me to eat a dick. He may ask me to comb through his 7000 messages to find the one I read months ago that I referenced but at least my mouth wouldn’t be violated. Read>Space

Good, now you can stroke eachother while you are hitting quote on each other's "articles"

 

[iris]

All's s well that ends well, then.

 

[Millard]

We all have personal experiences(or should have) in a workplace or team based environment. Nobody wants to work with someone who cannot behave properly.

If someone I didn't want to work with invited me to go to the office and work on a project voluntarily on my own time, I wouldn't do it either.

I don't know if I'd even respond to the invitation. Maybe I'd send them a courtesy message to politely decline.

You know what I wouldn't do?

I wouldn't get up early and go to the office to deliver the message in person. And I certainly wouldn't stick around all day telling them how much I disliked working with them. And accompanying them to their appointments all day interfering with their work? Definitely, not.

Why all that effort?

If I supported the project but just didn't like working them, I wouldn't do this.

If I supported the project but just didn't want to put in the work, I wouldn't do this.

If I didn't support the project and wanted to thwart it, I would do this.

 

[Millard]

You don't need to work together tho... Just need to not work against and ignore eachother. Wouldn't that be just great?

Totally agree. Top fucking post, my man.

I don't see the harm of setting @readalot loose all by himself to hold sources accountable in the sources' respective threads.

He can pressure the sources to do the specific testing that he wants done. The sources can agree. They can disagree. And they can also explain and defend their decisions what ever they may be.

Why does anyone else need to answer on behalf of the sources or otherwise give them reasons not to perform additional analytical testing? That is on them.

Why would anyone want to give the sources an easy way out for addressing this question?

So many people complain that there are not enough people doing their part to hold sources accountable. And they are right to call out all the members who are consistently and aggressively defending and running interference for sources from consumer complaints/criticisms.

If people don't want to help pressure sources to do these additional analytical tests, that is fine. Don't thwart others' efforts.

If sources don't want to do additional analytical tests, that is fine. Don't answer on their behalf.

Allow the sources to answer/explain decisions. And the sources can be held directly accountable for them.

Doesn't this seem reasonable?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

addressing this question?

So many people complain that there are not enough people doing their part to hold sources accountable. And they are right to call out all the members who are consistently and aggressively defending and running interference for sources from consumer complaints/criticisms.

You are right. Not many people are holding the sources accountable. We can see that with some of the big market people who have entered the forum while they protect giant sources. Don't test products, assume it's all good to go.

I just feel like this is the complete opposite direction of those people and he is an "advanced troll".

-The fact he came here wanting to "gold name" or title.he was drooling at this when he first came ...

-The fact he is not a UGL user. He hasn't used any products himself.

-If he truly wanted to ensure safe product, why wouldn't he order it and test what he has on hand as well? He has been here for over a year. Why would he not submit any testing from himself?

-I'm sure legality is a concern for him right? If so, then why even look at the illegal market if so?

-His whole presence of why he is here doesn't make sense to me.

-Constantly window shopping... "I may, possibly one, day, not really inject a vial of UGL test"

So are his motives harm reduction? Or is it simply because he is bored/is an " advanced troll"?


In the end, it doesn't matter. Just wanted to tell you why a majority of us don't care for him.

I still don't think his enhanced testing will do much, other than date collection. But overall, we hate the messenger.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Why all that effort?

Just to be frank.


Maybe it's cause I'm just being a moron and feeding the troll

 

[RandallFlagg]

You are right. Not many people are holding the sources accountable. We can see that with some of the big market people who have entered the forum while they protect giant sources. Don't test products, assume it's all good to go.

I just feel like this is the complete opposite direction of those people and he is an "advanced troll".

-The fact he came here wanting to "gold name" or title.he was drooling at this when he first came ...

-The fact he is not a UGL user. He hasn't used any products himself.

-If he truly wanted to ensure safe product, why wouldn't he order it and test what he has on hand as well? He has been here for over a year. Why would he not submit any testing from himself?

-I'm sure legality is a concern for him right? If so, then why even look at the illegal market if so?

-His whole presence of why he is here doesn't make sense to me.

-Constantly window shopping... "I may, possibly one, day, not really inject a vial of UGL test"

So are his motives harm reduction? Or is it simply because he is bored/is an " advanced troll"?


In the end, it doesn't matter. Just wanted to tell you why a majority of us don't care for him.

I still don't think his enhanced testing will do much, other than date collection. But overall, we hate the messenger.

Your testing and OTHER contributions to the board have previously lead me to believe that you are acting in good faith.

However, when it comes to Readalot AND you....you two are each other's KRYPTONITE for some reason...and you both lose your ever-loving minds.

This is where IGNORE might be better than DMs...I was wrong previously...lol.

I suspect you two were mortal enemies in a previous life and you each sense it through the Internet connection (Ive seen the two of you post the most irrational attacks at each other specifically...I'm only being half-facetious about this).

Truthfully it may just all boil down to the old history you guys have to get that i was not present for. I think you guys both need to take a step back and either IGNORE (like forever...forever, eva...) OR stop jumping to the conclusion that everything is a troll move.

Nothing Readalot has done in the past year has seemed like being a troll to me (a relative newcomer). Abrasive and blunt? Often, yes (though up to this point, I had only seen persistent messaging to get his questions answered.

I'm not some arbiter of internet justice...lol. But I was quick to try and acknowledge when he was going off the rails in this thread...for what I interpret to be the first time in a while.

We all deserve the grace to be given more chances... especially when he is clearly come from a place of good intention in my estimation (even if the message comes across as narcissistic to some...I just don't see it that way at all).

1.) He is CLEARLY an AAS user...looking to expand to UGL before he gets too old to blast...he has clearly stated this...lol.

2.) He is clearly meticulous about what he uses.

3.) He is clearly hoping to be cautious with the legal side of what he uses.

Truthfully, his approach has reminded me to be less cavalier about what I use and experiment with that is accessible on this site...oils and peptides and pharma included. For that, I am eternally greatful (none of that was accomplished anything other than him "spamming" the boards../preaching his message no matter how it it interpreted).

I still hope for a future where you two can co-exist even if it's not in friendship but in the mutual spirit of harm reduction.

 

[Zebedee]

You are right. Not many people are holding the sources accountable. We can see that with some of the big market people who have entered the forum while they protect giant sources. Don't test products, assume it's all good to go.

I just feel like this is the complete opposite direction of those people and he is an "advanced troll".

-The fact he came here wanting to "gold name" or title.he was drooling at this when he first came ...

-The fact he is not a UGL user. He hasn't used any products himself.

-If he truly wanted to ensure safe product, why wouldn't he order it and test what he has on hand as well? He has been here for over a year. Why would he not submit any testing from himself?

-I'm sure legality is a concern for him right? If so, then why even look at the illegal market if so?

-His whole presence of why he is here doesn't make sense to me.

-Constantly window shopping... "I may, possibly one, day, not really inject a vial of UGL test"

So are his motives harm reduction? Or is it simply because he is bored/is an " advanced troll"?


In the end, it doesn't matter. Just wanted to tell you why a majority of us don't care for him.

I still don't think his enhanced testing will do much, other than date collection. But overall, we hate the messenger.

I’ve been here 5 & 1/2 years. In that time I have not bought anything from a Meso vendor & my UGL use has been minuscule - probably a couple of vials each of Mast & NPP & maybe 2-3 short duration blasts of my own homebrew orals.

In short, I’ve used most AAS in my time, but the majority of my gear used is pharma test & it’s been that way since I first started gear in the early 2000’s.

I’ve never mentioned what UGL labs or sources I’ve used - for similar reasons to @BigTomJ has stated he doesn’t either.

I’ve never even used crypto to buy gear - I’ve never needed to.

I tested gear many years ago during the old SRCS days, but have never used Jano et al, so haven’t ever posted testing.

I don’t post much or regularly, but I try to do my bit towards harm reduction by holding sources (that I don’t use) to account to help the community. I’ve taken my fair share of shit whilst doing this - eg I am the original victim of Tracy’s “eat dog shit alone” insult that had brought so much joy & entertainment to his sycophants -“Lol Tracy, you’re so funny Lol” - no fucking way that would have been seen as acceptable by the majority of the active Meso members base when I first joined, but I digress.

I’m also the “anonymous donor” to the group effort Readalot is organising to obtain a reference standard that Jano can use to see whether impurities could be giving false HPLC positives for Test E/C. I am sceptical of how valid some aspects of ET can be, but I think this is a very worthwhile community project - BUT one which will not actually benefit me personally because I don’t use UGL Test E or C.

In short, I’m most certainly not the average or typical active Meso member & by your arguments above, have very little “skin in the game” - do you think I should also stop participating in Underground discussion in general & UGL in particular?

Rhetorical Q BTW, although obviously you’re free to comment. My point here is that I don’t think it’s in the community’s interest for anyone to start arguing for any type of entry requirements for members to participate in discussions about sources, testing & harm reduction. The one exception here is I’m firmly against members advising (eg doses / durations etc) on compounds they have no personal experience with, but that’s an entirely different matter to this & not something Readalot has ever done AFAIK.

 

[musclesiege]

I don't see the harm of setting @readalot loose all by himself to hold sources accountable in the sources' respective threads.

He can pressure the sources to do the specific testing that he wants done. The sources can agree. They can disagree. And they can also explain and defend their decisions what ever they may be.

Why does anyone else need to answer on behalf of the sources or otherwise give them reasons not to perform additional analytical testing? That is on them.

Why would anyone want to give the sources an easy way out for addressing this question?

So many people complain that there are not enough people doing their part to hold sources accountable. And they are right to call out all the members who are consistently and aggressively defending and running interference for sources from consumer complaints/criticisms.

If people don't want to help pressure sources to do these additional analytical tests, that is fine. Don't thwart others' efforts.

If sources don't want to do additional analytical tests, that is fine. Don't answer on their behalf.

Allow the sources to answer/explain decisions. And the sources can be held directly accountable for them.

Doesn't this seem reasonable?

Yes it does. Whether or not one thinks the result is worth the effort aside he’s not hurting the community with his quest, Godspeed. It seems the issue is just the sheer quantity of posts, being in every thread, knowing everything without ever trying anything himself, the ego stroking and self quoting, and actively seeking status. He’s helpful at times with his recommendations, he doesn’t take feedback, and his delivery is not the best. It seems those above detractors rub some the wrong way and it feels like when they are vocal they are dismissed by the readalot gang as trolls or have conflicts of interest. On the flip side there are some who won’t engage in dialogue and just name call.
What doesn’t help is the double standard. Read can lose it, which he normally does well in discourse, and result to name calling and no ban not that I want him banned just consistency. Others have come on this thread and called read a name out of the blue and banned. Shoot Ghoul came on lost it immediately and started saying f you and your whore mom blah blah, no ban but some user called read a c word and instant ban. Hard to argue the favoritism volume posters get.